Which do you use as a rule..

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I have been playing in lightroom with the various crop overlays,

Rule of Thirds
Golden Ratio
Diagonal Lines
Triangles 1 and 2
Golden Mean 1 and 2

As a rule which do you normal use when composing your images in during the crops stage, this is of course if you have not managed to obtain the perfect comp in camera.

Nigel
 
whichever is best for that particular shot!
 
I use the Rule of Thirds but that is only because I didn't know there were any others! :bonk:

Thanks Nigel, I'd better heed my own advice and RTFM. :D
 
I use the Rule of Thirds but that is only because I didn't know there were any others! :bonk:

Thanks Nigel, I'd better heed my own advice and RTFM. :D

When you are in the crop mode press "O" to change the overlay mode.

Regards

Nigel
 
I use the Rule of Thirds but that is only because I didn't know there were any others! :bonk:

Me either... but I wouldn't as I use PSP X2.

I am intrigued though - what the bejezus is the Golden Ratio?
 
I've not got to the crop overlays page in Mr Evenings book yet so I only knew about the thirds too :)
 
are there crop overlays in PS too????
 
Aren't all the options fairly closely related anyway?

TBH, when I'm cropping (in PS), I just look at the general composition and crop to how I think it looks best.
 
When you are in the crop mode press "O" to change the overlay mode.

Regards

Nigel

Thanks Nigel! :thumbs:

Wow - another new feature on LR. Thanks Nigel

Paul

Ooh Is this in LR 1.4 or only in 2?

oo!!..i like the curly one..:D

I've not got to the crop overlays page in Mr Evenings book yet so I only knew about the thirds too :)

Crop overlays???? :shrug: Blimey....it's time I bought a manual!! Thanks for the tip...............runs off to load up Lightroom.......

Glad it's not just me then. :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
All of them in no particular order.
I try and merge several at time in my head to help compose a shot, and I'll use cropping as a way to trim the frame to the desired initial view I wanted, as it seldom fits in with the cameras standard frame size.


You not got the spiral one then? Upside down or flipped.

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Hello Mate...

That one is called the Golden Mean, (He says crossing his fingers hoping he is right....) Spoke to Tony today and thought it was about time we had a wander.

Let me know what days best for you this week, and I will see if I can work round it..

Nigel
 
Probably pretty close you'll find Luke....the rules are flexible guides and not by a long way always useful either.



Hello Mate...

That one is called the Golden Mean, (He says crossing his fingers hoping he is right....) Spoke to Tony today and thought it was about time we had a wander.

Let me know what days best for you this week, and I will see if I can work round it..

Nigel

Ah yeah your right, I was thinking/reading GM was GR ...even though you've written both. :bonk:

Late afternoons are good for me ...thursday and friday especially...anyuse?
 
didnt know there was that many!, just getting to grips with rule of thirds, now my head hurts, oooowwwwwwww!!! WHY!!!
 
There are RULES!!!!????

:lol:
 
maximum amount of breastage usually works for me :lol:

I don't use rules


I have been playing in lightroom with the various crop overlays,

Rule of Thirds
Golden Ratio
Diagonal Lines
Triangles 1 and 2
Golden Mean 1 and 2

As a rule which do you normal use when composing your images in during the crops stage, this is of course if you have not managed to obtain the perfect comp in camera.

Nigel
 
As with most of the 'rules' i've read all about them then just dismissed as just being a form of limiting your creative thought. The majority of my pictures will fit to one or the other if I go looking at them. Although thats how they where thought up, just by looking at popular pictures and finding the common ground so generally speaking a scene that is pleasing to your eye will probably follow some of them.

For me however it's not really a cognitive process.
 
A good well cropped shot may or may not fit any of the so called "Rules"

I suppose you could try some, and if any fit your finished picture, say what a cleaver fellow you are.

Fitting things to a rule, as an after thought, is only a little worse than using them in the first place.

Rules were not use by the early artists, they were invented by others analysing the great works much later.

That is why there are so many "rules" individually they could not be made to fit very often.
 
I'm only aware of the rule of thirds, although I have heard about the triangle one, but don't know quite how it works. I guess a triangle is important for placement of areas of importance.
 
Funny things these rules/guides really, whether you find them useful or not I'm yet to see a good photograph, taken without any thought to the rules, not actually fit in with the rules.

Seems like an odd statement at first until you realise where the rules came from. As stated above early artist work was the source of initial understanding when studied by academics. They realised all the good scenes could be fitted within a few mathematical patterns …called now, the composition rules.

However the artists didn't have these rules in mind when they painted, they had there own versions of what makes a good compositions constantly refined and corrected throughout their life span..

So what where these artists, gods, no they where simply following there intuition with confidence, they'd learnt that one way of portraying a scene was better/prettier than another.

So can we argue Its that same intuition that a photographer may use today, I certainly feel I do, and would suggest we all do.

TP had a question a few months ago… ‘How do the composition rules make for a good photo’ (something like that)

This was my answering post … with a bit of added editing for this thread.

‘A composition either works or doesn’t, its not down to fitting the rules in anyway, it’s about the rules being a useful aid to make the composition.
When a composition works it’s because it satisfies fundamental natural relationships with how humans view what’s good, (beautiful) and bad, (ugly) via the natural selection characteristics in built within our DNA to aid us to populate, prosper and survive…
A good composition ‘pleases the eye’ or rather pleases your cool DNA spotting senses.
Why, well one of the words is symmetry. …everything natural has it, designers strive to nail it, its natures blue print of what works and what doesn’t.
A beautiful human face is full of symmetry, as is a stunning human body, the female form ..From an apple to the curve of a trunk of full healthy tree on an horizon, the petals of a rose, that point at which the first leaf junctions its stem …evolution has chosen what fails and what survives, and as intelligent descendants we can naturally see these things as what’s beautiful and what’s not … Tell me you find Girls Aloud unattractive and I’ll call you a fibber right.
We’ve learnt some of natures tricks, as did the passed artistic masters, and the ‘composition rules’, guidelines really, are adapted from some of them. Some from the great artists of the passed, and some from sciences understanding of natures templates.'
--

Its not a coincidence, beauty/composition is actually in the eye of the beholder … and we all have the ability to tell the difference.

Hope that makes some sence... Just my opinion. ;)
 
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