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Sorry, excuse the cheesy title. I know what IS means and what the benefits are but then I occasionaly see people referring to certain lenses that come as IS and non IS and they say the non IS version has better IQ?! How? Surely the entire point of IS is to improve the image quality? ALSO, why do people say to turn IS off in certain circumstances (i.e. with a tripod)? I mean I can see why the IS might not be needed there but why actively turn it off?

P.S. On that note what the hell is IQ anyway? Is there a specific measure of image quality that can be compared or is it all in the eye of the beholder?
 
Sorry, excuse the cheesy title. I know what IS means and what the benefits are but then I occasionaly see people referring to certain lenses that come as IS and non IS and they say the non IS version has better IQ?! How? Surely the entire point of IS is to improve the image quality?

Sorry but given the above I dont think you do know what IS means. Or you don't quite understand the implications of it. It certainly has nothing to do wiht image quality as such.
 
ALSO, why do people say to turn IS off in certain circumstances (i.e. with a tripod)? I mean I can see why the IS might not be needed there but why actively turn it off?

Tripods are the best example. If you have the IS turned on when the camera is perfectly stable, then the IS is in essence trying to compensate for something that isnt there in the first place. In short, its possible to end up with camera shake on the image, when there wasnt any camera shake.
 
with sports for example you already have the shutter speed up to catch the movement so no need to use IS as it brings nothing good to the shot and in fact will slow down the AF
 
Sorry but given the above I dont think you do know what IS means. Or you don't quite understand the implications of it. It certainly has nothing to do wiht image quality as such.

:p... this is entirely possible. I don't understand the mechanism of IS, my understanding was that it tries to compensate for camera shake and thus can give you an extra stop or so if handheld but I couldn't see why this would have any negative effects.

with sports for example you already have the shutter speed up to catch the movement so no need to use IS as it brings nothing good to the shot and in fact will slow down the AF

Tripods are the best example. If you have the IS turned on when the camera is perfectly stable, then the IS is in essence trying to compensate for something that isnt there in the first place. In short, its possible to end up with camera shake on the image, when there wasnt any camera shake.

Ok, the former I can understand but how come it will still try to compensate if there is no shake? So it doesn't actually measure shake and try to fix it accordingly, it just applies a standard setting to compensate for potential shake :suspect:? I guess I just assumed that the system would be intelligent enough to compensate the shake relative to how much was actually needed but without knowing how it actually works I guess that might not be easy/possible.
 
Well as I understand it (and im no expert either...trust me on this!) IS is actually not all that clever at all. It doesnt know the difference.

I do know some of the high end late model canon lenses have inbuilt 'tripod detection', so you dont need to turn it off.
 
:p... this is entirely possible. I don't understand the mechanism of IS, my understanding was that it tries to compensate for camera shake and thus can give you an extra stop or so if handheld but I couldn't see why this would have any negative effects..

AGREED ...But thats a million miles different than your first explanation that its whole purpose was to improve image quality.. which it doesn't :)
 
IS relies on a giroscope somewhere in the camera system telling the camera whih way it's moving, and this it can adjust either a lens element or the sensor itself to compensate for this movememt. If you're perfectly still and the giroscopes whirring away it may wlel vibrate and tell the lens/sensor to move when it shouldn't.
 
with sports for example you already have the shutter speed up to catch the movement so no need to use IS as it brings nothing good to the shot and in fact will slow down the AF

Well I use IS not on the shots but to stabilise the image while I'm taking it.

I find that without IS, especially shooting at say 200-300mm handheld, the image wanders quite a bit but with IS the image stays almost still making it much easier to see when to take the shot.

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AGREED ...But thats a million miles different than your first explanation that its whole purpose was to improve image quality.. which it doesn't :)

I guess I didn't say it very clearly :p. What I meant is that I thought it was generally accepted that it improves an image (when using lower shutter speeds by reducing camera shake) as opposed to ever actually reducing the quality of an image which is what I'd caught hints of with people saying you shouldn't use IS with tripods or in studio shoots. If the system really isn't that intelligent though I can see where the problem comes from.

Any answers to my other question? Is IQ an actual measurable/quantifiable term or does it just depend on whos opinion it is?
 
Tripods are the best example. If you have the IS turned on when the camera is perfectly stable, then the IS is in essence trying to compensate for something that isnt there in the first place. In short, its possible to end up with camera shake on the image, when there wasnt any camera shake.

