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Crap day weather wise on Good Friday as we headed down to Mumbles for me try out my Voigtlander 28mm f2 APO. I haven't used lens outside of my property yet. Being a total div I forgot at times the lens was MF so loads of OOF pics!!
Mumbles Lighthouse....A7RV & Voigtlander 28mm f2 APO Lanther.
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Mumbles Lighthouse....A7RV & Voigtlander 28mm f2 APO Lanther.
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I'm in the market for a 35mm AF lens so any recommendations please. Initial budget is £500 and I don't mind used. When I had Z8 I had the Voigtlander 35mm f2, although being a fantastic lens I think AF is better for me at present.
The 50 1.2 is going to be my only expensive lens for a while.
I know this would be well over budget, but a 1.4 can be got for cheap enough used.
I thought my tamron 28-75 was sharp enough but the new body and 50 are making me question this
May have to look at the g2 version
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35mm Sigma f2 dg dn
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I’ve decide to stay away from Samyang as I’ve not had the best experience.
For the budget unless your very lucky buying used you would be looking at
Viltrox 35 1.2.. slightly more than 500 grey and huge, but seems to get good reviews.
Sony 35 1.8 decent lens but nothing special
Sigma 35f2 seems decent also, I like the actual build/ style of the lens
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Not sure if you could perhaps push the budget. 35 GM grey might be worth a look. No doubting its credentials.
Edit. I contacted Cotswold recently and got a quote £789
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As I've probably said... I've looked at the Voigtlander 28's a few times and I like the idea of one but I haven't used my MF lenses much recently.
We had a surprisingly good weather day. A7cII and Sony 40mm.
I don't know what these are or how old they are.
The view towards Roseberry Topping.
A 2.39:1 pano with Roseberry Topping to the right of centre.
We'd never been here before and decided to go back another day for a long walk.
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The samyang experience has been a bit mixed for me:-
18mm f2.8 - Great little lens
24mm f2.8 - Great little lens
35mm f1.8 (x2) - Both had decentering and went back
45mm f1.8 (x2) - Both great
50mm f1.4 FE II - Great lens, lovely rendering, eye AF wasn't as reliable as Sony lenses.
Going back through my photos taken with these I came across this one of the kit kat stones, it will always have 'meaning' this photo as it was our last night of freedom before the first lockdown. I remember how many people were out getting those last minutes of freedom.
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18mm f2.8 - it's my go-to UWA when I want decent sharpness across the frame, AF acceptable.
35mm f2.5 - tiny, pleasing rendering, sharp enough, small max aperture and especially hit & miss AF not so great.
50mm f1.4 MkI - had one & loved it but sold to afford a 24-105 G, bought another because the 55 f1.8 just didn't have the look but acquired a 50 f1.2GM shortly after and it went back in the box. Lovely lens, light, sharp enough, very pleasing rendering, AF not so great but still acceptable.
45 f1.8 - nice lens, decent AF, good rendering, sharp enough. Mine got bashed hard at the front and that's made a mess of the optics.
85 f1.4 MkI - nice rendering, still a favourite. AF a bit hit & miss (especially after a GM) but I love it.
Example with the 18mm
The meeting pool 2 Happy by Toni Ertl, on Flickr
Example 45 f1.8
The meeting pool 3 Gathered by Toni Ertl, on Flickr
Example 85 f1.4
The meeting pool 1 Reflection by Toni Ertl, on Flickr
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Any interest in this f4 zoom?
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Not so long ago a compact Voigtlander 50mm f2.5 might have interested me but I'd have been more interested in a compact 50mm f1.4 of the same qaulity as their 35mm f1.4. Now I'm more likely to sell my MF lenses than buy more.
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Not so long ago a compact Voigtlander 50mm f2.5 might have interested me but I'd have been more interested in a compact 50mm f1.4 of the same qaulity as their 35mm f1.4. Now I'm more likely to sell my MF lenses than buy more.
