Why are the same pictures so different...Help??

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I took both these pictures within one minute why so different
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The EXIF also shows one as being Scene Capture Type: Landscape and the other Scene Capture Type: Portrait.....
 
I just don't understand why one looks yellow and the other White ........ Yes I know I used different settings but don't understand the yellow/White stuff
I was not conscious of changing ISO and also White balance 
 
ndwgolf said:
I just don't understand why one looks yellow and the other White ........ Yes I know I used different settings but don't understand the yellow/White stuff
I was not conscious of changing ISO and also White balance 
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Are you shooting in full auto mode?
 
If I remember rightly the first picture (the white looking one) was shot in Scene mode using Landscape the yellow looking picture was in "M" mode but I still don't understand why one would be white and the other yellow
 
one is set in auto exposure and the other is manual...that is why they are different. Read the exif.
 
I think you got your answer in Post No5 Landscape settings tend to produce a more vivid look while Portrait settings typically produce a warmer image, the yellower image is probably due to the warmer portrait setting.
 
ndwgolf said:
No I never shot in auto
98% of the time in M mode....... My teacher at Nikin would kill me if I used auto
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Prepare to die then ;)

You are shooting in auto - auto scene modes - and they don't get any more auto than that. Check their algorithms and you'll find the changes are in line with those.

The bigger questions are what are you doing using scene modes, and if you must, why portrait mode for that shot?
 
HoppyUK said:
Prepare to die then ;)

You are shooting in auto - auto scene modes - and they don't get any more auto than that. Check their algorithms and you'll find the changes are in line with those.

The bigger questions are what are you doing using scene modes, and if you must, why portrait mode for that shot?
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Thanks for your help.........MATE
 
ndwgolf said:
Thanks for your help.........MATE
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I don't think that was a dig fella, you said your teacher would kill you for shooting in auto and according to the EXIF data, that's what you did......
 
Russ77 said:
I don't think that was a dig fella, you said your teacher would kill you for shooting in auto and according to the EXIF data, that's what you did......
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What ever
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But at the end of the day I was just asking for help, as far as the second picture (yellow) was concerned it was shot in "M" not portrait and the white balance was auto and for some reason the ISO changed to 320 "I was not aware of making that change but with the size of my hands and the way I fumble around the phone I may well have accidentally done that. BUT again at the end of the day I was looking for...............the reason the two pictures were different was because of blaa blaa blaa blaaa blaaa (thats all).
Thanks
 
ndwgolf said:
What ever
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But at the end of the day I was just asking for help, as far as the second picture (yellow) was concerned it was shot in "M" not portrait and the white balance was auto and for some reason the ISO changed to 320 "I was not aware of making that change but with the size of my hands and the way I fumble around the phone I may well have accidentally done that. BUT again at the end of the day I was looking for...............the reason the two pictures were different was because of blaa blaa blaa blaaa blaaa (thats all).
Thanks
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The reason the pictures are different is because all the settings are different ;)
 
It's the white balance. If you shot raw it is very easy to correct with your software. Google for white balance if it isn't clear what I'm talking about.
 
ndwgolf said:
So any idea what made the second one yellow???????????
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I'm not familar with Nikon's scene capture modes, but as suggested above, that's probably what it applies automatically in Portrait setting.

The very first picture took of my wife turned out yellowish as well <snip>
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Auto white balance is always poor in artificial light. This one looks like it was shot under tungsten light, which is yellow/orange. Best to use the WB preset for that, or a custom WB setting, or correct it in post processing.

