sense of speed

shaundesigner

shaundesigner

Messages
1,008
Name
Shaun
Edit My Images
Yes
ok guys

please help im pulling hair out i have not even got. im trying to achieve sense of speed but its proving very difficult what sort of settings do i require to get the shot?
 
What is it exactly that you're photographing and struggling with? Basically the slower shutter speed you use, the more sense of speed you will get. However, it becomes harder to keep the bits of the image that you want to stay sharp correct.
 
just messing around really with mates cars now i can slow the shutter speed down thats easy enough but the whole shot is still blurred

nothing is sharp will this just be my panning skill?
 
What he said. Practice makes perfect. Investing in a lens with image stabilisation helps as well, although you still need good technique. What sort of shutter speeds are you using at the moment, just out of interest?
 
can you not get two cars traveling at the same speed you in one (obviously a passenger) and him in the other then take a photo? might be easier? dunno?
 
Whats your shutter speed set at ?? around 1/15th should be enough if your panning someone running or maybe a car :suspect:
 
Yep it's panning skill. I went to cadwell to take some piccys of my son on his bike on a free day. Took quite a lot of shots, none too good. A pro who was there took me in hand and showed how he panned, Smoooth, I had another go and at 200/th.sec. took passing bikes at about 80mph and got some grand photos, bike and rider crisp, some blur on the wheels and background really blurred.
Lesson is you are never too old to learn, I have using a camera for over fifty years but rarely took anything moving fast and it helps if you get a bit of tuition.
 
i am using just under 1" and f8...

but i have tried all sorts next one is two cars gonna try that sat morning

but ill try 1/15 on the next go ill post some before and after shots show you how bad they are
 
slow shutter speed and flash, therefore you get the light trails and the blurred movement, but then you get the frozen subject too
 
SW said:
i am using just under 1" and f8...

but i have tried all sorts next one is two cars gonna try that sat morning

but ill try 1/15 on the next go ill post some before and after shots show you how bad they are
Click to expand...

Is that one second? Virtually impossible to get a sharp pic of anything that moves at that shutter speed. Post up one of your failed pics to give an idea of what it is you're trying to do.
 
start high and work down, so pan at 1/200th of a second (see the panning tutprial on here for how to pan properly) then work down if you haven't got enough sense of movement and practice lots :D
 
SW said:
i am using just under 1" and f8...

but i have tried all sorts next one is two cars gonna try that sat morning

but ill try 1/15 on the next go ill post some before and after shots show you how bad they are
Click to expand...

blimey.. 1 second!!? No wonder they are blurry!

I would try at 1/100th and then work your way down.


1/60
img_1900_20090401_1547618756.jpg



1/8
img_2077_20090401_1537287931.jpg
 
To be honest, below 1/25th you are going to get some pretty mad effects if you get anything at all.

If you want the subject to be fully sharp and the backgrounds to be blurred, a bike doing 80mph at say, 170mm (on a crop), you probably want 1/160th. All of those things mentioned make a difference btw... as does how the bike is passing you (ie on a straight or on a bend where the front to back distance changes quite a lot)
 
Definitely too long a shutter speed! This one is 1/2 a second, still 30 times longer than you're looking for! You might want to increase the aperture (smaller f number as this shot is pretty dark), and set the shutter speed to about 1/100, as suggested. Then see how the results come out! Could you get closer to the car as well? It's not really filling the frame.

Chris
 
I've just noticed that the ISO was set at 100 as well... If it's dark, you'll probably need to increase it to 200, or 400. It might make it grainy, but you'll get more detail. I wouldn't go up to 800 as there'll be horrible amounts of noise starting to appear!

Looking forward to seeing your next attempts, hope it works out o.k!

Chris
 
SW said:
_MG_8911.jpg
Click to expand...

Presumably you're shooting at dusk to get the light trails? In which case, you need the long exposure. But the only way to get the car sharp is with a short exposure, so you need to use flash.

Flash has a very short range, especially outdoors, so you need to be close. And to get the light trails behind the car instead of in front of it, you need second curtain sync as mentioned.
 
Panning is the best way to record the sense of speed but its aways trial and error because of the many variables.
I've yet to take a good one.
 
59ms lag on the 50D or 40D, which is down from the 65ms on the 30D.

The 1D MkIII is 40ms and the Nikon D300 is 45ms.

To give you some perspective from a photographers point of view, 40ms is 1/25th... which is a horribly long time in terms of shutter speed.

So even your 1D has AF'ed your rapidly moving subject, then you have 1/25th of a second (during which AF has stopped) before the camera takes the picture...

Do you see why 65ms might be a problem now?

Oh and the wider the aperture, the longer the lag too... so keep it small!
 
the thing is, if you are shooting in the dusk then you'll probably be lucky to get a shutter speed faster than 1/2 anyway (especially at ISO 100)

This thread has got a bit confused though with people talking about light trails and pics at dusk.

Can you explain what result it is exactly that you are trying to achieve? Or post a photo and example of a photo from someone else?
Then someone will be able to tell you exactly how to do it (as this thread has too many condradictory advice!)
 
desantnik said:
59ms lag on the 50D or 40D, which is down from the 65ms on the 30D.

The 1D MkIII is 40ms and the Nikon D300 is 45ms.

To give you some perspective from a photographers point of view, 40ms is 1/25th... which is a horribly long time in terms of shutter speed.

So even your 1D has AF'ed your rapidly moving subject, then you have 1/25th of a second (during which AF has stopped) before the camera takes the picture...

Do you see why 65ms might be a problem now?

Oh and the wider the aperture, the longer the lag too... so keep it small!
Click to expand...

thats helps a great deal thanks for that... starting to understand a little more now
 
SW said:
ok i know how to do light trails thats easy to me now its the sense of speed like in these photos thats all i need to do...
Click to expand...

Cool, we are getting somewhere now :)

basically set your camera up so AI servo focusing (assuming you have a canon).
The slower the shutter speed you use the faster the car will look like its moving, but the slower you go the harder it will be.
Stand with your legs apart and parrallel to the cars movement. Hold the shutter button down half way to focus on the car as it gets closer to you, then push the button all the way and smoothly twist your upper body and follow the movement of the car as it passes you.
Start off at the easy end (1/200th) and keep trying lower speeds until you get to something nice like 1/60th.. If you are getting on well then you can even try 1/8th but i wouldnt go any slower than that.
also remember that the smaller the car is in the frame the lower you can go and still keep the car sharp.

hope that helps :)
 
badgerbaiter said:
Stand with your legs apart and parrallel to the cars movement
Click to expand...

lol thats where im at fault if i do that ill fall ove as i have one leg i have tried to prop my self up on a crutch
but its not stable.
i think im gonna need to do this sitting down i think,,,,


but that helps a great deal badger

i havent had much chance to get out but i will tomorrow thanks again ill post some images soon
 
SW said:
lol thats where im at fault if i do that ill fall ove as i have one leg i have tried to prop my self up on a crutch
but its not stable.
i think im gonna need to do this sitting down i think,,,,


but that helps a great deal badger

i havent had much chance to get out but i will tomorrow thanks again ill post some images soon
Click to expand...

sitting is probably even better ;)

now i understand your avatar LOL
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top