Shooting a cemetry at dusk with flashes..

MWHCVT said:
Jeremy, get down of your high horse before you fall down :shake: please lose the holler than you attitude that you have in this thread, I take photo's in grave yards all of the time, and have never once asked permission, I suppose in your mind that will make me very rude :thinking: but I often shoot at the dead of night so there is no one there to ask, if someone comes and asks about what I'm doing sure I'll discuss it with them :thumbs: but I'm not going to go running around asking permission for everything that I do, that's just not realistic at all...

Matt
MWHCVT
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I also find your comments offensive and it appears you think you are more right than I, in your own opinion, so you don't ask, no courtesy, understandable.

Why is it these days anyone standing up for good manners, courtesy and values is described as on a high horse, needs to calm down etc, perhaps if more people didn't assume they had a "right" to do what they like there would be more respect.

I am not staff, but my home is at the entrance, during the past year I have had to tell "the youth" to NOT p*** in the cemetery, leave with their bottles of drink and even not use it as a place to ride a motorbike, please don't tell me I am oh a high horse, moral standards these days, what standards.
 
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JSER said:
I also find your comments offensive and it appears you think you are more right than I, in your own opinion, so you don't ask, no courtesy, understandable.

Why is it these days anyone standing up for good manners, courtesy and values is described as on a high horse, needs to calm down etc, perhaps if more people didn't assume they had a "right" to do what they like there would be more respect.

I am not staff, but my home is at the entrance, during the past year I have had to tell "the youth" to NOT p*** in the cemetery, leave with their bottles of drink and even not use it as a place to ride a motorbike, please don't tell me I am oh a high horse, moral standards these days, what standards.
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Well I quite frankly find your implication of the "the youth" objectionable some of the most arrogant self entitled people that I've ever come across in life have older people, you have no right to judge my actions or those of others in this thread any more than I have the right to judge exactly what I think of your comments and actions

Do you ask for permission for every photo you take in a grave yard? as I'm sure that although you live on the grave yard you have no more right to take a photo of it that I do legally or morally

I'm not saying that I don't find the actions of many of today's young people to be frankly rubbish but to imply that they are the only ones at fault is simply wrong...

I have other things I would consider saying but then I would be getting personal and that's just not right

Matt
MWHCVT
 
Can we all remember it is the season of Goodwill to ALL.





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If I have to ask permission, does that need I need to add a ouiji board to my kit?

Ownership of cemeteries is complex, and far too difficult to generalise without oversimplifying. There are public cemeteries (parish, borough and county council), private cemeteries (the Victorian and post-Victoriam commercialisation of death), former-private cemeteries (adopted by local authorities, or public trusts), church cemetreries (I'm not sure what happens to cemetereies attached to deconsecrated or decommissioned churches). But common sense should prevail, be respectful to the living (honestly, the dead don't care and are probably pleased of some company) and you should be ok.
 
JSER said:
I am not staff, but my home is at the entrance, during the past year I have had to tell "the youth" to NOT p*** in the cemetery, leave with their bottles of drink and even not use it as a place to ride a motorbike, please don't tell me I am oh a high horse, moral standards these days, what standards.
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read your posts in this thread again objectively :shake:

we all understand that you live in a cemetery, but it might be worth considering that perhaps yours isn't typical - for starters many dont even have a lodge so who is a tog suposed to ask for permission ?

leaving all this aside and returning to the OP my suggestion is you'll be fine so long as you show respect, ask if there is clearly someone to ask, and research whether it is public land or not before you do the shoot
 
MWHCVT said:
Well I quite frankly find your implication of the "the youth" objectionable some of the most arrogant self entitled people that I've ever come across in life have older people, you have no right to judge my actions or those of others in this thread any more than I have the right to judge exactly what I think of your comments and actions

Do you ask for permission for every photo you take in a grave yard? as I'm sure that although you live on the grave yard you have no more right to take a photo of it that I do legally or morally

I'm not saying that I don't find the actions of many of today's young people to be frankly rubbish but to imply that they are the only ones at fault is simply wrong...

I have other things I would consider saying but then I would be getting personal and that's just not right

Matt
MWHCVT
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Well had it been a pensioner I would have said that :thinking: it was a teenager, what do you want me to call him, he was "the youth in question" Duh, please show me where i said it's only the young, go on

I do not "live on a graveyard!!! I live within a Cemetery, and in a "Private House", and ASK the staff permission, remember, manners that out dated comodity.

Oh and if people continue to try to belittle me I will continue to respond.
 
