This is Ridiculous...

StewartR said:
It's amazing, isn't it, that both of these sound so plausible. How wrong is that?

Here's a thought though .....

How many of you are actively involved with your kids schools and/or your local council? Our council has loads of ways in which members of the public can contribute to policy and decision making. I imagine others do too. And most if not all schools will have some sort of parents committee.

Don't just let other people make the rules and then complain. Do something about it.
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bit difficult to get involved when you work 9-5 and all meetings are held before 5pm.

our local school have workshops where the parent goes in to help the child andsee them learning etc... they say they are going to cancel them if more fathers dont come in to them, unfortunately if they are getting all the mothers, it is because they stay at home and look after the kids, while the dad works. and i have far better things to spend my day off on than sitting in school
 
this really makes me think weather having kids isnt a hassle more than anything... Then again at 21 its not the highest things on my to do list :D
 
Dom_Cabarete said:
THankyou... people have been telling me that "you need to see it from their point of view" all day long, and i dont understand why you would even consider that train of thought...
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So you don't care what others think. You should always try to look at things from others perspective not just your own. If everybody had that attitude it would be a very sad world.

As for taking photos of the play that should be ok but not posting them on facebook. Why does everyone feel the need to post on facebook. If I want my picture on facebook I'll post it myself.

Choccy...
 
I dont care what other people think when i know its just ridiculous. As for facebook my little cousins on it, (and it happened to be him in the play). Im one of three family members currently living in the UK and the rest are dotted around portugal, italy, dominican republic, so facebook is the easy way of keeping in touch and therefore i will post as many pictures on there as i like. At the end of the day i respect peoples opinions but why should i not speak up if they are the polar opposite to mine?
 
Dom_Cabarete said:
I dont care what other people think when i know its just ridiculous. As for facebook my little cousins on it, (and it happened to be him in the play). Im one of three family members currently living in the UK and the rest are dotted around portugal, italy, dominican republic, so facebook is the easy way of keeping in touch and therefore i will post as many pictures on there as i like. At the end of the day i respect peoples opinions but why should i not speak up if they are the polar opposite to mine?
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Do they not have email.....

Choccy...
 
Dom_Cabarete said:
this really makes me think weather having kids isnt a hassle more than anything... Then again at 21 its not the highest things on my to do list :D
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What - not even practising the first requirement of parenting :eek:

That WAS pretty high on my to-do list at 21 m8; and still is tbh

:lol:

DD
 
essexguy78 said:
Have to agree with the OP that this is a ridiculous situation. but it was the same at my daughters play this year.

But some places have do back the photographer, i shoot under 16 football and the away team are not asked if i can shoot by our coach they are told iam shooting. If any of the parents object then they are given the option to leave the ground.
There have not been any objections to date.
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I used to shoot football as well, and the local league's policy was that you had to ask each parent individually :eek::eek:

Rugby is the opposite. You may be challenged to make sure you are a parent, but you are able to take photos unless someone objects to it. Since my son swapped codes I've not been challenged once, where the football stance makes you feel like a perv for wanting to take photos of your son playing
 
fabs said:
The world has always been of the "sheep" mentality, how do you think all the major religions started? It just seems worse now because the world hase become a tiny place.

As for the beach, well if it's private land it doesn't matter wheter it's 100 miles inland or the coastline to me. :shrug:
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OMG - too massive potential arguments here...

Religion & Property 'ownership'

Thank F no-one picked up on those or we'd never end this thread

:D

DD
 
fabs said:
Hardly use it myself and don't upload pictures to it, but what's wrong with Facebook? It's an easy and quick way for people to keep in touch and if you want to upload pictures of the kids, nothing wrong with that either.
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The problem with facebook is that your photos are not just shared with your friends and family unless you specify this. So if someone knows a friend of a friend and you comment on a photo they can see it. Also who polices facebook and the internet in general to make sure everything is ok.

The whole problem is there is no control over content on the internet. Taking photos at your kids school used to be about keeping hold of memories from their youth to share with your friends and family, not just for posting on some social networking tool. I agree if you have family far apart it is a perfect way to share these memories as long the access is restricted to family and friends.

