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This has been an issue with me for a long time, how can I record a video while walking? I have given a thought to getting a gimbal but that is more to carry let alone
adding weight and getting the right one. So not the answer I am looking for. Panasonic last year produced the G9ii with better image stabilisation . So maybe this was the answer as I already had the G9 earlier version.
In the Panasonic G9ii menu there is a feature that not only does IS but can be boosted I just found out, Having just got around to thinking about it and setting it up. so first attempt below and I don't think a gimbal is needed.

This is a quick "unedited " test in my back garden for IS only. Walking at for me normal speed I am happy with the result
View: https://youtu.be/Osvgq29iAs0
 
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Panasonic video stabilisation has been good for some time now, and I'm sure the G9ii firmware has improved on it.

As you can see from your video, it handles the "up and down" well, but the video setting does not stabilise the "left and right" component well.

This is obvious, otherwise you would get jerky panning.

However, when just walking, it is worth trying the full setting, if you don't need to pan.
 
Agree side to side has not been solved as well. The only thing is to do it slowly which helps
 
Oddly enough you will often find a decent smartphone will give better video stabilisation. I have tested this against my Sony A7CII and have encouraged others to give it a try. They have been as surprised as I was! It's quite disappointing really. But that's the reality.
 
Oddly enough you will often find a decent smartphone will give better video stabilisation. I have tested this against my Sony A7CII and have encouraged others to give it a try. They have been as surprised as I was! It's quite disappointing really. But that's the reality.


Yes, my daughter has a Samsung, and it looks like she is using a gimbal :) Takes excellent videos.

The Panasonics are quite good if you select normal mode and electronic. However, that is great for walking and similar, but not if you want to pan, then you have to set to panning mode and lose the horizontal stabilisation component.
 
Panning all depends on the speed of the pan. as a rough guide I use the 7 to 9 second rule which you may not know about. If an object is on one side of a camera screen then count 7 to 9 seconds to go to the opposite side. This slows down how fast one pans
 
What content/story are you filming? I ask because unless the walk itself is the "hero" of the content then a small amount of movement should not matter, in fact it keeps it natural.
 
Phil no content/story at the moment as I am still finding my way around the Pana G9ii camera. i don't think I will be using the Pana G9ii for video work for one reason.
Just been in the back garden watching the DSP display on the back screen and what did I find? you can set the F stop no problem, but the camera with at 25fps the shutter speed varies considerably and you can't lock it off. this is what I mean.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzU8uM-1mXI

It doesn't matter whatever setting ie contginuous focus or even in Manual mode or not.

Now I have with an prevous camcorder, always been able to set a shutter speed for videoing. So decided to get another camcorder As my Panasonic HC-X1500 had so many features in the menu I Never used, so P/x it for a Pana HC-VXF1 4K camcorder which arrives on the 28th tomorrow.
 
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Phil no content/story at the moment as I am still finding my way around the Pana G9ii camera. i don't think I will be using the Pana G9ii for video work for one reason.
Just been in the back garden watching the DSP display on the back screen and what did I find? you can set the F stop no problem, but the camera with at 25fps the shutter speed varies considerably and you can't lock it off. this is what I mean.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzU8uM-1mXI

It doesn't matter whatever setting ie contginuous focus or even in Manual mode or not.

Now I have with an prevous camcorder, always been able to set a shutter speed for videoing. So decided to get another camcorder As my Panasonic HC-X1500 had so many features in the menu I Never used, so P/x it for a Pana HC-VXF1 4K camcorder which arrives on the 28th tomorrow.

That video looks correct, it looks like you have it set to Aperture Priority, which means the shutter speed adjust to correct exposure. Would appear to be correct.
 
That video looks correct, it looks like you have it set to Aperture Priority, which means the shutter speed adjust to correct exposure. Would appear to be correct.

Which would also explain the inconsistent panning judder he's raised in another thread.
 
Thanks guys . I had not noticed until you all pointed it out. Now found out how to set Shutter speed. Just a question of still finding out about the camera.However I still get slight juddering even at 1/125sec. When camcorder comes will do a similar test

watch on full 27" screen at the fence

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXrdxU7Ka4w
 
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Thanks guys I found out how to set Shutter speed. However I still get slight juddering even at 1/125sec.

watch on full screen at the fence
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXrdxU7Ka4w

What's your fps for that video? 1/125s if you're using 25fps will be choppy. You should be looking at 1/50s for a smoother, more natural motion if you're at 25fps.

Honestly, give shutter angle a try and it will take away any need for working out shutter speed vs framerate. Shame to have such a high end feature that will make your life easier and not use it.

A quick calculation reveals your shutter angle for the above would 72 degrees which is far from the 180 degree sweet spot.

Give this a read for a better explanation.

 
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That looks more like fighting a stabilisation system than it does frame cadence issues (viewed on a screen that will go to 25/50 hz as appropriate). Is it on a mode that will affect pans?