It's a nice shot, and not far off. You could correct that easily enough.
 
ndwgolf said:
So any idea what made the second one yellow???????????
The very first picture took of my wife turned out yellowish as well
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White Balance: Auto
Scene Capture Type: Landscape

:thinking:

You seem to be taking landscape shots using the Portrait mode and portraits using the Landscape mode :shrug:

Each of these modes applies a predetermined group of settings (iso, wb, aperture, shutter speed), if you must use the P settings it's probably best to use the one that fits the type of shot you're taking as the camera can't tell the difference between your wife and a boat on a lake ;)
 
Flash In The Pan said:
White Balance: Auto
Scene Capture Type: Landscape

:thinking:

You seem to be taking landscape shots using the Portrait mode and portraits using the Landscape mode :shrug:

Each of these modes applies a predetermined group of settings (iso, wb, aperture, shutter speed), if you must use the P settings it's probably best to use the one that fits the type of shot you're taking as the camera can't tell the difference between your wife and a boat on a lake ;)
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Not looked at the firsts two, but that last shot was taken in aperture priority. I'm assuming the capture type is referring to the profile applied to the JPEG. ie nothing to do with auto modes or any 'photographic' settings. It's simply the profile applied to the file, which you can set in post if you shoot raw.

@OP are you shooting JPEGs in camera? If so, that's why (along with the auto WB as already stated).
 
Jayst84 said:
@OP are you shooting JPEGs in camera? If so, that's why.
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I wouldn't say that it’s why per se, most cameras are perfectly capable of producing very good JPEG’s if the user understands and applies the settings correctly.

Shoot RAW and fix in PP seems to be the overwhelming advice, but I would suggest reading (and experiment) to see what each of the modes of the camera does e.g. using WB presets to change the look of a shot.

Having the setting(s) on your camera to suit the scenes you’re shooting makes sense even when shooting RAW, the camera uses this information to render the LCD image (and histograms) so if you are miles out with your settings your RAW data might not be what you were expecting. Plus, if you shoot RAW + JPEG, then sometimes even the JPEG can look good enough to use with no extra PP!

Just my 2 pence worth - Steve
 
Jayst84 said:
That's (partly) why the OP is seeing different colours. If the OP is shooting in raw, then the profile will have no effect and can be discounted.
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Yes, I agree totally, but then the OP would have to change settings in PP to achieve the look that he wanted. Without a good understanding of WB / Contrast / Saturation / Curves etc. it's unlikely that the images would be any better than a camera produced JPEG using a suitable scene mode.
 
irelanst said:
Yes, I agree totally, but then the OP would have to change settings in PP to achieve the look that he wanted. Without a good understanding of WB / Contrast / Saturation / Curves etc. it's unlikely that the images would be any better than a camera produced JPEG using a suitable scene mode.
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Maybe so.

But that's not the point of this thread, which was simply asking why the images appear different.
 
ndwgolf said:
What ever
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But at the end of the day I was just asking for help, as far as the second picture (yellow) was concerned it was shot in "M" not portrait and the white balance was auto and for some reason the ISO changed to 320 "I was not aware of making that change but with the size of my hands and the way I fumble around the phone I may well have accidentally done that. BUT again at the end of the day I was looking for...............the reason the two pictures were different was because of blaa blaa blaa blaaa blaaa (thats all).
Thanks
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Really starting to take exception to you fella!!!

People are trying to give you advice here and throw in a lil banter at the same time.

There was no need for the "What ever" comment was there?

As Flash in the Pan said, the two images are different because the setting used for each picture were different.

All images are controlled by shutter speed, aperture, ISO and white balance, change any of these for any given scene and the picture will come out different.

It's already been explained that portrait mode may use a different WB to say landscape mode or if you went to manual mode and WB wasn't in Auto then it could have been the last time you used Manual mode you left WB in "flash".

It could be even that the camera metered on a different part of the scene and that skewed the WB enough to give a different colour temp.

The possibilities are endless really.

What you could do is shoot a scene and deliberately try and make it go wrong by changing one setting i.e. set the shutter, aperture and ISO correctly and take 5 shots using different WB settings etc.
 
Russ77 said:
Really starting to take exception to you fella!!!

People are trying to give you advice here and throw in a lil banter at the same time.

There was no need for the "What ever" comment was there?

As Flash in the Pan said, the two images are different because the setting used for each picture were different.

