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Maybe you don't see it as a 'commercial orgy' because you have nothing to compare it too.
Well yeah, I have in the past left Edinburgh. I once visit that there London....
Maybe you don't see it as a 'commercial orgy' because you have nothing to compare it too.
It's still very unusual for shops to be open on a Sunday in Germany and to a lesser degree France
people who work all day expect services to be available to them when they're not at work which I don't think is unreasonable.
I consider it very unreasonable if the folk who man those services are expected to work unsociable hours
So you never eat out? Drink in a bar past 6 in the evening? Get public transport outside of "business hours"? Why are services people expected to work some of the most unsocial hours but retail is sacrosanct?
Why are services people expected to work some of the most unsocial hours but retail is sacrosanct?
** Public transport would not be required on a Sunday for example ( it wasn't always available)!) if it wasn't for having to get to work or a want to go Sunday shopping…..Something that the poor bus/tran driver can't do cos he's commited to serve our selfishness..
Retail is not an everyday necessity….
So I'm not allowed to visit my gran on the other side of the city unless I'm willing to walk two hours each way or drive? I must be able to able bodied enough to get around on foot/bicycle or drive or spend Sunday confined to my house or garden?
I don't think I mentioned an expectation for services to only be available 9 to 5.nor is going to a restaurant or a bar but we would find it inconceivable if they were only open business hours.
Even when the Sunday trading laws were in operation many people worked "unsociable" hours as part of their normal employment. Far from it being limited to the emergency services, 24/7 was a feature of railways, postal delivery, the telphone service, TV and radio, newspaper production and distribution, various manufacturing industries (I worked a 24 hour / 7 day shift system in the 1970s), agriculture, fishing - the list is extensive. The idea that British workers worked 9-5 for 5 days a week is a myth.because ou were tied to unsociable hours of work?
My dissagreement is the expectations of Joe blogs wanting just about everything available at any given moment regardless of the effects on family life and indeed health ( 12 hour shifts and night shifts are not good for ones health!)
IIRC you have a young family?...….Does it / would it not bother you if you were to find that you are unable to attend school plays etc etc because ou were tied to unsociable hours of work?
Dammit, all the village retailers are closed ...The earliest one to reopen will be at 3pm .
not everyone cares if they're scheduled to work on a Sunday.
my company is shut at the weekends.
. Its your choice to live in a village
Edit 6000th post and its an argument
Even when the Sunday trading laws were in operation many people worked "unsociable" hours as part of their normal employment. Far from it being limited to the emergency services, 24/7 was a feature of railways, postal delivery, the telphone service, TV and radio, newspaper production and distribution, various manufacturing industries (I worked a 24 hour / 7 day shift system in the 1970s), agriculture, fishing - the list is extensive. The idea that British workers worked 9-5 for 5 days a week is a myth.
as I've already metioned….Until having to work that Sunday interferes with their scial / family life!
And hopefully that allows you to have quality time, undisturbed by your employer, with your family.
I prefer to see it more as a "refusal to back down" on your part rather than an argument.
You're right the list is endless and I'm one of those people that work in the tv industry so I know all about unsociable hours, as do farmers fishermen etc but it's not a race to the bottom. We already work the longest hours in Europe often for a poor return. What I'm saying is that shops don't need to open for that long and I'm not saying I don't use them but if Tesco wasn't open at 3 in the morning when I'm on my way home from work I'd just wait for them to be open the next day or be more prepared.Even when the Sunday trading laws were in operation many people worked "unsociable" hours as part of their normal employment. Far from it being limited to the emergency services, 24/7 was a feature of railways, postal delivery, the telphone service, TV and radio, newspaper production and distribution, various manufacturing industries (I worked a 24 hour / 7 day shift system in the 1970s), agriculture, fishing - the list is extensive. The idea that British workers worked 9-5 for 5 days a week is a myth.
if Tesco wasn't open at 3 in the morning when I'm on my way home from work I'd just wait for them to be open the next day or be more prepared.
I agree. I learnt a lot from my Saturday and holiday jobs. It’s quite different in a commercial environment to being at school.I've always maintained that, on leaving school/college/uni, people should be made to work for at least 6 months in a shop… that way they might just learn how to behave when they go into one as a customer!
Wasn't there a large store in the centre of Edinburgh that was closed on Saturdays as the owner was Jewish and he refused to do business on that day? Think it was in the 70s that it closed...Must just be what you are used to.
Like I said Sunday has been a pretty normal day in Scotland (at least the heathen lowlands) for as long as I can remember and society hasn't collapsed into a commercial orgy, well no more than the rest of the UK.
Aye, world famous Goldbergs. Probably the only shop of its type in Edinburgh too. Late 80s they went.Wasn't there a large store in the centre of Edinburgh that was closed on Saturdays as the owner was Jewish and he refused to do business on that day? Think it was in the 70s that it closed...
Late 80s they went
cos they refused to open 24/7
I never said a word!
I love Film & Conventional...
where else in the forum will a bland "have you tried xxx shop" turn into a discussion on the nature of celebrity and once again into the changing face of retail and all-week-round trading.
you don't get that in the rest of the forum - which is why I spend my recreational use forum-time here (playing whack-a-mole with ruskie e-book spammers or knocking heads in classifieds doesn't count as recreational, believe me...)
don't ever change guys.
Mark I think we need a public service from you, since you're out there anyway you could report back on interesting threads
could report back on interesting threads
Bored with this one?;
Hmmm best think of another way towind you upadd some exitement to it then
I wonder if they close for lunch
If the entry doors refuse to open when you get there then…......you'll have to go put extra monies into the parking meter, thenkill some time by occupying yourself with other retail therapy in outlets that are open, have a meal and something to drink then return after lunch to fall in love with a lens that you can ill afford cos you're skint!
Sorry John, I have a strange humour