What Nikkon FX?

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Hi,

I have been shooting with a Nikkon D7000 for a few years now, and as much as it is an amazing cam which I struggle to fault it's time for upgrade.

There will always be a place for the D7000 and plan to keep it as a second body.....Coupled with the 18-200 it's a great lightweight all rounder, but my progression in the photography world makes the move to full frame a no brainier. I travel a lot and much of my time is spent shooting landscape and wildlife. I plan to start my FX armoury with a Nikkor 16-35 and hopefully the new 200-500.

At the moment I'm struggling on which FX body to go for. I was weighing up the pros and cons of the D800 and the 810 at first. Although there are significant improvements on the D810, it has also had a large impact on the values of used D800s. As much as the D810 seems the obvious choice in straight comparison the price difference is a big deciding factor. I have seen low shutter count 800s for as little as £1100 where as 810s are still close to the 2k mark. For me traveling a big plus is the lighter weight of the 810, and the faster frame rate also means less requirement for a battery grip. The 810s ability to handle high ISO is also a big plus for me when hand holding long tele's shooting birds and wildlife. I think in terms of picture quality it would be difficult to tell them apart.....you would probably need to look damn hard anyway.

The big curve ball is the D750. Cheaper, Lighter, Faster, Expeed4, dual Sd, better battery life, built in wifi & the handy flip out screen. If the D750 had the same resolution I would be sold but can't help feeling I would be sacrificing image quality with the 750 in favour of technical features.

I'd love to hear your thoughts on this.

Ben.

P.s Sorry for the long post
 
The D750 is an amazing all rounder, and not the jack of all trades, master of none type either. Unless you need 36mpx and the few functions a D810 offers that the D750 doesn't, I'd get the D750 every day of the week.
 
I can understand why the OP might want a D810. It's not just about printing big. When shooting in FX mode the large sensor will all allow for some very generous cropping of the image due to the resolution, Many wildlife photographers / aviation photographers use it for this reason. Other general factors for consideration over the D750, faster shutter, quieter shutter, faster buffer, eyepiece shutter and better build quality. In real terms, there is very little difference in size and weight when handling. I
 
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I have the D810 as well as the D750, and whilst the D810 files are simply sublime (and with one of the nicest dampened shutters around), as said above, the D750 is no slouch, and ISO wise bests the D810 (and amazingly matches my D4 I had until about 6 months ago). As had been said a million times before, unless you print huge or crop severely (which BTW a 24mp FX sensor will also do quite nicely as well), then the D750 image quality is absolutely Superb..

I also have the D7200 and interestingly last night put the D750 along side it, and it's literally mm bigger overall (about 5mm wider and 2 mm taller), so you sort of get the best of both worlds. The size of a DX body and the quality of a FX one, albeit the FX lenses will be bigger (but obviously the same is true of any FX camera). If you are used to the control set and build quality of the 7xxx series DX cameras then I'm sure the D750 will be a natural progression for you in every way.

Don't get me wrong, I love my D810, and it's my go to Landscape camera and having a 10 pin remote terminal allows me to use my GPS with the D810 as well, but for most shots it's either the D750 (or D7200 for wildlife reach), or for travel my Olympus M43 setup.

It's good to have choices.
 
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…the large sensor will all allow for some very generous cropping of the image due to the resolution…I
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Absolutely true in my case. For magazines, my D3X is more than enough. The same
applies to wildlife magazine but the D800E provides me the extra reach well over my
gear will permit.
 
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I don't regularly print large, but I think the main concern is as blank_canvas pointed out the additional resolution will offer better subject detail and the ability to further crop where required without losing too much detail. I don't buy in to the whole DX offers better Reach and realise in theory it would be the same image produced on an FX body pre-cropped by the sensor, so this considered the D750 will be a step backwards in terms of pixel size to my current D7000 when accounting for the 16.2mp 1.5x crop, where as the D810 in DX mode is very close to that of the D7000. I also feel the paying the extra for the D810 will future proof my needs?

The other concern is the buffer size on the D750. On a recent trip to Montana I struggled with my D7000 shooting continuous RAW. As much as I think its a great camera the buffer size is not great, and although the D75O will offer improvement, it isn't significant. I cant comment on the shutter noise as I have not had an opportunity to have a play with 750, but this could also be a large drawback when shooting wildlife in isolated locations.
As sootchucker also pointed out though its a big plus for me that the 750 is close to that of the 7000 in its size, weight and layout. Its an easy transition and the weight saving is a big plus. This would be less of a concern though once used to the camera and learning to work with its limitations.

