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I have a trip to Austria coming up later this year, and will be taking loads of photos in raw. I won't be able to take a laptop with me, but will have my iPad.

I expect to have more pictures than I do card storage space, so need a way to down/up-load them and have them when I get home. The iPad doesn't have enough storage space for all of them.

More CF cards would be an obvious answer, but I'd need several, and have no use for them at home, so am reluctant to spend out for those.

Flickr's no use because I can't upload raw files to that. I have Dropbox, and think that may be my best option as the iPad uploads the whole raw file to it, and they'll automatically download to my Mac at home if I leave it on, but wondered if anyone else had a simple solution to this problem?
 
If you expect to have more files than will fit on your cards then you will need a paid for version of Dropbox. You only get 2GB free when you first sign up, so only a fraction of 1 card.

You could also look at Box.net. A while ago you use to get 50GB free when you signed up, don't know what the current limits are though. There is an ipad version and you can upload whatever you want.
 
Cheers Vaughan. I have 55 GB on Dropbox, with only 18% used, so that won't be a problem.

I did think I could only upload one file at a time using the Dropbox app, which, apart from data costs which might be extensive if I can't find wifi, was my main reason for wanting another solution, but I've just tested it and I can select as many files as I want and upload them in one go.

So as long as I can get reasonable data costs, or the apartment we're renting has wifi, I think I'm good to go :)
 
Hmm. Data roaming on my 3G network costs £1.28 per MB, so about £9.60 per photo! I won't be doing that!

So I need wifi or a locally bought SIM card I guess.
 
i kno wnothing about dropbox, but there is an app for the ipad which i have yet to try called Photogene apparently that has ftp built in, you may be able to ftp to dropbox or another plan?

I have my hosting webspace which is 150gb, so i`m hoping i may be able to configure that to upload from ipad to that, but i haven`t had the time to try it yet.
 
Buy some cheap high capacity SD cards. Copy from CF to ipad to review photos, delete unwanted ones. Transfer keepers from ipad onto cheap SD cards. Sell SD cards when you get home.
 
Cheers John, but you can't copy from an iPad directly to an SD card, even with the camera connection kit.

In normal circumstances you wouldn't need to - the iPad is a cloud computing device - it's just that the cost of accessing the cloud when abroad is extortionate!
 
Southdowns said:
I expect to have more pictures than I do card storage space, so need a way to down/up-load them and have them when I get home. The iPad doesn't have enough storage space for all of them.

More CF cards would be an obvious answer, but I'd need several, and have no use for them at home, so am reluctant to spend out for those.
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Why not just get a pile of cf cards purchased then sell them on here once you are done, i have a couple of cards here id be willing to lend you also if your not away any time soon.
 
Ok i have an 8gb sandisk extreme and a 4gb sandisk ultra your welcome to loan as ive sold my 5dmk2 and im waiting to purchase another in a few months.
 
That's very kind of you Derek, thanks!! I'm not away until September, but if I don't solve it another way, and if it's still OK by then, I might just take you up on that offer!!
 
Thats not a problem just let me know, i should have a pile more cards by then too if i get a new camera. Just Pm me when needed ;)
 
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150GB webspace sounds massive! How much does that cost?
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Hosting with godaddy in America and I use filezilla to transfer to and from, not a webspace as we know it with a nice frontend but a good price think I pay £70 a year and people pay me to host their websites on it, plus I have 2or3 websites of my own happy days
 
Philx1979 said:
Hosting with godaddy in America and I use filezilla to transfer to and from, not a webspace as we know it with a nice frontend but a good price think I pay £70 a year and people pay me to host their websites on it, plus I have 2or3 websites of my own happy days
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you sure youre allowed to do that? quick look at go daddy terms say no commercial usage.

they also say you cant use it to store files. i suspect most hosts will say the same regarding file storage.
 
Philx1979 said:
Hosting with godaddy in America and I use filezilla to transfer to and from, not a webspace as we know it with a nice frontend but a good price think I pay £70 a year and people pay me to host their websites on it, plus I have 2or3 websites of my own happy days
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Probably be taken down if/when they cotton on, so hopefully you are not relying on it as your only backup.
 