As an aside, if you’re filming at 25 or 50 on most monitors you’ll get juddering from the uneven cadence as they run at 60hz. Not all though, so apologies if you know that and are on a VRR display or something set to 50/100 etc.
 
That looks more like fighting a stabilisation system than it does frame cadence issues (viewed on a screen that will go to 25/50 hz as appropriate). Is it on a mode that will affect pans?

As an aside, if you’re filming at 25 or 50 on most monitors you’ll get juddering from the uneven cadence as they run at 60hz. Not all though, so apologies if you know that and are on a VRR display or something set to 50/100 etc.

This is very true, I hadn't even got on to cadence and display pull-down but there's definitely a choppiness that I'm seeing on a display that is VRR compatible which can be attributed to the lower frame rate/faster shutter speed combo.

I just set 180 degree shutter for most things unless I'm looking for another kind of motion effect and balance exposure in other ways via aperture, ISO and NDs.

My camera has a similar stabilisation system to the OPs and I've never seen judder like that. However, I only use the regular mechanical IBIS rather than the extended electronic crop IBIS so I'm not sure if that could have an effect.
 
I think you have pointed me in the right direction. Setting the frame rate to 59.94 Hz (NTSC) is closer to the monitor of 60HZ. now I still have to check but videoing in the kitchen as definately stopped that jerkiness on the G9ii.
You guy are brilliant
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however the camcorder is a different matter. it only works on 25/30HZ and my monitore is 60 Hz
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I was saying that’s not the problem… you have other jerkiness in that clip that isn’t cadence. You might also see cadence issues on your equipment.

What are you shooting for, what’s the final intent?

I ask as shooting at nearly 60 will still get occasional stutter (as it’s not 60) plus the “smoothness” will look odd compared to a more normal 30.

Recording at a specific frame rate to work around limitations of your viewing equipment is a bit odd unless that’s the only place you’ll view it. Record at the frame rate and shutter angle to suit your creative intent (see the other comments above! It makes more of a difference). Have you tried repeated a test at different angles and comparing how they look and which you prefer?

I’d also suggest you presumably haven’t noticed cadence issues on other people’s video before, as if you had you’d be asking about that not the camera? So I’d not worry too much about it for yours, other than maybe shooting at 30fps if you’re doing a lot of slow pans.
 
I was saying that’s not the problem… you have other jerkiness in that clip that isn’t cadence. You might also see cadence issues on your equipment.

What are you shooting for, what’s the final intent?

I ask as shooting at nearly 60 will still get occasional stutter (as it’s not 60) plus the “smoothness” will look odd compared to a more normal 30.

Recording at a specific frame rate to work around limitations of your viewing equipment is a bit odd unless that’s the only place you’ll view it. Record at the frame rate and shutter angle to suit your creative intent (see the other comments above! It makes more of a difference). Have you tried repeated a test at different angles and comparing how they look and which you prefer?

I’d also suggest you presumably haven’t noticed cadence issues on other people’s video before, as if you had you’d be asking about that not the camera? So I’d not worry too much about it for yours, other than maybe shooting at 30fps if you’re doing a lot of slow pans.
59.94 is the actual broadcast frame rate for NTSC video and is equivalent to a single dropped frame over 16 or so seconds so basically not not perceivable.

It's basically a mathematical bit of jiggery pokery needed at the time before digital workflows and multi-refresh rate displays to maximise compatibility and output. You'll also see 23.976 as a 24 frame equivalent to ensure compatibility with 3:2 pull down.

None of this is helpful to the OP, so I apologise.

To simplify, I'd reiterate taking this back to simplification like you suggest. Set a shutter angle suitable for your output intent, choose a standardised frame rate and let your camera do the complex calculations for you.
 
I think you have pointed me in the right direction. Setting the frame rate to 59.94 Hz (NTSC) is closer to the monitor of 60HZ. now I still have to check but videoing in the kitchen as definately stopped that jerkiness on the G9ii.
You guy are brilliant
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however the camcorder is a different matter. it only works on 25/30HZ and my monitore is 60 Hz
zX


If you chose 30fps on your camcorder, that would display fine on your 60hz monitor because the frame rate is an even division into the refresh rate of the display. If you chose 25fps, you'd notice stuttering because the display is having to work out an uneven multiplication (25x2.4 to hit 60hz) which means it needs to duplicate 10 frames over the 1 second period to hit the 60hz. Some people are more sensitive to noticing the stutter caused by these repeated frames than others but I find it very noticeable as it seems you do too.
 
Adam I get your reasoning and does improve a bit but I might go back and get the Panasoninc HC-X500. At least The Pnasonic G9ii does 60fps so got that to fall back on if needed


no jittering only what I did in panning a lot better

View: https://youtu.be/MbTuDxPUw8s
 
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Update now have the HC-X1500 as it is reduced by £450 for November. P/X the VWX1 camcorder which made it even cheaper
 
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