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get that lot done and your onto a winner there mate....
md
Keeping within those guidelines then...
How's this ???
http://www.talkphotography.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=104992
:shrug::shrug::shrug:
DD
get that lot done and your onto a winner there mate....
md
The people who are in the frame of mind that everything has to be technically 'correct' are also the people who don't see past the technicalities, so to speak.
I took this one in New York, and I love it, regardless of the fact that it is technically flawed in almost every aspect
(I won't steal the thread, just a diddy shot
Tis a fair comment that you would have liked to see it sharper MD, not getting at you in particular here but you just qualified my point for me there. looks soft, shame it's soft. But it's SUPPOSED TO BE SOFT!
Soz m8 - must be having a serious thicky moment...
What does 'From a photographers point of view they're just too generic' mean, simple English please
And, what's this all about...
It would just be nice if people could maybe appreciate the actual photography a little more; a smooth bokeh over a nice cityscape background or something like tht.
I don't get how that has much, if anything, to do with portraits and soft/sharp imaging
DD - the thick one
And the short answer is, Because that's what people buy !!!
most people will not go for anything to creative as they would not understand whats been done or why ....
What an odd thing to say. Also, they've got these things called paragraphs now
this a great thread and really interesting to me and although I'm not sure what i want to say is on topic for the OP, it's certainly sort of moved into that area - for the last 18 months or so i've been toying with photography really because a lot of the shots are not 'technically' correct or perfect, and some people look at them and go 'wuuhh?' and others go 'wow!'. This had made me really unconfident and sort of stopped me taking pictures because I was thinking they weren't right - and the ones I did take I wasn't comfortable posting. This picture I took (also in NYC ) is one of those similar to those foodpoison describes...
Technically it's rubbish (and you might think it's rubbish too, that's ok!) but so many people have said to me that they love it and think that it represents a real feel how busy and chaotic Grand Central station is - and that it's a bit different to the norm (also looks great on canvas ). In terms of selling pics, you've obviously got to do what sells, but it's a shame that people are often so unwilling to accept that not everyone wants to do everything in exactly the same way, and just because it's different and technically 'incorrect' doesn't mean that it's any less creative, or impressive, or even worthy because of it. I've made the choice to take the photographs that I want to take and get the results that I want to see with my eyes, rather than with my brain (if that makes sense!) but I'm sure people will tell me that they aren't right (i'm always happy to try and improve technically, but not at the expense of what I want to achieve.)
I also think that if you compare photography with old-time artists, then it wasn't always about what was in the picture, it was what the picture represents. A painting of a child painted in the same way as the photograph would have reprented a glow of goodness or something spiritual, and it's a shame that more people don't see what photographs represent rather than what they are.
Oops, that turned into a bit of a soapbox!
Hope that makes sense!
Maybe you should have posted it in the Fluffy Kitten section if you didn't want any C&C?
I mean that they're just very unimaginative. White background, f11, 100th/sec and fire away (I don't have exif reader installed here so I might be wrong, but you get the drift), which wasn't a dig at you. I was just saying it's a shame that people (clients) don't appreciate more artistic or individual portrait shots.
Again, I'm saying it would be nice if clients, instead of wanting plain white backgrounds and cliched poses, wanted something a bit more artistic. Varied backgrounds and lighting and whatnot. Obviously you have to shoot what's going to sell, but my point was that it's a shame that the clients have no taste!.
And if someone wants something to hang in the hall then that's going to be it whether you, as creative photographers, like it or not.
I love to be creative with my togging, I'll happily use very limited depths of field and colour in my pics but you do have to recognise what people will hang on their wall and DD does do it very well, so personally I'd congratulate him on having a winning formula and when white backgrounds DO go out of fashion I'm sure he will be right there selling the parent the next big thing.
You gotta pay the bills I guess but I would HATE to be doing this just because its what people buy. Screw creativeness, being artistic, growing as a photographer, pushing my own boundaries and trying to better myself on a daily basis. I've made a name for myself, a real solid respected name across the world by doing what I want. I do this for myself. It just so happens that people like it.
As for the shots, I agree with benneh. White background, lights in the same position and settings for every shot. Same aperture, same sync speed. Same ISO. Same as yesterday, last week, last month, last year. Same same same same same.
and DD does do it very well, so personally I'd congratulate him on having a winning formula and when white backgrounds DO go out of fashion I'm sure he will be right there selling the parent the next big thing.
You gotta pay the bills I guess but I would HATE to be doing this just because its what people buy. Screw creativeness, being artistic, growing as a photographer, pushing my own boundaries and trying to better myself on a daily basis. I've made a name for myself, a real solid respected name across the world by doing what I want. I do this for myself. It just so happens that people like it.
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see why your so popular pete..
your never wrong...
md
I would say that theres a difference between doing one style of photography day in and day out and knowing what shots you take will sell. I would imagine that I could be a half decent wedding photographer. Good money. I've had people ask me to shoot their wedding despite not marketing my self that way. They like my street / docu work and thats the style they want for their wedding. They want real photos not staged. I know theres a market for that. I could go for it if I simply wanted to make money, but I don't. I want to make money doing what I love.
Wish I was shooting studio portraits yesterday, instead of freezing my nutzz off rolling down a stony river bank in a pair of trainers, catching my death for a poxy head office poster.....worth about....3p.
I did get to shoot some film though besides that so...I dunno, sometimes ya gotta take the rough with the smooth to do what you want
can i make a suggestion, when you post a photo for comments, would it be a good idea to make a brief note about what processing you have done? this will avoid the inevitable 'its soft' comments!
changed my mind i like it and it looks fine to me..
md
Hmmm... now why don't I believe you
Sarky sod
DD
can i make a suggestion, when you post a photo for comments, would it be a good idea to make a brief note about what processing you have done? this will avoid the inevitable 'its soft' comments!
When critique is offered or responded to by people, why not do it without resorting to childish frikkin' name calling or arguing ffs!
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Sick of it.
Good point - but I didn't think it was 'inevitable' either - nor for that matter did I especially see it as 'soft' - the central part of this image is simply not sharpened and then diffuse glow was added to the whole image
I also didn't mind any of the debate that followed, and I think we had at least 3 lines of thought going on at some point too discussing how we critique images in general - which could be useful
Have we had a generalised 'How to critique an image' thread before???
If not, would it be useful for a general debate to start one based on my judging images under the Yorkshire Photographic Union's remit for such???
Not saying it's right at all - just a potentially good starting point to leap off of
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DD
it's really no big deal.
You cant tell people how to critique as each person will see a different thing,
you know what the image is supposed to look like, to anyone who doesnt, they will misinterpret your intention. It looks soft to me, but i wasnt sure if it was deliberate, after reading through i saw that it was, and so ignored that part and looked at the image as a whole
You cant tell people how to critique as each person will see a different thing, there is a forum etiquette guide, we think that is as close as it needs to be to a How To on critique.
Maybe not to you.
NightWell you are the one swearing and throwing your teddy out your pram, I'd suggest most politely to calm down and don't get so worked up.
I'm off to read my SWPP magazine and go to bed.