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big soft moose said:
read your posts in this thread again objectively :shake:

we all understand that you live in a cemetery, but it might be worth considering that perhaps yours isn't typical - for starters many dont even have a lodge so who is a tog suposed to ask for permission ?

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The staff, the council, the town council, the clergy :thinking:
 
but you are the only one who's over reacting - everyone else is trying to focus on the OP
 
JSER said:
The staff, the council, the town council, the clergy :thinking:
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what staff ? - ive never seen any staff other than random gravediggers (and they are contractors who wont be in a position to give permission for owt) - the council/town council will be all wound up about H&S , plus they wont have anyone on site - and the clergy is only applicable if its a church graveyard

talk about taking a sledge hammer to kill an ant - all the Op wants to do is take a few pictures
 
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but you are the only one who's over reacting - everyone else is trying to focus on the OP
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:lol: :lol:
Recating you call it, if people didn't reply commenting "about me and my comment made days ago" I would see no reason ro "reply"

Look in the dictionary, I am responding not reacting
 
JSER said:
Look in the dictionary, I am responding not reacting
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you need a better dictionary - responding and reacting to a post are synomonous - however if you calm down and stop seeing insults when none are intended the thread might run more smoothly

and re council staff - 23% of them have just been cut, and the remaining ones dont have time to respond to unecessary corespondence
 
big soft moose said:
you need a better dictionary - responding and reacting to a post are synomonous -
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For someone who has been dyslexic all my life and who has to type into word, rely on spell checks or my son before posting I think I do well thank you for the advice.

Dis I say I am seeing insults or is someone yet again putting words into the mouths of others, that could be seen as "winding someone up" and tellinmg someone who is fine to "calm down" is an insult in itself.
 
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JSER said:
Oh well bad manners it appears also cost nothing.

Remember as I have siad and will say agsin I live at a cemetery lodge, i have a right to know who is photographing just as much as you would want to know if someone started taking photographs at your house

I don't care who takes photos it is GOOD MANNERS to ask unless you have none.

And lets forget the In the street C****, it is a cemetery if nothing else and I believe in no god, it is manners and "respect" something some have obviously forgotten

Oh and for your information I live there and I have the good manners to "ask"
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While it's your home it's also open for public access.
 
JSER said:
I also find your comments offensive and it appears you think you are more right than I, in your own opinion, so you don't ask, no courtesy, understandable.

Why is it these days anyone standing up for good manners, courtesy and values is described as on a high horse, needs to calm down etc, perhaps if more people didn't assume they had a "right" to do what they like there would be more respect.

I am not staff, but my home is at the entrance, during the past year I have had to tell "the youth" to NOT p*** in the cemetery, leave with their bottles of drink and even not use it as a place to ride a motorbike, please don't tell me I am oh a high horse, moral standards these days, what standards.
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JSER said:
Well had it been a pensioner I would have said that :thinking: it was a teenager, what do you want me to call him, he was "the youth in question" Duh, please show me where i said it's only the young, go on

I do not "live on a graveyard!!! I live within a Cemetery, and in a "Private House", and ASK the staff permission, remember, manners that out dated comodity.

Oh and if people continue to try to belittle me I will continue to respond.
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See above, I've made it nice and clear, I hope that helps....
 
Right it seems tempers are warming up a bit too much here. If everyone can take a step back and restore a bit of calm, I'm sure the thread will continue to flow.
 
kelack said:
Right it seems tempers are warming up a bit too much here. If everyone can take a step back and restore a bit of calm, I'm sure the thread will continue to flow.
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I hope it does Kelly :thumbs:

Matt
 
Lol @ some of the posts here!

I often visit a small, countryside graveyard. Whilst I always have a camera, I don't always take pictures.

Do I make phone calls before I go? Never.

Does that make me I'll mannered? No.

I use common sense. If I was to see a member of staff, I would make sure it was ok to be there but that's it.

Andy
 
I think common sense is the order of the day - if doing anything elaborate with multiple strobes, models etc then permission would make sense, but a couple of quick snaps then it's overkill, a bit like the poster who mentioned a quick snap of a fishmonger in a store, and often the response will be "no" anyway for various "red tape" related reasons (eg insurance, health and safety, copyright etc).
 
boliston said:
I think common sense is the order of the day - if doing anything elaborate with multiple strobes, models etc then permission would make sense, but a couple of quick snaps then it's overkill, a bit like the poster who mentioned a quick snap of a fishmonger in a store, and often the response will be "no" anyway for various "red tape" related reasons (eg insurance, health and safety, copyright etc).
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Totally agree :thumbs:
 
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