Choccy...
 
In my "yoof" I played quite a lot of sport, hockey and athletics mainly. As such I found myself on the back page of the local rag on more than one occasion, usually wearing hockey kit or the schools athletics kit. Nobody ever asked my permission or that of my parents, no three page contracts to be signed in triplicate. More a case of, "you, in the gym at lunchtime in your kit".

Did it ever do me any harm? Heck no. My parents kept those newspaper cuttings until they died. Happy days.

It's not as if you are stealing the souls of children by taking their pics. I have hundreds of my stepdaughter. One of my faves is here peeking over the side of the bath with her head covered in bubbles. Yes, I take pics of my stepdaughter in the bath........lock me up.
 
Choccy said:
The problem with facebook is that your photos are not just shared with your friends and family unless you specify this. So if someone knows a friend of a friend and you comment on a photo they can see it. Also who polices facebook and the internet in general to make sure everything is ok.

The whole problem is there is no control over content on the internet. Taking photos at your kids school used to be about keeping hold of memories from their youth to share with your friends and family, not just for posting on some social networking tool. I agree if you have family far apart it is a perfect way to share these memories as long the access is restricted to family and friends.

Choccy...
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Why? What difference odes it make it other people see photographs of your kids. Why do you think access should be restricted to family and friends? Are you ashamed of your kids?

Anyway, as far as I am aware you can only see other peoples' profile and pictures if you are their "friends" on facebook.
 
Everything depends upon the stance of the school head. We had ours last night, a choir and orchestra set and it was lovely for its simpleness. The head said in his opening address 'go ahead and film, or take photos if you would like to, we don't mind that at all.'

What a sensible chap. It really is down to us all as part of our own communities and a wider community to see off the paranoid nutters and there strange views. Stand up for common sense or it will disapear completely. And we'll have no-one to blame but ourselves.:thumbs:
 
I remember when I was at school (6 yrs old - im 27 now) and I was in the x-mas play, loads of people took video and pictures; even the school. All the parents were so pleased to see their little ones up on the wall and such at school and the pics/vid were getting passed around.

Just look the state of this day and age.. Fed up with it..


Cheers,

Stephen
 
In fact Olympus sold a range of point and shoots with autofocus and zoom based on a school production and parents jostling for position. David Bailey featured smugly using such new fangled technology as zoom and 'auto focus hocus pocus' according to 'Arthur Dailey'/George Cole who also uttered the immortal words to Bailey 'Who do you think you are, David Bailey?' :lol:

Counter the nonsense with further nonsense, it's my human rights to record my childrens development in school productions, are they prepared to compromise my human rights? The same jobsworths will run for the hills guarenteed.
 
resonance said:
I remember when I was at school (6 yrs old - im 27 now) and I was in the x-mas play, loads of people took video and pictures; even the school. All the parents were so pleased to see their little ones up on the wall and such at school and the pics/vid were getting passed around.

Just look the state of this day and age.. Fed up with it..


Cheers,

Stephen
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Yes but in those days you knew who you were passing them to because you gave it to them in person. If someone wanted to see photos you took of the play they had to come and ask you for the photos or video etc. And they could only see the photos while they had them in their posession, if they wanted copies they had to ask.

If I want a picture now all I do is right click and save as. It's mine then. You don't even know I've got it.

Choccy...
 
DiddyDave said:
What - not even practising the first requirement of parenting :eek:

That WAS pretty high on my to-do list at 21 m8; and still is tbh

:lol:

DD
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But Women think in a different way. I can just about look after myself let alone a little me :D... Cant say i dont want kids just not yet:shake:
 
Choccy said:
Yes but in those days you knew who you were passing them to because you gave it to them in person. If someone wanted to see photos you took of the play they had to come and ask you for the photos or video etc. And they could only see the photos while they had them in their posession, if they wanted copies they had to ask.

If I want a picture now all I do is right click and save as. It's mine then. You don't even know I've got it.

Choccy...
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This is the exact mentality that im talking about. You go ahead and right click the whole point is why does it bother you? :thinking:
 
Choccy said:
Yes but in those days you knew who you were passing them to because you gave it to them in person. If someone wanted to see photos you took of the play they had to come and ask you for the photos or video etc. And they could only see the photos while they had them in their posession, if they wanted copies they had to ask.