Cosina might be developing three new f/1.4 FE lenses | sonyalpharumors
Recently published patents disclose the design of five new Cosina Full Frame manual focus lenses Three fast primes: 75mm f/1.4 85mm f/1.4 100mm f/1.4 Two compact lenses: 40mm f/2.8 50mm f/2.5 In another patent Cosina also described the design of two unreleased Ultron lenses: 35mm f/2.0 100mm...
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I think the 100-400mm f4 will be outside of my budget and will be too heavy. A 400mm f4/f4.5 would be a nice edition but I’ve never heard any rumours of Sony making such a lens.Any interest in this f4 zoom?
Confirmed: Sony A7rVI announcement in May and 100-400mm f/4.0 GM coming too! | sonyalpharumors
I got two small additional info: The officialSony A7rVIannouncement will happen in May (still confirmed close to 67MP sensor and new body) The chances are increasing we might get the 100-400mm f/4.0 GM But maybe there is one more lens....stay tuned!
Not so long ago a compact Voigtlander 50mm f2.5 might have interested me but I'd have been more interested in a compact 50mm f1.4 of the same qaulity as their 35mm f1.4. Now I'm more likely to sell my MF lenses than buy more.
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Recently published patents disclose the design of five new Cosina Full Frame manual focus lenses Three fast primes: 75mm f/1.4 85mm f/1.4 100mm f/1.4 Two compact lenses: 40mm f/2.8 50mm f/2.5 In another patent Cosina also described the design of two unreleased Ultron lenses: 35mm f/2.0 100mm...
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I'd like a 100-400 but don't want to buy gear especially.
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Any interest in this f4 zoom?
Confirmed: Sony A7rVI announcement in May and 100-400mm f/4.0 GM coming too! | sonyalpharumors
I got two small additional info: The officialSony A7rVIannouncement will happen in May (still confirmed close to 67MP sensor and new body) The chances are increasing we might get the 100-400mm f/4.0 GM But maybe there is one more lens....stay tuned!
I'm interested. Got the current one not long ago, but it's a bit big for EDC. I now have a 70-200 for that, and the 100-400 is for when I'm going out specifically for wildlife. I'm not too fussed about the f4, but an updated optical formula and AF would be nice.
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Samyang 35 f/1.8 PE - Lottery with quality control but get a good one and you have a baragain,
Sony 35 f/1.8 - Poor colours, horrible bokeh, but has smaller minimum focus distance than most which is useful and fast a.f.
Sigma 35 f/2 - Excellent image quality and build quality, okay a.f performance, but has a large vignette if left uncorrected.
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I think the current 100-400mm GM still stands up to modern lenses in both optical performance and AF, I think this is why Sony haven't been in a rush to update it.
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I have the Sony f1.8. It's a bit big for me as I like compact kit so I've used the Sony f2.8 and Voigtlander 35mm f1.4 a lot more and now the 40mm f2.5. The strengths seem to me to be sharpness wide open and the minimum focus distance. The MFD was a biggie for me as when out and about I like to take pictures of flowers, leaves, ladybirds or anything that catches my eye so the 22cm MFD is nice for me and saves me messing on with a close up filter. One criticism of this lens is ca with backlit scenes but I don't find it to be a biggie. I've never seen a bad review of the bokeh, all the ones I've seen seem to rate it but a 35mm f1.8 which is sharp across the frame is never going to be a bokeh monster with messy compositions like branches and I've seen messy scene GM bokeh which isn't going to win any prizes either.
There are about a ton of reviews on line with a million example pictures if you're thinking about putting this one on the list of possibilities. I'd consider it again if only for the MFD.
Anyway. Some messy scenes at f1.8.
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You can clearly see how bad the bokeh and out of focus areas are in that first image you posted. Bottom left is horrible.
Also lots of reviews mention the poor quality of bokeh and how grungy it is. That is just not true.
Even A.I knows how bad it is.