There's some great arguments here for and against....Its the answers I was hoping to hear to aid my decision :-)

Ben.
 
As with sootchucker above we have and use both, you won't go wrong with either. In terms of IQ the D810 is the better camera, but it is sooo close to the D750 for many applications it makes it really hard to justify the extra cost, size and weight. Having said that the D750 is definitely better in low light, but then the D810 feels much more solid in the hand. If I could only have one camera it would be the D810, but I'd really miss the 750's AF and low light abilities at times.
 
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Another thing to consider with the D810 is have you got the computer capacity to process the larger files. It could be another expense to consider as a whole package.

If I had the money and the weight wasn't to much for me, I would have gone for the D810 for the cropping ability over the D750, as for most bird photogrpahy you are cropping most photos. Well I am.
 
Swanseajack said:
Another thing to consider with the D810 is have you got the computer capacity to process the larger files. It could be another expense to consider as a whole package.

If I had the money and the weight wasn't to much for me, I would have gone for the D810 for the cropping ability over the D750, as for most bird photogrpahy you are cropping most photos. Well I am.
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I have a reasonably powerful 2014 Imac that copes with everything I throw at it so I shouldn't have any worries there.

That's my main worry....Its such a difficult one; in terms of features, and physical dimensions the D750 wins hands down, but image quality will always be important and cant help thinking that by choosing the D750 I will always be wishing id had chosen the D810 when it comes to the post processing stage.
 
I have a Nikon DF for sale in the classified section if you want to go the other direction and have 16MP D4 files with a few more manual controls. But the cams listed above do have newer tech.

Lots of choice. Have fun with your decision!
 
Swanseajack said:
Another thing to consider with the D810 is have you got the computer capacity to process the larger files. It could be another expense to consider as a whole package.

If I had the money and the weight wasn't to much for me, I would have gone for the D810 for the cropping ability over the D750, as for most bird photogrpahy you are cropping most photos. Well I am.
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It's a fair point you make but with external 2TB hard drives available for under £100 these days I don't personally think this is a major issue. However, it is a potential Ezra cost and one to bear in mind.
 
For me as well another win for the D750 (albeit a minor one), is twin SD card slots, vs One SD and one CF in the D810.

Using SD cards I can slip them in my Macbook Pro without having to attach a CF card reader or tether the camera to the computer via USB (or course one can also transfer the images via Wifi on the D750 too).
 
Chivs33 said:
I have a reasonably powerful 2014 Imac that copes with everything I throw at it so I shouldn't have any worries there.

That's my main worry....Its such a difficult one; in terms of features, and physical dimensions the D750 wins hands down, but image quality will always be important and cant help thinking that by choosing the D750 I will always be wishing id had chosen the D810 when it comes to the post processing stage.
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I need to upgrade my puter as the procceing power of my PC is poor and the D750 slows it down in LR/PS, hopefully I can upgrade in a few weeks, but your sorted.

Get to a shop with some memory cards and try them both out.

I can see why the D810 appeals for you and it will be a niggle in the back of your mind of "what if" if you dont go for it. But........I have owned the D7000 & D7100 and currently the D750 and IMO theres a big jump in performance and you will see a big upgrade from your current D7000 and the savings may help you get your 16-35 or 200-500 quicker if you choose the D750.

Decisions, Decisions..............:D
 
I'm in the same situation months ago, deciding between the Nikon D810 and D750. Users already pointed the strength of each cameras, just want to add, and this is only on personal view, I find the D810 handling much better. The grip on the D750 is smaller for me, not that have big hands. You might want also to consider this before deciding on what to get :)
 
minnnt said:
Sounds like you've already made your mind up so just go for the D810.
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Ha does it seem that obvious! :-) I think if it wasn't an extra £800, your right I think the D810 would have the edge, but I cant ignore how well specced the 750 is for such a large saving.....As Swanseajack commented though, will I always be niggled that my images after cropping and processing could have been better?

popeyebx said:
I'm in the same situation months ago, deciding between the Nikon D810 and D750. Users already pointed the strength of each cameras, just want to add, and this is only on personal view, I find the D810 handling much better. The grip on the D750 is smaller for me, not that have big hands. You might want also to consider this before deciding on what to get :)
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I take it you bit the bullet and bought the 810? What was your main deciding factor?
 