All images are controlled by shutter speed, aperture, ISO and white balance, change any of these for any given scene and the picture will come out different.

It's already been explained that portrait mode may use a different WB to say landscape mode or if you went to manual mode and WB wasn't in Auto then it could have been the last time you used Manual mode you left WB in "flash".

It could be even that the camera metered on a different part of the scene and that skewed the WB enough to give a different colour temp.

The possibilities are endless really.

What you could do is shoot a scene and deliberately try and make it go wrong by changing one setting i.e. set the shutter, aperture and ISO correctly and take 5 shots using different WB settings etc.
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Great
Thanks for the advice
BTW........the "What ever" was just as you put it a wee bit of banter, just to get everyones attention
Just for your info the White Balance is set at Auto
Later
 
Flash In The Pan said:
White Balance: Auto
Scene Capture Type: Landscape

:thinking:

You seem to be taking landscape shots using the Portrait mode and portraits using the Landscape mode :shrug:

Each of these modes applies a predetermined group of settings (iso, wb, aperture, shutter speed), if you must use the P settings it's probably best to use the one that fits the type of shot you're taking as the camera can't tell the difference between your wife and a boat on a lake ;)
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that cracked me up :lol:

it's right though... good advice. :thumbs:
 
With all respect, get a good book and read up on ISO, apeture, white balance and shutter speeds. It is not easy when starting out but once you understand these you then you are in a position to use the manual modes and understand more about getting the pic right from the off.

It is alot to learn and a bit 'where do I start' to begin with hence me suggesting a book, I self taught myself mostly with trial and error but that took along time!

The yellow (as said) is becuase the image is 'warm' i.e a higher colour temp, a 'colder' (lower) temp will give it a more natural look. Indoors the camera always jumps up the temp when on auto WB setting. Try taking the same shot on each WB setting and see how it affects the photo.

I think that makes sense, sorry if its not clear.
 
This thread was a great help to me yesterday :)

My compact camera (Panasonic Lumix FX01) always leaves people with a jaundiced glow so I took the WB off auto and onto daylight and voila, no ill looking shots. I am new photography so I trusted it to set itself correctly :thinking:
 
Iris said:
This thread was a great help to me yesterday :)

My compact camera (Panasonic Lumix FX01) always leaves people with a jaundiced glow so I took the WB off auto and onto daylight and voila, no ill looking shots. I am new photography so I trusted it to set itself correctly :thinking:
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That's what it's all about! :D

I was in Nando's with my girlfriend and her family, her Mum was taking some photos with he Canon P&S but some people's hair was coming out ginger :lol:

I had a fiddle with the settings, changed the WB and told her to have another go (there were some "normal" bulbs and fluorescent tubes above us)....... To see the look on her face when the next shot came out with the right hair colour you'd have thought I'd just performed witch craft :lol:
 
The yellow is because it's on auto white balance, and it got it wrong. Simple. It can happen with auto - not often actually, but overcast/grey skies and lots of it may be why.

The actual colour temperatures don't seem to be saved but camera raw thinks it needs an adjustment of -50 on temperature and -8 on tint but that overdoes it, as I can see about -30, -35ish and maybe tint to -5 does it.

Or, you can use auto levels in photoshop/gimp etc, that'll probably get it about right.

As for other differences the background on the first is more in focus as it's at f11, the 2nd is f5.3.

The shutter speeds are 1/200 which as there's no noticeable blur at that size means that was probably about right, so the other at 1/4000s is a bit ridiculous really, it's why the aperture dropped to 5.3 instead of 11 and why the iso is at 320 instead of 100.

Does that help?
 
^^^^
thank you thank you thank you
At last an non smart a## answer
Sorry not all answers are smart a##
Anyway thank you for your simple to understand answer
 
ndwgolf said:
^^^^
thank you thank you thank you
At last an non smart a## answer
Sorry not all answers are smart a##
Anyway thank you for your simple to understand answer
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well, they say there is no such thing as a stupid question ..... but in this case, hmmmmmmmmmm
:D
 
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