If I want a picture now all I do is right click and save as. It's mine then. You don't even know I've got it.

Choccy...
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Very true but its not like you've taken portaits of your kids out for all on tinternet, thats your choice. The pictures are your discression I suppose and the ones that u take are of loads of kids in a play is supposed to be a memorable time for all, Just think in 20 years time "dad, can I see my vid/pics from when I was little in my school play?"

-"Sorry son I wasn't allowed"



This isnt really a rant I thought I would just give my point of view.
 
resonance said:
Very true but its not like you've taken portaits of your kids out for all on tinternet, thats your choice. The pictures are your discression I suppose and the ones that u take are of loads of kids in a play is supposed to be a memorable time for all, Just think in 20 years time "dad, can I see my vid/pics from when I was little in my school play?"

-"Sorry son I wasn't allowed"



This isnt really a rant I thought I would just give my point of view.
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I've been a little vague really, I don't think you shouldn't be allowed to take photos at school plays but what I do disagree with is posting the pictures on social networking sites.

This is what was said in the original post. He also said he ignored everything anyway which leads me to believe no matter what anyone says he will always do exactly what he wants to do.

Choccy...
 
when it comes to photographing family at a school play im happy to report that yes....i will do whatever i want :)
 
Choccy said:
I've been a little vague really, I don't think you shouldn't be allowed to take photos at school plays but what I do disagree with is posting the pictures on social networking sites.

This is what was said in the original post. He also said he ignored everything anyway which leads me to believe no matter what anyone says he will always do exactly what he wants to do.
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Your chewing on the wrong end of the bone here.

Stopping people posting on social sites because they don't use the privacy controls properly isn't the answer. Better to educate people on how to use the site and the privacy options so they have control and the choice.

Facebook has plenty of options for who sees a picture and who doesn't, if people aren't using them properly then they should take responsibility for their mistake. There are already far too many situations in life where the nanny state mentality is ruining basic enjoyment of life, let's not add to it by making rules on what we can and can't upload and share with friends and family.

Nipping back to the ugly kids comment earlier, it reminded me of the info a friend has on facebook - "I enjoy watching my kids grow, especially the fat one" :D
 
pxl8 said:
Nipping back to the ugly kids comment earlier, it reminded me of the info a friend has on facebook - "I enjoy watching my kids grow, especially the fat one" :D
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:lol::lol::p:lol::lol:
 
I have loads of photo's of my kids (and their mates) at play group nativity plays. Never had a problem, in fact several parents asked if they could have a copy.
Unfortunately nowadays there seem to be more children who's parents are separated/divorced and do nor wish their partner to know where the the child is, therefore makes photographing and displaying publicly unwise. And unfair on the kid saying "you can't be in the play..... unless you wear a pixelated mask !"
 
My most popular shot on Flickr (by a very very very) large margin is one of my daughter:



I guess that makes me a bad Dad, posting it where 'people' that aren't friends or family might see it?!? :eek:
 
I took some at the church Nativity last year and was going to put them on a password protected website for the parents to look at,oh no they had to go on a disc and then the parents could look at them on the disc at a prearranged time.Its paranoia and political correctness gone mad.
I wsa Parish Warden at my previous church and if anybody had asked me to enforce such a rule it would have been an immediate resignation job
 
:cuckoo::D

thats just ridiculous how could you proudly post a picture of you child on a public website :lol::p:lol:
 
Dom_Cabarete said:
But Women think in a different way. I can just about look after myself let alone a little me :D... Cant say i dont want kids just not yet:shake:
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It was meant as a joke about trying to get a shag ONLY - as the forerunner for kids

That was the 'practising' I was meaning

:lol:

DD
 
DiddyDave said:
It was meant as a joke about trying to get a shag ONLY - as the forerunner for kids

That was the 'practising' I was meaning

:lol:

DD
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Oh dont worry i did get it. To be honest ive spent 3/4 of this year in and out of hospital and mostly on crutches then the rest in physio, so havnt had much time for anything :p. Plus i came back to the UK to recover and my girlfriend is in the caribean looking after the dog...:(
 
I'm having a similar problem.

