Ready for Win 11 or not....?

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This has appeared on my Win Updates GUI
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I think I recall similar when W10 was offered from my W7 and eventually 'it was ready' :) So none too sure if the same will happen..................I have yet to "Get PC Health Check" to see what it reports :LOL:

PS yes, I have not bothered yet to install the W10 v 21H1 update as I could see little of benefit in the info about it ;)
 
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They're being fussier this time, especially about security chips:
www.theverge.com

Why Windows 11 is forcing everyone to use TPM chips

You probably already have one, but it may not be enabled.
www.theverge.com www.theverge.com
If that's the issue, it may not be possible to add one to your existing system without a major upgrade, like swapping the motherboard.
 
Retune said:
They're being fussier this time, especially about security chips:
www.theverge.com

Why Windows 11 is forcing everyone to use TPM chips

You probably already have one, but it may not be enabled.
www.theverge.com www.theverge.com
If that's the issue, it may not be possible to add one to your existing system without a major upgrade, like swapping the motherboard.
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Well, subject to what the W11 checker tells me, it may be my CPU and/or the motherboard. The CPU is a 1st Gen i5 Quad core and the board is a P55 Gigabyte with Dual BIOS I think both are circa 2009/10 ?
 
I have just checked mine, laptop is OK but the desktop does not have the TPM chip and the CPU is not supported so I and I suspect a lot of others will be sticking with Win 10 as I am not buying a new PC .
How this will go down in the commercial world is anyone's guess.
 
Some PC`s just need a BIOS update but its a real pain since it can break a PC doing that i think
 
Yep mines ready.
 
Well I have run the checker and now uninstalled as no longer required ;)

This is what I have learned:-
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So I am with @troutfisher I will get along until MS puts W10 into EoL phase :thinking:


PS re W10 21H1, as mentioned when I looked at what 21H1 had, it seemed very limited but in general for an optional "feature update" is it worth doing for what they don't say e.g. any security etc under the hood???
 
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There is a way out ! ditch windows and go for Linux loads of flavours and is known to work on some seriously old tech 10/15 years. I've had about 8 years from this laptop already.
 
I've used Linux for 15 years or more and have always found suitable software but I do take your point that if you are used to certain Windows programs and want to use them then your stuffed ! I don't think if you went the other way around that problem is quite as bad but saying that I've never tried it !
 
I'll be sticking to Windows 10.

Not happy that Windows 11 has inbuilt ET phone home and you have to have a Microsnot account to use it. Everything I need and will need in the future runs happily on 10 so no real need to upgrade.
 
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Retune said:
In 4 years they will stop supporting Windows 10, so there will no longer be security updates:
docs.microsoft.com

Windows 10 Home and Pro - Microsoft Lifecycle

Windows 10 Home and Pro follows the Modern Lifecycle Policy.
docs.microsoft.com
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To be fair I still run some machines on XP so I'm not worried about end of life.
Most average people don't have to worry about security updates. It's corporate and business users that need the added security. But yes your correct at some point updates will run out.
My main machine is an AMD Ryzen 9 based system so would have no problems coping with 11 but I just wish these big companies would give better options for not needing the cloud based stuff for personal use.
 
BADGER.BRAD said:
I've used Linux for 15 years or more and have always found suitable software but I do take your point that if you are used to certain Windows programs and want to use them then your stuffed ! I don't think if you went the other way around that problem is quite as bad but saying that I've never tried it !
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There is borderline adequate software available under Linux, but not the software most of us would choose to use. I started using Linux (mandrake IIRC) in the early 2000s and still have a Linux box, but while it's excellent for general use, it is not always ideal for specialist usage.

I have no desire to jump to W11, but will do so at some stage. My laptop won't take it, but the processing base unit will.
 
We all need to be secure. Getting ransomware or something can be as damaging for an individual as a company. I wouldn't use XP on the internet these days. I don't think any current secure mainstream browser will even run on it, and the OS itself opens up many other avenues of attack. But I wonder if the new requirements for W11 will be counterproductive. How many people will stay insecurely on W10 or earlier because their (relatively recent) system can't be updated?

I use both Windows and Linux at work. Most of the hardcore software I use professionally happens to be written for Linux (though it can generally be made to run on Windows if necessary, especially now we have things like WSL). But that won't be true for many people. Anyone who needs to use the 'advanced' features of Office is stuck with Windows. Photographers have a pretty limited choice of editing software on Linux, usually Gimp and DarkTable or RawTherapee. Gamers are pretty much out in the cold. And there are any number of specialised packages essential for various jobs that have never been ported to Linux.
 
I checked today and my desktop PC will run W11 but not the laptop. It's a 2 year old HP 250 G6 with an i5-7200U CPU - processor not supported :(

Looks like I'll be sticking with W10 for a while as I'm not keen on having to work with two operating systems, no matter how closely related they are.
 
I can run it on my PC. But am gonna wait until most of the early bugs are ironed out, and drivers for everything else are updated.
 
I don't think any of my three will go on it with present rules, they don't like the processor and the oldest one can't do that TMP thing it's just not there.
 
Paulie-W said:
I can run it on my PC. But am gonna wait until most of the early bugs are ironed out, and drivers for everything else are updated.
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Exactly what in going to do. Give it a month or so and all the major bugs will be sorted.
 
For those who haven’t got a TPM chip, it may be worth checking your BIOS settings as some boards have them but are disabled from the factory. Different manufacturers call them different things, so may not necessarily say TPM anywhere so a quick google for your board may be worth it.

