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What 'fitting' do the Kino (Godox) use, can I fit Elinchrom softboxes to it, i.e. is it the same bayonet fitting as Elinchrom or something else?
It's Bowens aka S fit.
What 'fitting' do the Kino (Godox) use, can I fit Elinchrom softboxes to it, i.e. is it the same bayonet fitting as Elinchrom or something else?
S fit (Bowen’s type)What 'fitting' do the Kino (Godox) use, can I fit Elinchrom softboxes to it, i.e. is it the same bayonet fitting as Elinchrom or something else?
I had a play with the Lencarta version some years ago - and compared to my previous experience of flash heads, it’s like being transported in time.Looking into Kino range from UK supplier.
His latest American ban could signal the steady demise of Android in large parts of the world. which would be a major financial blow to Google and the USA.
In that way the American ban will prove to be Highly counter productive in the long run.
At the moment all Chinese and Korean phones are capable of running Android, but that may not continue to be the case after further developments.
Looking into Kino range from UK supplier.
I just phoned Lencarta and spoke to a nice and knowlegable chap there who said the Godox AD400 Pro is the equivalent of the Elinchrom BRX500. But, the BRX500 is £455 new on WEX and the Godox ED400 (which is not as powerful) sells for £608, which is way more than the Elinchrom.
The Lencarta Superfast Pro 400WS cost £454 too, which is the same as the Elinchrom and according to the man at Lencarta, this Superfast model is the equivalent to the BRX500 too.
Also, looking at the rear of the Godox QS 600 and the back of the Kono 2 they are different, the buttons on the Kino 2 are different so although they appear to be re-branded, it looks like Godox are using cheaper components (even if just the buttons and the dial) on the Kino stuff.
I think he’s using the word ‘equivalent’ to just say they have similar power.I just phoned Lencarta and spoke to a nice and knowlegable chap there who said the Godox AD400 Pro is the equivalent of the Elinchrom BRX500. But, the BRX500 is £455 new on WEX and the Godox ED400 (which is not as powerful) sells for £608, which is way more than the Elinchrom.
https://www.lencarta.com/lencarta-superfast-pro-400ws-fla020?search=superfast+pro&description=true
The Lencarta Superfast Pro 400WS cost £454 too, which is the same as the Elinchrom and according to the man at Lencarta, this Superfast model is the equivalent to the BRX500 too.
Also, looking at the rear of the Godox QS 600 and the back of the Kono 2 they are different, the buttons on the Kino 2 are different so although they appear to be re-branded, it looks like Godox are using cheaper components (even if just the buttons and the dial) on the Kino stuff.
I’ll check the others later to see if there’s something more comparable.
lencarta have a man with screwdriversThanks Phil
I just got off the phone to a guy at London's Photomart and he sells Godox and said the QS-600 ii is the nearest thing to a BRX500 Elinchrom head. Said flash tube replacement is £65, but he also said because the heads are so cheap if something goes wrong just bin it and buy a new one, I wasn't keen on this as I don't like the 'disposable' attitude. I like the idea of somebody being able to open it up with a screwdriver and fix it.
Search found this....not sure how accurate it is though.Which? D-lite and BRX aren't, ELC Pro HD has a 'Swiss design' sticker so that's presumably Asian too.
That just leaves the ELB 400/500/1200, I don't know where they're made but as they're battery units I'm guessing they wouldn't be the ops first choice.
Search found this....not sure how accurate it is though.
Recently, Elincrom have moved their tooling for the Compact entry-level lights to India where they are now producing the D-Lite RX series. The professional compact series, the ELC Pro HD are manufactured in Switzerland.
I just got off the phone to a guy at London's Photomart and he sells Godox and said the QS-600 ii is the nearest thing to a BRX500 Elinchrom head.
Said flash tube replacement is £65, but he also said because the heads are so cheap if something goes wrong just bin it and buy a new one, I wasn't keen on this as I don't like the 'disposable' attitude. I like the idea of somebody being able to open it up with a screwdriver and fix it.
Stop just comparing random heads, pick the ones that actually match the features you need i.e. if you don't care about freezing action, you don't need to pay more for that feature.