It has been brought up plenty of times how poor it is on other forums like for example here. https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1612104/11
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Then post an example taken with another 35mm f1.8 of a similar scene with similar distances and similar plant life in the bottom corner which is better.
As above there are a ton of reviews with a million sample pictures. You've gone to page 12 on a forum and even on that page there are people disagreeing. Thankfully people with access to a computer can see the ton of reviews and the million examples and make their own minds up.
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Rather than try and keep up with your edits I'll just leave it to Simon. And there's always the Sigma f2.
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Didn't know that. I have the lens. What's the best 1.8 35mm?
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If you are using it and liking it, does it matter?
Plenty of options from 3rd parties, Samyang, viltrox etc
The sigma 35mm f2 is a work of art though
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The samyang experience has been a bit mixed for me:-
18mm f2.8 - Great little lens
24mm f2.8 - Great little lens
35mm f1.8 (x2) - Both had decentering and went back
45mm f1.8 (x2) - Both great
50mm f1.4 FE II - Great lens, lovely rendering, eye AF wasn't as reliable as Sony lenses.
Going back through my photos taken with these I came across this one of the kit kat stones, it will always have 'meaning' this photo as it was our last night of freedom before the first lockdown. I remember how many people were out getting those last minutes of freedom.
A7R02188 by Toby Gunnee, on Flickr
18mm f2.8 - it's my go-to UWA when I want decent sharpness across the frame, AF acceptable.
35mm f2.5 - tiny, pleasing rendering, sharp enough, small max aperture and especially hit & miss AF not so great.
50mm f1.4 MkI - had one & loved it but sold to afford a 24-105 G, bought another because the 55 f1.8 just didn't have the look but acquired a 50 f1.2GM shortly after and it went back in the box. Lovely lens, light, sharp enough, very pleasing rendering, AF not so great but still acceptable.
45 f1.8 - nice lens, decent AF, good rendering, sharp enough. Mine got bashed hard at the front and that's made a mess of the optics.
85 f1.4 MkI - nice rendering, still a favourite. AF a bit hit & miss (especially after a GM) but I love it.
Example with the 18mm
The meeting pool 2 Happy by Toni Ertl, on Flickr
Example 45 f1.8
The meeting pool 3 Gathered by Toni Ertl, on Flickr
Example 85 f1.4
The meeting pool 1 Reflection by Toni Ertl, on Flickr
Thanks everyone for your replies an advise.
Since switching to Sony a couple of months ago I have spent over £4.4k on my two wildlife lenses and I have decided to push the budget for a 35mm lens and will purchase the Sony 35mm GM. I usually don't have much patience and want everything yesterday, but I will wait a few months to save a few more pennies to buy the lens.
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So no good 1.8? Might just buy a 1.2 insteadIf you are using it and liking it, does it matter?
Plenty of options from 3rd parties, Samyang, viltrox etc
The sigma 35mm f2 is a work of art though
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Depends on your definition of good
There is samyang 35mm f1.8 and viltrox 35mm f1.8
I have the new Sigma 35mm f1.2ii. Enjoying it very much. Had the 35GM before it which is also great
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Today's Dog walk, Stoney Middleton to Eyam.
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What about the Sony 35mm f1.4 GM?
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I have a Sony 35 f/1.8 as well. I also have the Sigma 35 f/2 and the 35 GM both of those are better as you would expect.
The newest version of the Samyang the PE version is supposed to very good, the Viltrox is supposed to have nicer rendering than the Sony as well.
I don't think there is a best as such, they all have different advantages and disadvantages. While the Sony has horrible O.O.F area's, C.A and poor colours, (washed out) it also has decent a.f speed and focuses pretty close. For me personally there is no really outstanding 35 f/1.8. I really like the Sigma 35mm f/2 but its not f/1.8.
While I have the others I am probably going to get the Sigma 35 f/1.2 DG DN II to replace the G.M. While the G.M has excellent a.f, it has a very orange colour cast, which while I can deal with I would prefer not too. The G.M is also not a true 35mm if you compare side by side to other 35mm lenses its a bit wider and for some reason the more I notice it the more annoying it gets.
