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ST4 said:
I think thats an argument of the far left. The right wing don't want to exterminate whole races or classes, but rather control who comes in to our countries and to ensure people fit in with our ways rather than pander to the needs of the beliefs of people who are coming in.

Its like having a house guest, you wish to make them welcome, but you'd get irate if they complained about everything you did in your own home. You'd have a guest in you know you'd get along with, but not someone who is antagonistic to your ways.

Hungary and Slovenia get this. Merkel doesn't.
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You know many people have told you many times that analogy doesn't really work. And you also know that your view of 'far left' is also wrong.

You can't normalise hard right politics as right/centre by moving everything else left too. Those points are fixed. And considering all people as equal is enshrined in international law, not some far left pipe dream.
 
Phil V said:
You know many people have told you many times that analogy doesn't really work. And you also know that your view of 'far left' is also wrong.

You can't normalise hard right politics as right/centre by moving everything else left too. Those points are fixed. And considering all people as equal is enshrined in international law, not some far left pipe dream.
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It works perfectly.
 
Llamaman said:
So, mass slaughter is OK if someone else has killed more?

That certainly gives an insight into your character.
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Its about context and relativity. We here a lot about the Holocaust but very little about the purges. Its about the media's weighting towards the atrocities.

How many Christians are getting killed by ISIS. Is that mass genocide.
 
ST4 said:
Its about context and relativity. We here a lot about the Holocaust but very little about the purges. Its about the media's weighting towards the atrocities.

How many Christians are getting killed by ISIS. Is that mass genocide.
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Again, these atrocities aren't judged by the numbers killed but the motive, and it's the motive that links Hitler to your modern heroes.

As for ISIS; they're killing Muslims too (many more than the Christians they're killing)

Seeing ISIS as the obvious conclusion of Islam is ridiculous, IS are to Islam what the KKK are to Christianity. In reality they have nothing in common with 'religion', they're just thugs who've found a belief they think can justify their bad behaviour.
 
Phil V said:
Again, these atrocities aren't judged by the numbers killed but the motive, and it's the motive that links Hitler to your modern heroes.
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I don't see Orban and Le Penne trying for total Europe domination and extermination of other people. They just want to run their country and not have lots of immigration into it and controls who comes in.

You read that as National Socialism. I see it as pragmatism.

In reality the policies and motives of Farage, Le Penne and Orban have NOTHING in common with Adolf Hitler.
 
ST4 said:
I don't see Orban and Le Penne trying for total Europe domination and extermination of other people. They just want to run their country and not have lots of immigration into it and controls who comes in.

You read that as National Socialism. I see it as pragmatism.

In reality the policies and motives of Farage, Le Penne and Orban have NOTHING in common with Adolf Hitler.
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Do you think when Hitler came to power he was promising world domination?
 
Phil V said:
Do you think when Hitler came to power he was promising world domination?
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No, but please be intelligent about this. Le Penne and Orban are promising a more insular approach to society and foreign policy. I don't see it happening nor would the military prowess of either Hungary, France or the UK facilitate it nor would the public tolerate it.

Its a convenient argument of the left to shout Hitler at these politicians, but its very misguided and uninformed. Not wanting a whole load of Muslim immigrants and open borders does not make a Nazi.
 
ST4 said:
with a jihadist message. I for one don't want my head removed to the tune of allahu akbar because our limp govt wants to let loads of migrants in
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Which tune would you like used then?
 
ST4 said:
Left wing policies let these militant nuts into Sweden. Left wing people brought in left wing policies which let these nuts in.
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Only if we're calling everyone to the left of Hitler 'left wing'. The most right wing governments aren't keeping out Muslims, that fact alone doesn't make them left wing.

But as we keep pointing out, that's not the case. You don't have moderate views, your views are very far to the right, our government isn't left wing just because it's to your left, it's the most right wing government we've had in modern times. As I've shown you before, it's to the right of Mrs T, and she was the most right wing PM up to that point.
 
Phil V said:
Only if we're calling everyone to the left of Hitler 'left wing'. The most right wing governments aren't keeping out Muslims, that fact alone doesn't make them left wing..
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Slovenia and Hungary are the old states with any sense and pragmatism in this. Its like being a vegitarian and going to a meat eating competition. The values of sharia and these countries/cultures are alien to us. Why would we want to let them in.