3x 500ws heads w/ only 3 stops of adjustment (BRX500) seem quite wrong
You seem to have some experience with this, maybe it would help to convert the numbers... for instance, using asa 25 film you might need 600-1200ws even in a fairly compact space, at base ISO 100 that converts to 150-300ws to accomplish the same things. So if using 600ws heads you will want at least 4 stops of adjustability, or be willing to stop down to smaller apertures/use ND's etc. If you have less power than you want/need then you can always bump the ISO w/o significantly impacting the image you want to create, if you have too much power it becomes much more problematic.Still figuring out the right studio flash set up to go with but so far I'm thinking two Godox QS-600 ii heads
Adorama has their listing all jacked up then... I thought it looked very odd.https://www.elinchrom.com/support/unit-specs.html lists the BRX as 31 to 500 Ws.
I agree with pretty much all you are saying, Phil, which probably explains why everything is so crap and unreliable these days. Seriously, there is no denying that stuff made in China is generally crap and unreliable. This is a cold fact of life. Nikon and Canon pro lenses and cameras are made in Japan for a reason, the budget stuff is kicked out elsewhere, Taiwan or China. Yes, my iPhone is assembled in China, I can't avoid that but I doubt many components in BMW and Audi and VW cars come from that part of the world. If I can avoid China, I will, and it looks like I can here by going Profoto or Elinchrom. Don't mind the price, you get what you pay for.
Probably not; the size of modifier/distance thing is a little bit of a red herring IMO. It does take more power to fill a larger modifier, but a larger modifier is suited to lighting a larger area (i.e. full body) from a closer distance. Most of the time, the distance at which the modifier is placed is a much more significant factor (ISL).but I will be doing 'full length' portraiture, with space around the subject while using larger softboxes with the head firing backwards into the box and reflecting around the back before making it's way through the front defuser. I suspect the QS-600 ii would definitely be required for this main keylight set up in such a way?
As a portrait photographer, I know that some subjects suffer from an inability to relax, and the ability to shoot more images in quick succession is a boon.I will not need the 'freezing' flash speeds, just regular portrait shots, no jumping or leaping mid air subjects.
It took me a loooong time to get used to digital - I shot for 10 years as if I was shooting film (more or less), nowadays I have it.Makes sense, Phil, and I can see how that would be a bonus for a lot of photographers. I'm a bit of a traditionalist, although I move with the times and the tech. But I don't like the idea of lots of extra post-production culling of loads of images to pick a good one. I try and shoot mimulistically, aiming to get the shot right first time rather than bursting off loads of shots. I know you're not talking about 'hit and hope' but it still creates culling work and could introduce an element of laziness to a shoot.
Adorama is a large retailer, Pixapro isn't - they just made a decision for some reason to sell everything under their own name.The Pixapro Kino 600 2 is actually a Godox QS 600 II, Godox rebrands their equipment for larger retailers like Pixapro (Essential Photo), Adorama etc. They have an explanation here: https://www.essentialphoto.co.uk/blog/post/godox/
Godox don't directly sell overseas, when you buy one of their products you're buying an import so it's important to choose a company you can rely on for the warranty as trying to claim through Godox is a waste of time and money. That's why we recommend companies like Lencarta, Essential Photo, Photomart etc because they're established and reliable.
The benefits of being able to shoot very rapidly without waiting a second or two for the flash head to recycle significant to say the least, like many things in life it's easy to say that you're happy with your own approach - I tend to be a "measure twice cut once" person myself - but having used SuperFast heads a lot, I really do appreciate their value and usefulness and I'm confident that if you try them you'll wonder how you ever managed without themAs a portrait photographer, I know that some subjects suffer from an inability to relax, and the ability to shoot more images in quick succession is a boon.
We do this all the time shooting candids at weddings nowadays, shooting a short burst where traditionally we’d have taken a single shot.
We sometimes refer to it as capturing ‘micro expressions’
Old fashioned heads limit our ability to do this in the studio, but the IGBT controlled heads make it possible.
I'm confident that he won't try them.I'm confident that if you try them you'll wonder how you ever managed without them
As an aside, 'Interfit'? Any good? The S1 and S1a heads? How do they compair with Godox and Elinchrom for example? Anybody any experience with Interfit or any knowledge of them? From what I can gather, after looking around the web, they appear to be a small, but dedicated, UK company who appear to be passionate about what they do.
Bron, who really do make excellent products, but at incredibly high prices.
Adorama is a large retailer, Pixapro isn't - they just made a decision for some reason to sell everything under their own name.
It's a little ironic but I think the re-branding just confuses a lot of customers.
Totally agree. I think some companies do it for vanity reasons, but they probably aren't aware that by doing this they are killing their own sales.
Another last thing.. you'll get more responses if you report this thread and ask a mod to move it to the lighting & studio sub-forum.