If you get extra cards you would always be able to sell off the unwanted ones here when you got back - either that or get some sort of imagetank device.
 
Cheers Gramps. Yes, more CF cards was my backup plan. I did also have a look at Imagetank and similar, but they're very expensive for what will probably be a one off or at best very occasional use.

But, problem solved; the apartment we're renting has free wifi. Dropbox becomes the perfect solution then, because not only will the images be saved on their server, but will also automatically download to TWO computers at home, each of which is also automatically backed up, so by the time I get home my images will be safely stored in 5 different locations!
 
neil_g said:
you sure youre allowed to do that? quick look at go daddy terms say no commercial usage.

they also say you cant use it to store files. i suspect most hosts will say the same regarding file storage.
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Commercial? who said friends are commercial?
 
Ploddles said:
Probably be taken down if/when they cotton on, so hopefully you are not relying on it as your only backup.
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What they are going to take down my webspace because i upload some images to it? yeah nice one.

And no its not a backup, they are there for a website, did i not mention that?

The QP wants to now how to send images home and you can use a webspace for that.

And for the record i`ve had it for the last 4 years, not breached any rules yet, sorry fellas for ruining your little rule books
 
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Philx1979 said:
Commercial? who said friends are commercial?
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reselling webspace would be commercial ;)

Philx1979 said:
What they are going to take down my webspace because i upload some images to it? yeah nice one.

And no its not a backup, they are there for a website, did i not mention that?

The QP wants to now how to send images home and you can use a webspace for that.

And for the record i`ve had it for the last 4 years, not breached any rules yet, sorry fellas for ruining your little rule books
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no you cant, godaddy states you cannot use it for storage.

its not my rulebook, its godaddys. if they ever catch you then i guess theyll terminate your account without warning like most hosts do if you break their terms ;)
 
but you can use it for storage of images, where the hell do you put images for your website if you cannot STORE them on your webspace? you tell me?

Once again i am not reselling webspace as my friends have a website on my plan, no different then helping a mate out for a little cash, as godaddy states, multiple website are allowed, they also state the word STORAGE alot.

Report me if it makes you feel, better

end of, not wasting anymore time talking about this.

Hopefully the OP has sorted out a resolution now.
 
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Do Sony's have a compressed raw file like Canon's sRaw, where you can save a bit of storage space? Personally, I'd just buy some new cards - 8GB cards are cheap as chips and you'll get a shedload of images on them..... with 10mp you'll get over 400 shots on one 8GB card. I use the Sandisk 60mbps (£30) but you can get Kingston and Transcend ones for well under £15 each off amazon. Think of it as a holiday expense :)

Why to look into one of those portable storage devices like what Canon and Epson offered? Stick your card in, save to the device and clear card.
 
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neil_g said:
reselling webspace would be commercial ;)



no you cant, godaddy states you cannot use it for storage.

its not my rulebook, its godaddys. if they ever catch you then i guess theyll terminate your account without warning like most hosts do if you break their terms ;)
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Any chance you can back these statements up with some actual T&Cs from GoDaddy as they are worthless otherwise. As for the commercial arrangement that is easy to argue by saying they paid for the design and the hosting is part of Philx1979's portfolio and done by him at his own benefit and expense.

Anyway back on topic, I have used DropBox and it is not bad, you even get more storage if you refer others.
 
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Any chance you can back these statements up with some actual T&Cs from GoDaddy as they are worthless otherwise. As for the commercial arrangement that is easy to argue by saying they paid for the design and the hosting is part of Philx1979's portfolio and done by him at his own benefit and expense.

Anyway back on topic, I have used DropBox and it is not bad, you even get more storage if you refer others.
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Godaddy.com click legal, select web hosting terms
 
Philx1979 said:
but you can use it for storage of images, where the hell do you put images for your website if you cannot STORE them on your webspace? you tell me?

Once again i am not reselling webspace as my friends have a website on my plan, no different then helping a mate out for a little cash, as godaddy states, multiple website are allowed, they also state the word STORAGE alot.

