Triggers - D810 + SB900

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I can't justify £150+ on Pocketwizards until I know how much I'm going to be using them.

Can anyone suggest a cheaper alternative that will work with the SB900's?

I've been volunteered for a primary school prom on Friday and I but don't fancy relying on the built-in IR trigger and I'd like to play around more with strobes.

ITTL if possible but can always go fully manual.

I've got the built-in Lencata one for my Lencarta studio lights but it would be nice if the triggers worked with those too.

thanks
 
The PW flex’s became a joke years ago*.
Not only is the YN622 system much cheaper, it’s more reliable too.

* though there are a hardcore of ‘brand’ fanboys who refuse to accept this.

Everyone I know who used them, sold them and replaced them with Yongnuo.

Though gradually we’re now all moving to Godox.

Definitely look at the x1n receiver compatibility with the SB900 too.
 
Nice one Phil, I'll have a look.

Tbh, I used to be very active here but moved away as it was getting a little hostile in places. As I only shoot 5-8 weddings a year on top of my full-time job, the part-time job and full-time parenting I've completely lost touch of the brand and tech side of the industry.
 
The PW flex’s became a joke years ago*.
Not only is the YN622 system much cheaper, it’s more reliable too.

* though there are a hardcore of ‘brand’ fanboys who refuse to accept this.

Everyone I know who used them, sold them and replaced them with Yongnuo.

Though gradually we’re now all moving to Godox.

Definitely look at the x1n receiver compatibility with the SB900 too.


And then when the X1 system did all I needed (as in full light setup and trigger system) I sold the 622s as well

The PW flex system promised so much but I never felt it delivered what I needed

Mike
 
The Godox work well on my Nikon SB speedlights I have the X1N Trigger and X1R receiver. I leave speed light in TTL fitted to X1R and both TTL and manual control is done from the trigger on camera :)
Its a brilliant system with all my 4 camera systems :)
 
I just use pocket wizard plus x’s.(manual only)

I use them for the utter simplicity (practically no buttons) and rock solid durability and build quality. If I’m being honest they also look ‘cool’ aloft your cam!

I have used cheaper Chinese triggers and that includes you godox but they feel very cheap plastic and aren’t as realiable as the PW’s.

That said PW are overpriced but I got a cheap bundle of eBay.
 
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I have used cheaper Chinese triggers and that includes you godox but they feel very cheap plastic and aren’t as realiable as the PW’s

But the OP is asking about TTL triggers, and the PW’s aren’t more reliable than the Chinese ones.
 
But the OP is asking about TTL triggers, and the PW’s aren’t more reliable than the Chinese ones.
From the OP

ITTL if possible but can always go fully manual.

Reference reliability I can only speak from my own experience.
 
From the OP

ITTL if possible but can always go fully manual.

Reference reliability I can only speak from my own experience.
Yes, and I from mine ;), I sold my PW flex triggers due to reliability issues that cost me shots at 2 weddings. :mad:

If the question was ‘rock solid fully manual triggers’ the PW’s are undeniably market leaders (and what I’d recommend), but technology has moved on (a lot) and PocketWizard are in financial trouble for the same reason Bowen’s went bust. They’re not keeping up with the market. The OP is definitely looking at the PW flex system (presumably because he’d prefer to have control), and as everyone who has used them has pointed out, it’s just not good compared to the competition.
 
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ITTL if possible but can always go fully manual.

Reference reliability I can only speak from my own experience.

PW

Over priced
Over hyped
and unfortunately Over here

everyone I have ever talked to that owned PW has been happy to see the back of them and I have talked to quite a few people about them

Mike
 
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The PW flex’s became a joke years ago*.
Not only is the YN622 system much cheaper, it’s more reliable too.

* though there are a hardcore of ‘brand’ fanboys who refuse to accept this.

Everyone I know who used them, sold them and replaced them with Yongnuo.

Though gradually we’re now all moving to Godox.

Definitely look at the x1n receiver compatibility with the SB900 too.