I know this is often quoted but quite often, expecially using my 100mm Macro, I forget to turn the IS off without any noticeable adverse effects.

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i have also read that with fast shutter speeds over say 1/250th [depends on lens etc] that again the IS can cause problems as it cant work that fast and can affect the image quality...

it can also cause problems when panning, the better lens have several settings so you can selet X and Y axis. again i guess if you are very smooth at panning in the X axis the camera will try and adjust for camera shake which isnt there!?

not 1st hand experiance just magazing info! doesnt worry me as i dont have IS... guess if you take a few sample shots with it on and off you can come to your own conclusions for the type of shots you like to take...

bob :)
 
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those who have IS lenses....are they a big help to you. do you see where the extra money went and was it worth it?
 
I have IS in a couple of my lenses.

My Canon 18-135 has IS (and a brilliant IS at that) and I wouldnt live without it. Why? Well its my travel lens and with IS I can shoot at night or in poor conditions and still get pin sharp shots without the need for a tripod. Not having to carry a tripod everywhere is a BIG plus when you are out and about.

Without the IS its nowhere near as effective. I can also use sharper apertures without the decrease in shutter speed affecting the end result as the IS fully compensates for that, helping me achieve very sharp landscape images, interior shots etc, again, leaving the tripod at home!
 
those who have IS lenses....are they a big help to you. do you see where the extra money went and was it worth it?

For me IS lenses are such a big help that I certainly wouldn't buy a telephoto without it.

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Sorry, excuse the cheesy title. I know what IS means and what the benefits are but then I occasionaly see people referring to certain lenses that come as IS and non IS and they say the non IS version has better IQ?! How? Surely the entire point of IS is to improve the image quality? ALSO, why do people say to turn IS off in certain circumstances (i.e. with a tripod)? I mean I can see why the IS might not be needed there but why actively turn it off?

P.S. On that note what the hell is IQ anyway? Is there a specific measure of image quality that can be compared or is it all in the eye of the beholder?

IS is a completely brilliant invention. I can't think of a single reason why anyone should not want it, apart possibly from the potential cost. But actually, there are very few lenses available as either IS or non-IS versions and while they might appear to have a similar spec, they are actually completely different designs. You can't really compare them directly.

A couple of examples. Canon's 70-200L zooms are available in various configurations, and in all cases the the IS versions have better IQ. Tamron's 17-50 is available with and without IS and the IS version is reputed to be not as good. But then again, in all these cases the optical designs are compelety different :shrug: By the way, IQ means image quality of course and can include a lot of things, but most people use it as shorthand for sharpness and/or noise.

With most modern lenses you can leave IS on with a tripod. Some you can't, like the popular Canon 100-400L which has an old version of IS and the image 'drifts' when on a tripod. It's a feedback loop between the gyros and the motors.

There is also an argument that says IS can add blur to an image at very high shutter speeds. This comes particularly from Nikon users and there are lots of lengthy internet threads about at. All of them are lacking any pictorial evidence; it's a theory that doesn't stack up IMHO. Likewise, IS said to affect bokeh - really? How? Why? Just another theory from the purist Luddites ;) :D

Actually, I would say the opposite, and I have seen clear evidence of IS helping at much higher shutter speeds than the hand-holding 'rule' suggests, especially if you are a bit shaky or really want to get the last drop of sharpness out of a high pixels sensor. Camera shake doesn't just disappear at higher shutter speeds, it is merely reduced to an acceptable level, and from my own testing, IS always raises that level.

Another thing, in-lens stabilisation also steadies the viewfinder image which is a real help when framing with long lenses. In-camera stabilisation doesn't do this.
 
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I have a small card attached to the screw on my tripod head which says
'VR OFF'.

I have to remove the card to mount the camera.

There's clever. :D

D in W
 
As has already been said, with most modern lenses you can leave I.S on (Canon at least I do not know about Nikon) when shooting on a tripod. Further more it is a distinct advantage to leave it switched on when using a tripod.
This is supported by Canon's Chuck Westfall who states that using I.S.on a tripod is actually beneficial for the tripod sensing lenses "In 2000 Canon released the next generation IS professional lenses. These lenses feature a "tripod-detection" mode which means that there is no problem using IS on a tripod. Even more than that - IS will correct vibrations caused by the mirror operations of the camera".
 
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