Report me if it makes you feel, better

end of, not wasting anymore time talking about this.

Hopefully the OP has sorted out a resolution now.
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Wind it in, I'm just pointing out that your account could be shut down. And storage of files and having them online as part of a we page are two different things.
 
neil_g said:
Godaddy.com click legal, select web hosting terms
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lol nice:clap:

I think your getting it wrong pal, nothing wrong with hosting image files, i think you`ll find they are referring to files such as music, videos etc that people might try and fileshare to others.
 
Philx1979 said:
lol nice:clap:

I think your getting it wrong pal, nothing wrong with hosting image files, i think you`ll find they are referring to files such as music, videos etc that people might try and fileshare to others.
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Well it's not rocket science to find the terms :lol:

From what I remember reading earlier it just said file archive storage, which this is albeit temporary, it didn't say what type.

But anyway you're not interested so let's leave it there.
 
Just phoned the support team to clear this up once and for all.

Can indeed upload as many images as you want on your hosting plan, for either website use or backups, the only files they are concerned about are music, videos etc that may be linked on websites, which obv goes without saying.

Websites: i can have as many as i want, if i host websites as a business then obv this is not the right thing to do, but you can host away with friends sites etc.

Their number is 0207 979 2661

Glad thats cleared it up
 
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Philx1979 said:
Just phoned the support team to clear this up once and for all.

Can indeed upload as many images as you want on your hosting plan, for either website use or backups, the only files they are concerned about are music, videos etc that may be linked on websites, which obv goes without saying.

Websites: i can have as many as i want, if i host websites as a business then obv this is not the right thing to do, but you can host away with friends sites etc.

Their number is 0207 979 2661

Glad thats cleared it up
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That's good to hear I'm glad you cleared that up because their terms obviously could have been taken differently
 
Philx1979 said:
Hosting with godaddy in America and I use filezilla to transfer to and from, not a webspace as we know it with a nice frontend but a good price think I pay £70 a year and people pay me to host their websites on it, plus I have 2or3 websites of my own happy days
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Philx1979 said:
Commercial? who said friends are commercial?
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Who got out of bed on the wrong side today?:shrug: Wind your neck in.

You said commercial in one of your previous posts "people pay me to host their websites"
 
Are you going to need EVERY image you shoot when away in raw? I only shoot raw but i only tend to shoot planned images so rarely hit 200 in a session. When im away i will shoot jpigs to save on space as i know not every image will be needing the full works treatment. However, when i see an image that makes me chimp (ooh and ahhh) i will switch to raw for the chimp shot. But its all dependant on what's planned for the images, if its nothin more than a slide show on a digital photo frame when you get back then downsize. If your shooting an ad campaign or something in a business sense then go out and buy more cards!
If you were shooting film you wouldn't be able to say "that's it! no more photos im out of film"
You'd look like a chump.
 
Ploddles said:
Who got out of bed on the wrong side today?:shrug: Wind your neck in.

You said commercial in one of your previous posts "people pay me to host their websites"
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Thanks for highlighting i actually said people and not commercial

Friend: a person/people who is on/are good terms with another
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Philx1979 said:
Thanks for highlighting i actually said people and not commercial

Friend: a person/people who is on/are good terms with another
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It doesn't matter if they are 'friends' or not, if they pay you it is commercial. If you don't know what that means go and look it up as well.
 
Cheers Simon. I don't need every shot in raw, but would like them to be. That's because I want as much scope as possible to adjust things later, because a) I don't have enough skill yet to be sure I'll get it right in camera, b) the LCD on my camera is not up to properly reviewing shots there and then, c) I may well do more than just display the shots on a screen; I might print some for example, and d) it's a once in a lifetime thing (25th wedding anniversary), and I don't want to risk losing a good shot for the sake of not being able to rescue it.

But I do have a workflow now; capture images in raw on one of two (smallish capacity) cards I have > transfer to iPad and delete any I deffinately don't want > upload the entire "latest import" album from the iPad to Dropbox over the free wifi > only delete from the cards/iPad if i start to run out of room > get home and find all my shots already on my iMac, my wife's iMac, backed up to two external hard drives, and on the cloud!

