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Taken at night iso 400,F5,1/200th 20mm

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Tid Tug
 
sorry but I think that 20mm is a poor choice for these shots. You look too far away for my liking, maybe try a different approach next time?
Ricky
 
I used a wide angle lens in the past and got one or two good results.However it does mean that you have to get closer which can be quite dangerous so you have to pick your location carefully.

I would have tried a slower shutter speed to get some sort of movement in the cars as they look as if they are just parked at the moment.
 
agree the shutter speed of sub 1/100 with rear curtain sync on the flash.
 
Sub 1/100th would have rendered to image blurred and unusable,what you need for night time work is clarity and sorry with anything slower you would not get it.

20mm a poor choice well sorry that is twaddle,simply because you need that type of lens as I was only roughly 15feet away from the cars anything else and the car would not be central.

As for no movement in the cars well look again,the cars were coming form the right so they were handbraking to the left so how can the be stationary just look at the escort stationary huh



Tid tug
 
No need to be shirty, people give their advice to help people improve. Not that I know a great deal personally but the advice/comments you've given are to me very sound. Sorry to say this, but at best your photos are snaps which the aforementioned tips could help to improve - in my opinion!
 
Well if they are snaps well I would dealry like to see some of YOUR night time rally shots let alone the others who are so called experts who HAVE been critical come on lets see them


tid Tug
 
Tid Tug said:
Sub 1/100th would have rendered to image blurred and unusable,what you need for night time work is clarity and sorry with anything slower you would not get it.

20mm a poor choice well sorry that is twaddle,simply because you need that type of lens as I was only roughly 15feet away from the cars anything else and the car would not be central.

As for no movement in the cars well look again,the cars were coming form the right so they were handbraking to the left so how can the be stationary just look at the escort stationary huh



Tid tug
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Perhaps these should be moved to the Fluffy Kitten section - the op appears to be one of those photographic gods and above constructive criticism of his snap shots....
 
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erm Tid Tug do you want critique on these photos? I can move them to a section where you wont get any critiques if you are having hurt feelings.

My own personal opinion is that the that the position you have chosen doesnt give the maximum excitement for the casual viewer, as we were not there, we cant tell if they were parked or moving, the only one with obvious movement is in the rain.

Perhaps different flash settings would have helped to capture what you were seeing?
 
And also it is not good to call Photos snaps when they can not produce the goods themselves is it.I can and will take constructive critism BUT only from ones who know what they are on about.Having been on some of the flicker website (the ones that have got flicker)and not seem a Night time photo of a night rally, who do they think they are to give advise.
If Matt yourself had critisised a day shot of racing well heck yes I would listen to what you have said and if Brian Gilbert was to comment I would gladly listen.But listen to, sorry to say this but idiots going on about slow shutter speeds at night well NO,why simply because they are talking nonsense.Maybee they can produce the goods and show me wrong.
But I BET they CAN NOT


Tid Tug

Hurt feelings heck no what gets me is the idiotic suggestions and nothing to back them up
 
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Tid Tug said:
As for no movement in the cars well look again,the cars were coming form the right so they were handbraking to the left so how can the be stationary just look at the escort stationary huh

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If these guys are rallying why isn't the driver or navigator wearing crash helmets?

Are the between stages?

Darren
 
Tid Tug said:
And also it is not good to call Photos snaps when they can not produce the goods themselves is it.I can and will take constructive critism BUT only from ones who know what they are on about.Having been on some of the flicker website (the ones that have got flicker)and not seem a Night time photo of a night rally, who do they think they are to give advise.
If Matt yourself had critisised a day shot of racing well heck yes I would listen to what you have said and if Brian Gilbert was to comment I would gladly listen.But listen to, sorry to say this but idiots going on about slow shutter speeds at night well NO,why simply because they are talking nonsense.Maybee they can produce the goods and show me wrong.
But I BET they CAN NOT


Tid Tug
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seriously, you need to wind it in. Dont call fellow members idiots for offering advice, you take what YOU think is good and ignore the rest. You dont know what any of these guys do, or what they might have done in the past. There are a few guys here who have shot the night races and whatnot, they may well chip in, but your attitude wont make them want to jump in.:thumbsdown:
 
Night time road rally not a stage event at all.All legal and above bored MSA approved event all average speed below 30mph.Try and average 30mph on the back roads and you will find most of the time you can't,so time is lost,fails are given for wrong approaches etc.Just to give you an idea how tough this event was 56 cars started 17 finished without going OTl...OTL means over their alloted time ot a main time control


Tid Tug
 
Tid Tug said:
Night time road rally not a stage event at all.All legal and above bored MSA approved event all average speed below 30mph.Try and average 30mph on the back roads and you will find most of the time you can't,so time is lost,fails are given for wrong approaches etc.Just to give you an idea how tough this event was 56 cars started 17 finished without going OTl...OTL means over their alloted time ot a main time control


Tid Tug
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Ah fair play then, just thought it looked a bit odd at first glance:thinking:;)

Darren
 
What makes you automatically assume that somebody has to be an expert in that specific field of photography to be able to make comments on the general aspects of the photos?