Also, if you’re installing from scratch you can install Windows 11 without a TPM 2.0 chip apparently, Microsoft are just saying that some of the security updates won’t be installed for you. The in place upgrades don’t go through however.

I did upgrade my work laptop yesterday to see how it was. Install was quick and so far so good. The fonts and menus remind me of Kubuntu, which I do like so that’s a pleasant experience. Time will tell how I get on with it :D
 
Got the TPM 2.0 security chip, but my i5-7400 CPU isn't on the approved list.
Looks like W10 until 2025 for me, bound to have bought a new PC by then anyway.

Ironic that Microsoft is banning some CPU's that are in products currently for sale from them.
 
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I bought a laptop on this forum which I updated to windows 11 yesterday. Seems to work rather smoothly. I haven't really used Windows since 7, even my VMs etc were Windows 7.

Hopefully 11 will win me back ;)
 
Need to check our Win10 laptop, but as it's less than a year old I'll be annoyed if it can't support the upgrade.

We have 2 macc and a Linux machine in the house too. The Linux (Raspberry Pi) runs most of my amateur radio stuff.
 
ChrisH said:
To be fair I still run some machines on XP so I'm not worried about end of life.
Most average people don't have to worry about security updates. It's corporate and business users that need the added security. But yes your correct at some point updates will run out.
My main machine is an AMD Ryzen 9 based system so would have no problems coping with 11 but I just wish these big companies would give better options for not needing the cloud based stuff for personal use.
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Well, *technically* if you have anybody else's personal data on your machine then it could be considered an automatic GDPR breach if you use an OS beyond end of life - there was a lot of fuss about this when Win7 went EOL.

www.pcnetsolutions.co.uk

Staying on Windows 7 could be a GDPR breach - PC Net

A number of businesses along with other groups and organisations have fallen foul of the GDPR laws which came into effect last year - but did you know that operating on obsolete PCs or servers could constitute a breach of data regulations? The Independent Commissioner’s Office (ICO), the UK’s...
www.pcnetsolutions.co.uk www.pcnetsolutions.co.uk

But yeah - my 18 month old PC can't run Win10 at the moment and if it could I wouldn't be upgrading for a while anyway. There's talk in the trade press about MS relaxing the TPM thing a bit soon.

BTW if you think GDPR don't really fine people this is always fun - https://www.enforcementtracker.com/ - the scary thing is not the big fines, it's the small ones. A bar owner in Spain just got fined 3K for

Non-compliance with general data processing principles
 
andy1868 said:
For those who haven’t got a TPM chip, it may be worth checking your BIOS settings as some boards have them but are disabled from the factory. Different manufacturers call them different things, so may not necessarily say TPM anywhere so a quick google for your board may be worth it.

Also, if you’re installing from scratch you can install Windows 11 without a TPM 2.0 chip apparently, Microsoft are just saying that some of the security updates won’t be installed for you. The in place upgrades don’t go through however.

I did upgrade my work laptop yesterday to see how it was. Install was quick and so far so good. The fonts and menus remind me of Kubuntu, which I do like so that’s a pleasant experience. Time will tell how I get on with it :D
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I drilled into my hardware to check about TPM and found that there are/were two variations of my motherboard, one with & one without a TPM chip....................yes, you guessed mine is the one without :LOL:

However, if I had the TPM chipped one there is a Gigabyte program called "Smart TPM" to actually configure it.

So, I can see millions of PC's currently happily running Windows 10 that are incompatible for various(?) reasons with Win11 and even if MS relax the TPM function requirement there are still CPU impacts.

As W10 is being retired (from getting bi-annual updates in Oct 2025) that will be a likely crunch point where the software writers will get on board with "you need the newest hardware/software to run our next version"

So, in part due to the age of this rig I will likely be building or buying another one in a few years time :)
 
Box Brownie said:
I drilled into my hardware to check about TPM and found that there are/were two variations of my motherboard, one with & one without a TPM chip....................yes, you guessed mine is the one without :LOL:
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I'm trying to work out why I should need a tyre pressure monitor on my computer... :thinking: :coat:
 
Mine can run Windows 11 apparently :)

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Is it any good is the question

Les :)
 
AndrewFlannigan said:
I'm trying to work out why I should need a tyre pressure monitor on my computer... :thinking: :coat:
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Yup, acronyms are great.........I always wondered why a computer needed a Colonic Purging Unit and that Registered Authorisation Manager let alone an Hydraulic Drain Device but what the heck is an SSD :thinking: :exit:
 
Why do you need a TPM chip for w11 what will windoze do with this that it didn't before ? ( A genuine question) It seems like Microsoft is in league with the manufactures to keep you buying new stuff ! I must admit now days I'm just a general computer user so all the Linux flavors work well for me and are generally more secure out of the box than Windows and work ten times fast on my old kit. When I was an electronic service engineer/Radio Ham? hobby electronics builder ( and younger) I had more of an interest in how it all worked, Now I just want it to work and work cheaply so as I can spend my money on things I now enjoy. Anyway from what friends who are Windows users have told me in the past leave any new version for at least a year while the iron out all the faults that always occur.
 
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Just checked what a TPM chip is , it seems like a waste of time when Google know more about you than you do if you haven't been protecting yourself. Will it stop device/browser fingerprinting,cookies, hide your ip address that all these companies use to track you ?
 
I was looking at my PC, I believe I have a TPM chip, I have used the windowspchealthcheck software and apparently win 11 not available because my intel core i7-7700HQ is not supported?
Is that something that might change in the futur or not?
 
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