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I know you've said it before about the orange colour cast on the GM, and you know others that say the same, it's not something I've ever noticed and I just love the rendering from it.
Whether a lens is the exact focal length doesn't worry me, at the end of the day who knows what the exact is. It could be others are slightly longer than they should be, and you're only ever going to really know by comparing side by side. IIRC the Sony 50mm f1.2 GM is slightly wider than the Samyang FE II but it doesn't worry me. I used to have the Nikon 70-200mm F2.8 VR II and apparently at close focus distance it was more like 105mm than 200mm, it never bothered me
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Mrs WW needed dropping off early this morning so I dropped her off and headed to the seaside. I set my tripod up and fitted my 10 stop and looked through the VF to see what shutter speed I was getting and found that I wasn't getting anything as my battery was flat. I had to go home for another
A7cII and Sony 40mm.
Windfarm and a bit of a rainbow which wasn't visible by eye,
Looking out to sea in front of where I was stood.
Looking towards the Vertical Pier.
Slippery slimy rock formations.
A7cII and Sony 40mm.
Windfarm and a bit of a rainbow which wasn't visible by eye,
Looking out to sea in front of where I was stood.
Looking towards the Vertical Pier.
Slippery slimy rock formations.
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The Matrix glitches
I do like these reviews...
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"If you are not that size and weight conscious, the Viltrox AF 50mm 1.4 FE Pro offers very similar performance in almost every category for a third of the price. And if you are looking for the smallest and lightest 50mm 1.4 lens with AF, the Samyang AF 50mm 1.4 FE II is also a very solid performer while being just as affordable as the Viltrox lens."
What a changing world we live in. Until very recently who'd have thought that Viltrox and Samyang could offer a respectable challenge a major manufacturer.
I do like these reviews...
Review: Sony FE 50mm 1.4 GM - phillipreeve.net
The Sony FE 50mm 1.4 GM is a high performing 50mm lens, but how does it compare to the 1.2 GM and to its predecessor, the 50mm 1.4 ZA?
phillipreeve.net
"If you are not that size and weight conscious, the Viltrox AF 50mm 1.4 FE Pro offers very similar performance in almost every category for a third of the price. And if you are looking for the smallest and lightest 50mm 1.4 lens with AF, the Samyang AF 50mm 1.4 FE II is also a very solid performer while being just as affordable as the Viltrox lens."
What a changing world we live in. Until very recently who'd have thought that Viltrox and Samyang could offer a respectable challenge a major manufacturer.
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Didn't you post this when you were asking about the f4 lens?There's a new camera coming in May says the Rumor guy.
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Didn't you post this when you were asking about the f4 lens?
Did I? I must have been blinded by the lens
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I didn’t say it would bother anyone else just that it bothers me. The more I notice it the more annoying it is.I know you've said it before about the orange colour cast on the GM, and you know others that say the same, it's not something I've ever noticed and I just love the rendering from it.
Whether a lens is the exact focal length doesn't worry me, at the end of the day who knows what the exact is. It could be others are slightly longer than they should be, and you're only ever going to really know by comparing side by side. IIRC the Sony 50mm f1.2 GM is slightly wider than the Samyang FE II but it doesn't worry me. I used to have the Nikon 70-200mm F2.8 VR II and apparently at close focus distance it was more like 105mm than 200mm, it never bothered me
The other 35’s aren’t longer, the Sony 35 GM is wider than 35 but don’t take my word for it, plenty of info online about it.
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The Wife and I just returned from a weeks city break to Rome, and it was the first time in using my new A7CR in anger, so I'd thought I'd give a mini review after shooting nearly a thousand images and just over an hour of video. I took a very minimal kit consisting of the A7CR Body and 2 lenses (the Sony 16-35 F4 PZ and the Sony 20-70 F4), along with my Sony digital mic, a spare Sony battery and a spare 256GB SD Card, all packed up in my small Bellroy 9L sling bag. .