Phil V said:
But as we keep pointing out, that's not the case. You don't have moderate views, your views are very far to the right, our government isn't left wing just because it's to your left, it's the most right wing government we've had in modern times. As I've shown you before, it's to the right of Mrs T, and she was the most right wing PM up to that point.
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I think you'll find a lot of people share my views on immigration, and have conservative anglo saxon values. Hence UKIP, BF/Pegida are strong movements.

Just because its the most right wing government we've had, doesn't make it particularly right wing...
 
ST4 said:
No, but please be intelligent about this. Le Penne and Orban are promising a more insular approach to society and foreign policy. I don't see it happening nor would the military prowess of either Hungary, France or the UK facilitate it nor would the public tolerate it.

Its a convenient argument of the left to shout Hitler at these politicians, but its very misguided and uninformed. Not wanting a whole load of Muslim immigrants and open borders does not make a Nazi.
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And Hitler was promising efficiently run government, investment in industry and infrastructure and control over 'non - German' ideologies.

Whether open borders are a good idea is the whole point of this debate, you don't help your cause by just asserting that it's obviously a bad thing, nor do you help it by leaning on Islamophobia to make your point.

But as we keep telling you, just stating its obvious, makes you look daft.
 
ST4 said:
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Just because its the most right wing government we've had, doesn't make it particularly right wing...
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Of course it does, again, being to the left of Hitler doesn't make it left wing.

Right wing thugs are nothing new, in the 70's and 80's they joined NF, the 90's BNP and now they're fans of Britain First, as each group falls apart it's replaced, because the foot soldiers remain the same, but the leadership are not bright enough to create a solid movement. Obviously they can't because it takes ignorance and stupidity to hold those views, which obviously means that proper leadership can never happen.
 
Phil V said:
And Hitler was promising efficiently run government, investment in industry and infrastructure and control over 'non - German' ideologies.

Whether open borders are a good idea is the whole point of this debate, you don't help your cause by just asserting that it's obviously a bad thing, nor do you help it by leaning on Islamophobia to make your point.

But as we keep telling you, just stating its obvious, makes you look daft.
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Hitler upto the warmongering part was a good thing for Germany. I don't see Farage, Orban or Le Penne doing that warmongering/killing people off bit.

I'm just fully upto speed about Islam, thats all and the pitfalls of having people that a Qu'ran abiding firstly as being an issue.
 
ST4 said:
I'm just fully upto speed about Islam, thats all and the pitfalls of having people that a Qu'ran abiding firstly as being an issue.
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Read this a couple if times and still don't understand what it means.
 
viv1969 said:
Read this a couple if times and still don't understand what it means.
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It means quite simply that often people from Islamic countries are more loyal to Islam than to Britain. They take customs from these countries that are unlawful here like forced marriage etc and practice sharia law and even in cases jihad. They frequently have no interest in assimilating but taking their ways here and making us pander to them.
 
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ST4 said:
It means quite simply that often people from Islamic countries are more loyal to Islam than to Britain. They take customs from these countries that are unlawful here like forced marriage etc and practice sharia law and even in cases jihad. They frequently have no interest in assimilating but taking their ways here and making us pander to them.
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It's pretty clear to anyone with eyes that you are about as far from "fully up to speed" regarding Islam as it's possible to be. You know only what you choose to be drip fed by your beloved Daily Mail.

You choose to completely ignore the fact that the extremists are in the tiny minority, and that hundreds of millions of Muslums go peacefully about their lives every day, hundreds of thousands of those here in the UK and as British as yourself.

Perhaps you don't ignore it; perhaps you simply can't comprehend the difference between those things which are fact, and your own profound fears.
 
viv1969 said:
It's pretty clear to anyone with eyes that you are about as far from "fully up to speed" regarding Islam as it's possible to be. You know only what you choose to be drip fed by your beloved Daily Mail.

You choose to completely ignore the fact that the extremists are in the tiny minority, and that hundreds of millions of Muslums go peacefully about their lives every day, hundreds of thousands of those here in the UK and as British as yourself.

Perhaps you don't ignore it; perhaps you simply can't comprehend the difference between those things which are fact, and your own profound fears.
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If I presented you with a bowl full of M&Ms and told you that a few were poisoned and eating one of the poisoned ones would kill you, would you eat from the bowl.

As I've told you. No Islam means no jihadists, no sharia, no whining over our ways and our cultural preservation.

What we are seeing is the Hirjah and spreading of Islam to our detriment. Orbans twigged, le penne has, Farage has, Golding has, the others haven't.
 
Annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd we're done, go take some images or something people
 
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