Of course if I do find I have to have extra cards, Austria is hardly a third world country, and I can easily buy them there, but I think with the above I've got it covered :)

Pat, thanks also. I don't know about newer Sony cameras, but my old girl doesn't offer compressed raws, no. That said it's only 10 mp, so they're not huge anyway :)

I did look at those storage things you can stick a card in, but they all seem to be VERY expensive, and I think my workflow, with it's multiple real time backups, is actually safer, especially as I can verify what's been uploaded to the cloud from the iPad.
 
Right i see your point.
I doubt you will run into many problems with your new adjusted workflow other than connection speed, this could be a bottleneck in your plan, and with some cameras pushing out very big raw files high transfer speeds will be a must . You could also include photoshop touch. The eyepad version. Have a sneaky edit whilst sipping Grüner Veltliner on the veranda after dinner. but honestly, unless you desperately need to shoot raw your best bet would be jpeg.
Have a great time tho and try not getting too caught up with documenting EVERYTHING, a few key moments make up for a ton of irrelevant ones.
 
Thanks Simon. I do have Photoshop Touch, and it'd be great if it didn't have such a minuscule max resolution :(. I've got a couple of other editing apps too, which support higher resolutions, though I'm not too sure my wife will be happy if I spend all my time editing photo's!!

That last bit is great advise! The main thing I need to do between now and going (September) is practice my landscape photography, because I'm expecting some stunning scenery :)
 
As has been mentioned, the internet connection may be the problem while you are away, hopefully not. ;)

However, I wouldn't rely on an internet connection while I was away, no matter how many devices it says it would be backed up to. And in some of the places I've stayed in the connection has been 2mb/s at most. And that is download speed, upload speed is normally a fraction of that. And if the ISP you are using when away are anything like the company's here, then connection speed could be throttled if too much bandwidth is used. Even in the rest of the World I would assume they would have similar 'fair use' retrictions as here.

If I weren't taking a laptop then I would consider multiple cards, which you may have to think about if the internet were to be not working, or a slow connection. Buying them while abroad could work out very expensive, especially if it is is a touristy location.

I tend to take about 40GB of cards with me, and though I back up every night to a laptop, I try to leave the images on the cards until I run out of space as an extra backup. Very rarely to I run out of space on a weeks trip, but when I was away in Venice in October last year and didn't realise that the Venice Marathon was on at the same time, instead of taking my usual 1-5GB of pics per day, I took 11GB :eek: of the Marathon alone, nevermind the rest of the day wandering about. If I had needed extra memory cards in Venice, I shudder to think how much they would have cost me. I can get 2x 16GB CF cards for just over £30 here. Or 2x 16GB of SD cards for about £20. :eek: Luckily my camera can take both cards, so I could get 3x 16GB SD cards for the price of 2x CF, so even though I'd rather have CF, if I wanted value for money and non performance cards, then I would opt for the SD cards. Splitting that into multiple 8GB (my preferred size) works out slightly cheaper for SD cards, but slightly more expensive for CF cards. :thinking:

When you consider the cost of a dedicated back up device, or a laptop, multiple cards is extremely cheap. :D


And remember, memory card prices are coming down all the time, (natural disasters permitting ;)) so when you plan to go away the cost could have come down a bit more. ;)
 
I've been having a similar dilemma as I'm going on a 3 week trip to aus/nz later this year so think I'm going to need something fairly large to back up all the images. I'm also not going to have a reliable Internet connection for the most part of the trip so Dropbox won't work for me.

My plan is to get a Raspberry Pi Pc for £30, a micro USB extender kindle power supply for £9 and then a portable hard drive. Once I've got the Raspberry Pi, I then need to try and program it to copy the contents of the first USB connected device onto the second USB connected device and find some way of confirming the copy has been successful and I'll hopefully have plenty of storage.

All this is a plan at the moment waiting for the Raspberry Pi to arrive. Fingers crossed I'll get it working though :)
 
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