PW lost the plot when they introduced the FlexTT5 TTL radios. Before then, they were just overpriced. Back in 2012 when their new TTL system came out it was the flakiest thing ever. Even Joe McNally, who was working with them couldn't get them to work reliably and said as much (on page 237 of "Sketching Light"). He even put together a "startup procedure" that he'd found had the best chance of the different bits talking to each other. It reads like a Voodoo ritual and includes things like "Turn your lens VR off" (!) and "Use the 'top down' turn-on sequence religiously. Flash, Flex, Mini, camera". Yeah, like I'm going to do all that in the middle of the Krypton Factor that makes up most of my shooting experience (ie I have one maybe two goes to get it right before the subject wanders off...). I also remember at the time when I looked at getting these (TTL over radio back then was akin to the Holy Grail - most radio flashes were trigger only, and almost all of the more complex ones were proprietary systems for big lights - and even then they only allowed remote manual power adjustment) was that even if you bought a couple of FlexTT5s or a Flex and a MiniTT1 transmitter, you needed to buy another shonky looking widget called the "AC3 Zone controller" that sat on top of the Flex and allowed you to dial in compensation on the 3 flash groups. As I had Nikon cameras and flashes which even back then could do full TTL or remote manual using either the pop-up twinkle light or a camera mounted SB800 or 900 to send the data and commands, this just seemed like a complete lash-up, and an expensive one at that. Sure, radio would be nice as the Nikon system used flash pulses. It's a myth that they needed "line of sight" tbh as it would work just fine with the master flash signals bouncing off walls, floors and ceilings around corners but in some scenarios (high ambient light levels, or just no route for the light to bounce around) it would not work.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfTR3QtbDbU
You could get around it by putting the master flash on the end of an SB28 cable several metres away from the camera - and these could be daisy chained - to allow the master to be in a better place to instruct the flashes and Joe's books are full of such lash-ups but hey - I wanted simple! Pocket Wizard's Flex system though, looked just as complex, and, if anything, less reliable.

When the Yongnuo 622's came out - I didn't really do any such research as they were £25 a piece. So I bought 3. I went at it lashing 4 SB900's to one YN622 via a 4-way PC-Sync cord to freeze some dance shots http://owenlloydphotography.com/?p=1266 It worked wonderfully, and I didn't need to adjust the power for this - it was bound by the flash duration and so all of them were on 1/4 power - permanently, to give the equivalent of a full power flash at 1/4 power duration. The new radio triggers allowed me to trigger them inside a softbox, every time. However, these YN622 transceivers (the trigger is the exact same unit as the receiver) had no screen and adjusting the power of TTL compensation of each group was a done via semaphore and reading runes. Actually, no, there were no runes - you had to remember how many clicks you'd done in each group, after doing the little dance to select each group. I never used them like this: I couldn't afford to get into that maze with a subject in front of me.

A few months later though - Yongnuo fixed all this with the release of the YN622-TX - a dedicated transmitter with a screen on it, and cursor buttons. http://owenlloydphotography.com/?p=1525 I now have 6 YN622's and a couple of 622-TX's and it all works. If it does ever glitch - its always a battery issue for me - just replace the cells and of you go. Another nice touch on the 622-TX is it comes with a cable to connect it to the camera control port on my Nikons, which means I can fire the camera from any of the flashes using the test fire button on the YN622 receivers, or just hold another receiver.

Now if I was buying triggers Today, as Phil said, I would go for the Godox ones (and in fact I do have a Godox X-pro trigger, but haven't bought anything to trigger with it yet :p I just wanted to have a look before migrating everything to it). They have the same capabilities as the Yongnuo system but, they also control almost the full range of Godox lights from Speedlights to full size studio lights and all of the wonderful portable options in between - all from the same X-Pro trigger (you can't control the power on the older Godox studio lights even when fitted with the new 2.4Ghz receivers - it's trigger only and I don't know why - all the hardware is there). I may buy x1n's for my fleet of SB900's however it may be better to sell them all and replace with Godox Speedlights and a couple of AD200's (the receivers are built in on the current Godox lights, so less set-up time and less batteries to worry about).
 
I never had a reliability problem with the PW flex system having said that I never used it much as it was more of a hobby for me back then, my problem was ( and I've mentioned this several times before) was when I had a stand knocked over with a speedlight and PW on top, the flex TT5 hotshoe snapped off and a replacement hotshoe was £35 and that was me fitting it myself. Fast forward a couple of years and you can buy a whole Godox unit for that price, so I decided to sell my 4 set of flex PWs, and I think I sold them just at the right time as they don't seem to be worth much now. On another note how anyone can say the Godox pro trigger looks and feels cheap is beyond me, I think it's a great piece of kit that looks great on any hotshoe.
 
I used the Godox X1-R with Nikon SB600 and worked well.

I have the receiver for sale on the forum classifieds somewhere.
 
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