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I’m going away Snowboarding with my wife and another couple the week after next (in Bansko, Bulgaria). They have asked me to take some photos of them (action shots and portraits) as I’m taking my SLR.

Just wondered what advice you guys can throw my way in terms of keeping the equipment safe, etc and settings & techniques for getting some good shots.

Cheers! :thumbs:
 
Don't take your kit on the hill everyday, riding with a camera bag really hampers your enjoyment of riding, especially if you aren't used to riding with a camera bag.

Protection wise I use an action sports specific camera bag, but you'll want something waterproof with a lot of padding. Also don't be going into the cafe/pub at lunchtime with your camera, it will steam up.

Settings - dial up some positive exposure compensation, your camera will be metering for 18% grey, but snow is a lot brighter.
 
Hi Lewis, I notice you are a fellow Rugbian! :)
Thanks for the advice. I think I will only be taking the gear out for a few shots, then take it back to the room to keep it safe.

Is it best to set a custom WB before I start shooting? I noticed that last year when I was taking shots in the snow that many of them came out with a blue tinge, obviously I will shoot in RAW, so it can be corrected afterwards.

I was wondering if it was worth taking the flashgun out onto the slope also, would it be useful?

The other thing I was wondering about is whether a CPL filter is beneficial or not in the snow?
 
I went skiing last year and took my gear. I took my camera out for a couple of 1/2 days to get some shots of friends & the mountain views. I didn't want to take it any more than that really -as mentioned, carting the weight about can affect your enjoyment. I guess with boarding you're more likely to fall on your back? So a good bag should help. I just used my Karta rucksack. This made getting on some ski lifts a little tricky though, had to be aware of the size of the bag.

I'd def take the cpl filter, I used mine. Flash could be handy for a bit of fill, as it can be pretty contrasty on a sunny day.

I had issues with lenses fogging up too when going indoors, but if you wait a couple of minutes it soon goes.

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I think there are many ways to tackle snow shoots. You can choose to shoot close and wide for dramatic perspective, especially for jumps and tricks, or long for faster, more direct downhill stuff. Whether you need a flash depends on where you choose to shoot, how far from your subject you are, how powerful your flash is and how bright the ambient light. If your subjects are backlit or top lit then a flash might be a big help, but you'll need to be fairly close for it to have any effect. If they are front lit then a flash won't do anything useful for you. A CPL will give you the option of darkening the sky and may bring out more punch in coloured outfits, if the sun is striking the scene roughly perpendicular to the lens axis. If the sun is behind you or in front of you a CPL will have little useful effect.

Regarding WB, if you shoot raw it won't matter much, if at all, but I find a daylight setting gets me into the right ballpark. As for exposure, I'd be shooting with manual exposure and practising ETTR to the full by spot metering off the brightest (important) part of the scene and placing those highlight tones at the right hand edge of the histogram. For a Canon shooter that threshold is at +3. For Nikon, which I do not shoot, I think around +2 1/3 is about right, but check your histogram and look for a hint of blinkies to indicate that you are where you want to be exposure wise. Here's a typical example of one of my snowy exposures. The histogram and blinkies are perfect (IMHO)....

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In bright sunshine a good starting point for a manual exposure without flash would be 1/1600, f/5.6, 200 ISO, but you'll need to tailor to the exact conditions (angle of sun, how it reflects off the snow and back onto your subject) and your own camera's exact performance. If you use flash then you will have a problem with sync speed. I'm assuming that yours is 1/200, but I don't know for sure. The only way to get down from 1/1600 to 1/200 is to decrease aperture from f/5.6 to f/16, or if you can get a genuine 100 ISO from your camera then f/11 should be about right. The problem with that is that your flash will become pretty ineffective with the lens stopped down that far. If you can find a shadier spot, or have a bit of haze/cloud cover you might have an easier time of it.

You might try a Google image search and just find some snow pictures you like and see whether there is EXIF included. Then you can see what sort of focal lengths and other settings were used.

Good luck. Have fun. Be safe.

EDIT : Actually, here is a (long) shot of mine showing how the resident pro was shooting people as they crested a jump. Being so close, but wide angle, he would have got a much more drmatic shot than I was able to....