To liven up the shots you would of need either some off-camera continuous lighting or off-camera flash which would of gotten away from the light bouncing back and would of allowed you more freedom in choice of position to better get the sense of the event. Taking a long exposure at a control for example so you have headlight trails leading in fire off a remote flash while the car slows down/stops at the control then you get the tail lights leading away from it.

As you seem to require some sort of credentials before you take anybodys opinion:




 
Tig Tug were you panning at all?
 
a few points

1) maybe we can be a bit less harsh and a bit more welcoming to new members. this isnt POTN.
2) please dont get too arsey when people give negative critique
3) isnt it illegal in the UK mainland to hold a competion on the queens highway?
4) if a flash is used then i dont see how you can possibly not freeze the motion.
 
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Agree with badger.

3. thats why they have an average speed to aim for, they are not trying to go as fast as possible.
4. just what I was going to say.

There is no motion in the pics, and it'd be extremely difficult to produce. Personally I wouldn't bother with photo's of a night rally, the flash exposure is about 1/10,000s and I don't like flashing into drivers eyes anyway.
Take the photo's in the day and enjoy spectating the night stages.
 
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3. thats why they have an average speed to aim for, they are not trying to go as fast as possible.
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yeah, but i thought it was just illegal to run any competition. but i guess if you aim for an average speed then thats some kind of loop hole.. although i'm sure if a copper saw me do a handbrakey i would get done for dangerous driving :)
 
straight flash on the camera will freeze, but playing with the settings and speeds will yield different results, also changing the ISO will help.

IMHO i dont think anyone was unwelcoming, just offering straight opinion.
 
Thank you mole2k for your suggestions I will try what you have suggested,as regards racing on the public highway it is not,as I said av speed 30mph nat speed limit 60mph,now try doing 60mph at night down a bumpy narrow lane.NO dont try this at home!!!
I could not agre more with what you say badgerbaiter flash has to be used,manual focus also as automatic focussing would not cope.Panning well no,if you panned the background and possibly the car would go blurred


Tid Tug
 
this is panned with 1/2 sec shutter speed and flash.. its still looks like it stopped, so i dont see how you can make it look like its moving with the flash.. you could use a pulse but it would just look like multiple stopped cars

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The thing is it's pitch black out there. Messing about with rear curtain flash and slower shutter speeds is only going to make a difference in the headlights.
 
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4) if a flash is used then i dont see how you can possibly not freeze the motion.
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I'm going to refer you to your own thread here ;) Yes the motion has been frozen but you still get the sense of speed.

Looking at these I'm afraid they do look static.
 
dod said:
I'm going to refer you to your own thread here ;) Yes the motion has been frozen but you still get the sense of speed.

Looking at these I'm afraid they do look static.
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Because there are other light sources in those photo's.
These effects will be near impossible in the pitch black of a night road rally. Some great shots there btw.
 
dod said:
I'm going to refer you to your own thread here ;) Yes the motion has been frozen but you still get the sense of speed.

Looking at these I'm afraid they do look static.
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one of my reasons to live to have one of my threads quoted against myself
the other is to have you quote one of my threads
my life is complete now :) :)
 
badgerbaiter said:
one of my reasons to live to have one of my threads quoted against myself
the other is to have you quote one of my threads
my life is complete now :) :)
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:LOL: :LOL: Was such a good thread I remembered it immediately :notworthy:

I think you did a ninja edit there :p #7 and 8 have flash and both really convey the sense of speed really well.
 
the legal aspect is also interesting... i would assume your insurance is invalid if you are entering a competition of any sort, and its illegal to drive without valid insurance. sometimes i wish i was a lawyer :)
 
as Dod says, your photos show its possible..(and they aint bad at all!)

Also..ISO speeds, whack em up. Im not saying that daylight panning shots are the sort of thing you will get, but you can get the feeling of motion into them, and as the Op has mentioned he wasnt panning then i guess thats why they look static to me.
 
Special competition ins available ot all MSA licence holders,std ins policy does not cover you for any form of motorpsort events and believe you me that includes your WI/whatever treasure hunts


Tid Tug
 
Almost scared to say anything :LOL: I would have been tempted to take some shots from the other side of the road too behind that fence. With the vehicles heading straight at you the light trails/blur would have given some sense of movement. Without the flash and a low shutterspeed I am sure you could have got some great light trails.

You may have done this and I would like to see them if you have.
 
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