I am trying to arrange to get into my old schools to take some photos as part of a photo diary of my life type thing.

I'm only 25 so the teachers still remember me but they are still being a bit funny about it. I don't even want to have anyone in the shots, as it's all about the places rather than the people.

I can see why they'd be cautious though, as I wouldn't want some loony with a camera running round my kids school. it's just frustrating becasue I know i'm not a loony :)

You've just got to see it from their point of view, and they're only trying to protect the kids.
 
Dom_Cabarete said:
Oh dont worry i did get it. To be honest ive spent 3/4 of this year in and out of hospital and mostly on crutches then the rest in physio, so havnt had much time for anything :p. Plus i came back to the UK to recover and my girlfriend is in the caribean looking after the dog...:(
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Oh dear that's really sad news :(:(:(




Coming from the Carribean to Bournemouth I mean :nuts::nuts::nuts:

DD
 
DiddyDave said:
Oh dear that's really sad news :(:(:(




Coming from the Carribean to Bournemouth I mean :nuts::nuts::nuts:

DD
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HAHAHA:lol::lol:... Yeah its been a bad year on all fronts, but i can sort of job now and im looking for a ticket to go back for the end of march, so hopefully 2009 will be a little better :p
 
Choccy said:
I've been a little vague really, I don't think you shouldn't be allowed to take photos at school plays but what I do disagree with is posting the pictures on social networking sites.
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So you also think that sports teams photos shouldn't be in the local paper.
And children should not be on TV.
Newsreels from shopping centres should have children removed from view.
When it's Children in Need, and a class raises money, their fundraising shouldn't make it on screen either?
When a school does something special and invites a local news team in. They shouldn't film.

Because anyone can hit record on their sky plus, or buy a newspaper.
 
Can I get an AMENNNNNNNNN!!!! :D :D
 
We seem to be mixing two topics here. The first is with whether you should be able to take pictures and the second is what is then done with the pictures.

The primary topic is obviously the restriction on photography at events involving children. I have not seen a good case for not allowing parents to photograph these events. Parents who do not wish their children to be photographed or children who are 'at risk' should not participate in the event. Yes, its unfair for them but at least its unfair for a few rather than being unfair for the majority. We have bent continually as a society trying to accommodate the needs of all parts of the society but there has to be a point were we say no. Give and take? We do the giving and the minority do the taking.

With regard to subsequent use of the images and posting on the internet. The argument seems to run along the lines "But if we let you take pictures we don't know what you will do with them and you might even put them on the internet and then people would be able to see them!" It does not matter what I am going to do with them. I think the vast majority of people who take pictures at school events are doing so for their family's personal use. Some of them may put them onto Facebook. Who cares? A few more people in the world see your kids face. Reality check here - people see your kids every day

This is a bit like saying "Yes you can buy a car but we can't let you use it because some people speed and some people are really inconsiderate drivers. So, to avoid any possibility of poor driving we have decided that no one should be allowed to drive."

Anybody fancy setting up a an action group?
Parents Rebelling Against Total Stupidity

Uummhh maybe I need to rethink that one :) But that is how we are being treated.

John
 
Can we back up a bit and clarify something for me...

Little Johnny & Carol are in class, shopping centre, sports field, beach, wherever

If we ban anyone taking a photo of them, what are we actually protecting them from ???

If the answer is a Perv - then there are no laws to stop said Perv getting those shots (okay the school & shopping centre may have restrictions, but otherwise - no). Anyone shooting kids outside the gate, field, beach is not breaking any laws; and I've never read of anyone snapping kids as a prelim to choosing & abducting them

I also can't imagine having one's photo taken hurts

So what are we protecting them from?

If your 10 yr old daughter is photographed in her school uniform on the street, by a perv who likes hand jobs to such, then yes the thought of that is unpleasant & disturbing - but you'd never know if it happened, and again, stopping it isn't protecting her from anything is it? As neither you nor she'd ever know

Or have I missed the point somewhere???

DD
 
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