We have a few Nikon camera bodies at the moment we have a D4S, D810, D800 and 2 X D750.

The D750 is a really great camera as are the others, personally though I prefer the pro bodies for handling and the D750 also lacks an easy way to close of the viewfinder if you do a lot of long exposures for example this can be a bit of a pain as you have to remember to bring the silly little plastic eye piece cover with you. Also depending on how you shoot 1/4000 shutter speed could also be an issue especially if you shoot wide open a lot.

If it comes down to a choice between the D810 and the D800 tbh if it was me would probably just go with the D800. The D810 does feel quicker to use the a.f may be very slightly better but it is no where near a £1000 better and I can't see any difference at all in image quality from either.
 
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Are you set on buying a UK body?

Panamoz have the D810 for £1500...

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And yes, pretty obvious. :P

I have the D750 and tbh it's excellent. The files are a dream to work with. Do i want a D810? Yes. But it would cost me £700+ to swap so I'm definately not in any rush to do so.
 
I think with a 750 you'll see the best of camera more often (all of the time) than you may with an 810. I agonized over this before going with a 750. I believe you need to be careful with technique to achieve the best results with an 810 and the very best lenses.
I had to have a word with myself and tell myself to be as concerned with the art of photography as with the specs and a lust list! It was the best advice I gave myself! :clap:

There's nothing cheap or sub-standard about the build of the 750 either. There are some nice materials used, including carbon composite and magnesium. I came from a D700 so I also appreciate the build quality that pro bodies give.

It's clear that the 810 is an awesome camera though when you get the best from it.
 
Chivs33 said:
I have a reasonably powerful 2014 Imac that copes with everything I throw at it so I shouldn't have any worries there.

That's my main worry....Its such a difficult one; in terms of features, and physical dimensions the D750 wins hands down, but image quality will always be important and cant help thinking that by choosing the D750 I will always be wishing id had chosen the D810 when it comes to the post processing stage.
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Image quality or resolution??
IQ on the 750 is staggering. Especially retained shadow detail...among many other strong features.
 
Just picking up the FX cropping which I mentioned earlier. Now I'm a great advocate of composing the image in camera and picking the correct focal length for the job but sometimes no matter what's in your bag, a bit of PP cropping can be beneficial. There is quite a bit of sky and water chopped off here. This was just a grab shot as a Tornado flew overhead. The D810 has great cropping ability and will still allow some seriously large prints.

 
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Thanks for all your input it been a good help. ill be taking a look at prices closer to Christmas & then make my decision. I think it will come down to that really - The impression I get is the D750 is an amazing Camera well up to the task, but the 810s smaller brother for good reasons.....I will happily go for a 750 based on the comments as those that own them and commented seem to be more than happy with how it performs, but if budget allows the 810 will hopefully mean I wont be looking to upgrade so soon in the future.
 
Chivs33 said:
Thanks for all your input it been a good help. ill be taking a look at prices closer to Christmas & then make my decision. I think it will come down to that really - The impression I get is the D750 is an amazing Camera well up to the task, but the 810s smaller brother for good reasons.....I will happily go for a 750 based on the comments as those that own them and commented seem to be more than happy with how it performs, but if budget allows the 810 will hopefully mean I wont be looking to upgrade so soon in the future.
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Which ever camera you decide you won't be disappointed, they are both very capable tools and both are a joy to use.
 
I also have a D7000 and am upgrading to a D750, but if I had the funds for a D8xx I'd probably get one. I don't doubt for a second that going from a D7000 to a D750 will be a huge jump. But if you have the money buy the best you can.
 
I didn't expect to be purchasing so soon, but I've just been offered a used D810 with a very low 1300 shutter count for a very reasonable price which I think I will go for. Can anyone tell me if the 810 suffered from any of the left focusing issues of the 800 or were these issues ironed out long before the 810 was released?

Ben.
 
As deadlock said all the AF issues, green LCD issues, lock ups etc that affected some D800's, are not applicable to the D810 - it's pretty much perfect.

The long exposure hot pixel issue is well documented and Nikon issued a proactive warranty fix for this last year, and those that are not affected (or have been repaired), from memory have a small white dot inside the tripod socket on the base plate (sorry mines at home and I'm doing this from memory)..
 
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Sootchucker said:
The long exposure hot pixel issue is well documented and Nikon issued a proactive warranty fix for this last year, and those that are not affected (or have been repaired), from memory have a small white dot inside the tripod socket on the base plate (sorry mines at home and I'm doing this from memory)..
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The images I've seen show a black dot to indicate it has not been affected.
My d810 does not have a black dot but I have checked the serial number and it is not from the affected batch.
 