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- Just like my A7RV (which it shares it's sensor with), the resolution is insane, and ideal for cropping to get just the right composition (especially as like me you only have 70mm as your longest focal length).
- The DR is very (very) good at base ISO
- The really compact size and light weight of the system was just a joy to carry around, and never once got to heavy (even after 8 hours of walking).
- Image quality - Superb, as I expected.
- Battery life - in a word excellent. I never once needed the spare battery in a days shooting.
- IBIS - amazing (and so much better than my Sony A6700). Combined with the Dynamic active stabilization, its pretty much gimble quality, albeit with quite a heavy crop (so in 4k 25, I think it works out to a 1.3x crop, and in 4k 50, about a 1.5x crop). However for walking shots of me filming the wife, the results were amazing.
- Aspect Ratios - love this and really wish my A7RV had this. I can select an aspect ratio mask (I tended to favour the 2.35:1 ratio), to give a nice panoramic style image, still with nearly 40mp. However there is a caveat (see below)
- Despite having 60mp and line skipping the video output, the 4k 25 and 4k 50 video looks superb and I never really noticed any lower quality, and rolling shutter seems reasonably well controlled (for a 60mp sensor), and in all my video clips, rolling shutter distortion isn't immediately apparent (to be fair I have really checked for it, but it never jumped out at me).
- Single card slot - whilst this isn't necessarily a negative, as it never stopped me, I did always have the fear of a corrupted card.
- Viewfinder - Does the job - that's about all there is to say. It's neither particularly detailed or bright, but as I say - does the job, however there's pretty much no eyecup protection to speak of either.
- Rear Screen. This was a biggie for me. Everyone bangs on about the lack of resolution (which is just over 1mp), and that's true, it's not particularly detailed, but good enough for the intended use - no for me the biggest negative was it's brightness (which is something I see is commented on with Sony cameras in general). Even when in it's brightest "Sunny Day" mode, it the bright midday sun in Rome, it was very dim and made it a little difficult to see at time. In this respect my Nikon Z bodies blows it out of the water. This is especially noticeable when shooting video where you tend to hold the camera in front of you where it becomes a little difficult to see at times. Maybe I've not noticed it as much on my A7RV, as due to the fancy hinge system on that camera, I can have the screen just tilted up and still inline with the viewfinder, where as on the A7CR, I tend to not like having the screen flipped out to one side when videoing, and prefer to keep it flat to the camera body. I'd love an A7CR MK II with the fancy screen from the A7RV / A7V
- Aspect ratios. Whilst I have this as a plus, it's here as well as the camera doesn't automatically save the crop on the Jpg image when downloading (I shot exclusively Raw/Jpg). You can "crop" in camera and use the "follow aspect ratio" to create a new jpg, but it seems this deletes the original Raw as well (more investigation needs to be done by me on this feature).
- There were a few times where my AF point drifted away (maybe I touched the screen), and I did miss having an AF joystick to quickly centralize it again. It is something you get used to but still a minor annoyance.
- Could do with at least one more custom button (perhaps two).
- Awful auto white balance. On checking my 1st days images on my iPad later that day, I noticed all outdoor images had a decided heavy blue cast. I then did a bit of googling and found out that you can set the auto white balance a couple of different ways. I decided to select AWB set to "keep ambience" , and the resultant images for the next few days were much nicer and much more true to life. It's probably something diehard Sony users knew about, but I didn't.
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I like this film simulation for Fujfilm, does anyone know of a Sony one that's similar?
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Have you tried dropping the photo into A.I and asking it to give you the settings needed to create a preset in Lightroom?I like this film simulation for Fujfilm, does anyone know of a Sony one that's similar?
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I seen someone do that recently and it gave pretty accurate results. I can’t remember which A.I they used though.
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Never thought of that, worth a go I guess
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Tried it, doens't look anything like it
It could be the scene of course so I will try it with different scenes but I don't think it's close.