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You might also observe that both images have identical exposure settings. This is because I locked my exposure manually once I had it dialed in correctly and confirmed by checking the histogram and looking for blinkies. In fact I shot around 140 images over a 40 minute period using those settings and every one turned out equally well. The light hadn't changed so there was no reason for the exposures to. Autoexposure, whether with or without EC, would have been all over the place as I grabbed differing amounts of snow vs sky and had different tones of skiwear in the middle of the scene. There's a time and a place for autoexposure, but in conditions of very consistent lighting I think manual is the better option.
 
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Awesome :) thanks for taking the time for the advice and tips Tim, I will bear them all in mind. It of course means that I'm going to have to teach my other half how to use my SLR and get her to take some action shots of me on the piste. :lol: if I can get the settings pretty much perfect then I can just leave it set up for her to point and click stuff. :)
 
Hi Lewis, I notice you are a fellow Rugbian! :)
Thanks for the advice. I think I will only be taking the gear out for a few shots, then take it back to the room to keep it safe.

Is it best to set a custom WB before I start shooting? I noticed that last year when I was taking shots in the snow that many of them came out with a blue tinge, obviously I will shoot in RAW, so it can be corrected afterwards.

I was wondering if it was worth taking the flashgun out onto the slope also, would it be useful?

The other thing I was wondering about is whether a CPL filter is beneficial or not in the snow?

I've never bothered with custom WBs when shooting snowboarding, I usually leave it on auto (and shoot raw). If you've got space to take the flash gun take it, you never know when you need a bit of fill flash.

Another thing to bear in mind is that batteries go flat a lot quicker in the cold.
 
Ride first, shoot second - that's the best way to enjoy the trip. Plus, once you've found some sweet runs, then you know potential shooting spots.

I used to have a recc'e day and then take the camera out. All the while, we all used to chip in and get a whole bunch of process-paid 35mm disposables that were great fun to use and were a great surprise when you got home to find out what had been shot.

Protection-wise, I use a Burton zoom but I've been lucky that any ragdolling has been in powder, although it is still squeaky-bun time when you stack it. Just pad things out, don't go balls-out all the time and have a decent insurance policy just in case. :)

BTW, keep a set of batteries in your trouser pocket to give them a bit more life.

As for WB, never really bothered me just setting it on auto and over exposing a bit, relying on blinkies :)
 
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It's like the Rugby snowboarders/photographers posse in here...
 
Hey guys, thought i might share some of my holiday snaps with you.
Thanks to all for the advice!

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You're suffering from grey snow syndrome in some of these - the classic consequence of not adjusting the camera to suit the bright reflectance of the snow. I picked one example where the shadows clearly show the scene to be brightly sunlit. Yet the brightnes of your image does not convey that feeling. Here's a quick edit with a +1 boost to exposure.

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Now which version looks like it is a sunny day?

On your overcast shots the exposures are closer to reality, but you seem to have a white balance problem, with some of them having a bit of a pink tinge, which would be rather odd on the ski slopes, I think.

On the plus side your shots show a diversity of interest and different approaches to the subject, so creatively I think you have some nice ideas. I think you need to work on some of the camera controls though - metering, exposure and white balance.
 
You're suffering from grey snow syndrome in some of these - the classic consequence of not adjusting the camera to suit the bright reflectance of the snow. I picked one example where the shadows clearly show the scene to be brightly sunlit. Yet the brightnes of your image does not convey that feeling. Here's a quick edit with a +1 boost to exposure.

Now which version looks like it is a sunny day?

On your overcast shots the exposures are closer to reality, but you seem to have a white balance problem, with some of them having a bit of a pink tinge, which would be rather odd on the ski slopes, I think.

On the plus side your shots show a diversity of interest and different approaches to the subject, so creatively I think you have some nice ideas. I think you need to work on some of the camera controls though - metering, exposure and white balance.

Cheers! :thumbs: thanks for that. all taken on board, and you're right, it does look a lot better. I see what you mean about the colour cast now. I hadn't really spotted it before. :thinking:
 
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