Thanks thats great il check for this. The guy wants £1250 inc delivery but its a UK camera purchased from Jessops 4 months ago with a shutter count of 1380. Thought a reasonable deal?
 
Sounds good. Why is he selling? Seems very cheap for a UK body... He's lost what, £1.1k in just over 4 months?? Even i wouldn't be happy with that and i change cameras like no tomorrow...

Do you have any support with regards to warranty?

£1507 at Panamoz and comes with a 3 year warranty...
 
minnnt said:
Sounds good. Why is he selling? Seems very cheap for a UK body... He's lost what, £1.1k in just over 4 months?? Even i wouldn't be happy with that and i change cameras like no tomorrow...

Do you have any support with regards to warranty?

£1507 at Panamoz and comes with a 3 year warranty...
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I know what your saying....always makes me nervous with these transactions. I have tried suggesting i collect. Its a 2hr drive to collect but would be more comfortable in doing so. He has Nikon lenses for sale in other ads which sort of backs up his story he's selling to change to Canon.
I presume it will still have the remaining 20 months UK warranty?

I am so tempted by panamoz.....Theres just such a mixed bag of views on buying Grey imports and will the warranties be as good as those through UK retail?

I think theres less risk with lenses....I noticed they have the new 200-500 for £980! :-)
 
Well afaik Nikon warranties aren't transferable between owners?

Panamoz honor the warranty themselves so should anything go wrong then they sort it for you by getting you to send it to a UK repair place and they pick up the bill. I have used them for quite a few bits and pieces and they have never ever failed to amaze me. Their customer service is some of the best you will ever experience.
 
minnnt said:
Well afaik Nikon warranties aren't transferable between owners?

Panamoz honor the warranty themselves so should anything go wrong then they sort it for you by getting you to send it to a UK repair place and they pick up the bill. I have used them for quite a few bits and pieces and they have never ever failed to amaze me. Their customer service is some of the best you will ever experience.
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I take it you have had positive experience with buying previous bodies from them? Feel free to flame me down if this is a daft question, but is there any physical differences on the camera ie menu settings etc?
 
Nope. None at all. All that MAY be different is that you get a 2 pin plug and adapter rather than a 3 pin plug.

I've bought a Fuji X-T1 and Nikon D750 from them before with no issues what so ever.

They're very swift with regards to answering any questions and dealing with any warranty claims etc from what I've read on here.

I think i could be tempted by the used one if it was a little closer (in your situation) but a brand spanker with warranty for an extra £250 with no travelling costs and at the end of a click is also tempting.

If you're not in any rush then stick by your D7k for a few more months and see if the price drops any lower. Panamoz prices tend to fall a lot, especially if the £ isn't fairing particularly well.

Your call though... Nothing like a new toy... :D
 
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I take it you have had positive experience with buying previous bodies from them? Feel free to flame me down if this is a daft question, but is there any physical differences on the camera ie menu settings etc?
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I got my D750 and 24-120 lens from them (Panamoz) and it came with a UK 3 pin plug, so was exactly as one you would buy in a UK shop - as minnt says, they seem excellent and I had great communications with Tina, down to her congratulating my daughter on her exam results (yeah, we did chat via a couple of emails, and she had the time to answer all my questions and more..)
 
minnnt said:
Nope. None at all. All that MAY be different is that you get a 2 pin plug and adapter rather than a 3 pin plug.

I've bought a Fuji X-T1 and Nikon D750 from them before with no issues what so ever.

They're very swift with regards to answering any questions and dealing with any warranty claims etc from what I've read on here.

I think i could be tempted by the used one if it was a little closer (in your situation) but a brand spanker with warranty for an extra £250 with no travelling costs and at the end of a click is also tempting.

If you're not in any rush then stick by your D7k for a few more months and see if the price drops any lower. Panamoz prices tend to fall a lot, especially if the £ isn't fairing particularly well.

Your call though... Nothing like a new toy... :D
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It does make sense what your saying....I'm in no rush. Tbh I'm very old school when I buy things second hand and generally have no issues if it means I can hand over the cash face to face and shake hands. I'm always very hesitant transferring large funds blind with Minimal protection. I wasn't aware there may be issues transferring warranties either.

Your right though.....nothing like opening that box knowing it's a brand spanker!
 
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