Shooting Chinese lanterns

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I'm going to a 'do' at the weekend where they will be releasing about 15 or so chinese lanterns (the environmentally friendly type) and i was just wondering what would be the best setting for this type of thing.

I'd like to take shots of them being lit in the dark and then as they initially drift off. I'm not trying to capture them at 300ft or anything like that.

I'll be using 40d, 24-105L and 430ex.

Any advice on Flash set up would be good. Don't want to use too much flash as the lanterns may not come out so well but do want to capture people and faces.

thanks

andy
 
Shoot on manual and set the exposure for the lanterns.

Flash on E-TTL, and use the FEL* button by pointing the camera directly at someone's face/body, and press the button which will fire the pre-flash and lock the correct exposure on them. Then recompose and take the picture. The handbook explains.
Try to keep all subjects roughly the same distance from the flash to keep the lighting level even. You can modify the E-TTL flash exposure with +/- compensation on the back of the gun.

If you have problems with the flash exposure in really tricky conditions, switch that to manual also and adjust the power level for correct exposure. You're guaranteed an optimum result that way, but the flash exposure will only be correct when the flash to subject distance remains the same. It's the inverse square law which often makes flash photography difficult - basically, if you double (or halve) the distance, the light is one quarter (or four times).

From that you will understand that if you set the exposure for a subject 2m away, someone standing just 1m away will be two stops over exposed, and someone behind them 4m from the flash will be two stops under exposed - in other words, a totally rubbish result. The answer is to ensure all flash subjects are the same distance from the flash, and if you can't guarantee that, move back to increase the distance which reduces the rate at which the fall off occurs.
 
Flash on E-TTL, and use the FEL* button by pointing the camera directly at someone's face/body, and press the button which will fire the pre-flash and lock the correct exposure on them. Then recompose and take the picture. The handbook explains.

Hey, I have a 430EXII and I know you said the handbook explains, but what would I be looking for in the handbook for this exactly?

I often want to try and shoot things similar to this at night and I've not tried this method before. Is it setting the correct exposure? Why point it at someones face? Sorry for all the questions, just really want to get to grips with my flash gun!
 
Shoot on manual and set the exposure for the lanterns.

Flash on E-TTL, and use the FEL* button by pointing the camera directly at someone's face/body, and press the button which will fire the pre-flash and lock the correct exposure on them. Then recompose and take the picture. The handbook explains.
Try to keep all subjects roughly the same distance from the flash to keep the lighting level even. You can modify the E-TTL flash exposure with +/- compensation on the back of the gun.

If you have problems with the flash exposure in really tricky conditions, switch that to manual also and adjust the power level for correct exposure. You're guaranteed an optimum result that way, but the flash exposure will only be correct when the flash to subject distance remains the same. It's the inverse square law which often makes flash photography difficult - basically, if you double (or halve) the distance, the light is one quarter (or four times).

From that you will understand that if you set the exposure for a subject 2m away, someone standing just 1m away will be two stops over exposed, and someone behind them 4m from the flash will be two stops under exposed - in other words, a totally rubbish result. The answer is to ensure all flash subjects are the same distance from the flash, and if you can't guarantee that, move back to increase the distance which reduces the rate at which the fall off occurs.

Great pointers there mate, try this at the Glastonbury festival and every year fail. sure I won't this year.
 
Hey, I have a 430EXII and I know you said the handbook explains, but what would I be looking for in the handbook for this exactly?

I often want to try and shoot things similar to this at night and I've not tried this method before. Is it setting the correct exposure? Why point it at someones face? Sorry for all the questions, just really want to get to grips with my flash gun!

The handbook explains how to use the flash exposure lock button - FEL, which is marked * on Canon.

First off, you need to be aware that with all auto-TTL flash systems there are basically two flashes. They go off very rapidly and so close together you cannot distingush the two with the naked eye. The first pre-flash is for exposure calculation. It can actually be a multiple stream of morse-code like pulses, depending on the auto-TTL mode, but it's primary purpose is to send out a measured flash that the metering system can read and compare to ambient light data. In less time than it takes to blink, the camera assesses this and sets the power output for the main flash, which then goes off immediately afterwards when the shutter opens.

Flash exposure control is much more difficult than ambient light, because of the inverse square law fall-off (as described above) and other environmental factors. With daylight for example, it doesn't really matter much how far away the subject is as the light from the sun remains constant. With flash it varies with distance, often a great deal - as explained above - and the environment makes a big difference too (small light room, big dark room, outdoors etc).

Manufacturers use various methods to try and get this right, much of it quite sophisticated, comparing dynamic range as well as light levels and factoring in the focusing distance with lenses that report it. Details of the algorithms they use are never published but the fact remains that, at the end of the day, it's often not much more than a best guess and in tricky situations, such as the OP describes, they need all the help they can get.

Flash exposure is often heavily biased around the centre, quite rightly, but if you have an off-centre subject that can mean that the flash assumes the background is more important and that results in over-exposure of closer subjects.

The FEL* button gets around that by firing the pre-flash, which calculates the exposure, independently on command. Point the camera at the subject, press the FEL button which fires the pre-flash and locks the exposure, then recompose the shot the way you want and press the shutter release.

It generally works very well but if you need to use it a lot, you might get an even more reliable result by setting the camera's metering pattern to centre-weighted, which is a better 'fit' to the the way flash metering works. And as a last resort, if all else fails you have over-ride options of +/- exposure compensation both on the gun and the camera, and full manual control of both if you prefer.

I find the big advantage of auto-TTL is that it generally sets the exposure pretty well, and it does it first time without any faffing. If you have to use manual, you'll need to do a few test shots and make adjustments, and the settings will vary (a lot!) if the subject distance subsequently changes.
 
Just be ready, I don't know if you have flown these things before, but they move really fast when they start to fly!!
 
Thanks Hoppy.

I've played with the manual settings but, as you mentioned, I've always found that auto TTL has given me great results, although I've not tried to shoot outdoors at night yet (which I'll be doing soon, eek!). Maybe I need to get some more practice in!
 
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