Heat Alert

Of course there’s a totally different way to look at it , when we get an illness we take medicine to cure it , …. So what if the actual planet falls into the Gaia theory and is a living entity and we are irritating it , so we get heatwaves , earthquakes ( more and more frequently of late ) volcanic eruptions, storms ,hurricanes etc etc . It’s almost like the planet was trying to get rid of a virus … humanity
 
Can we do anything positive?

Personally I am vegetarian, not primarily for environmental reasons but reduction methane production is a good thing.

I'm very careful with recycling. I make sure what goes in the green bin should go there and it is clean and not mixed material things like removing plastic from window envelopes, no take away pizza boxes etc.

I do drive to work but I see that as being on my employers shoulders as I word work from home by choice. But I keep my car well maintained and it's an order car. The longer a car is in use the more the carbon cost of making it is mitigated (other opionons exist).

I don't buy the cheapest electricity I use a 100% sustainable supplier. They actually pin the price to the major supplier in my area so it's no more expensive.
I use Ecotricity (I also use Ecotalk for my cell phone contract) if you would be interested in using Ecotricity and you pm me I have a referral code which would save us both a small amount of money.

When I lived and worked in places suitable I cycled and used public transport. I also did a week long training course on bike repairs and volunteered at a free to use community workshop for a few years which was fun.

In summary you might want to consider
Eating less meat
Checking what can be recycled and how to "prepare" it.
Maintain your car fully
Perhaps cycle
Help out at a grass roots project to keep old things working cheaply especially if you have skills
Switch to a sustainable utility supplier

One thing you can do today is put a shallow dish of water out fir the garden animals, maybe not green but it's nice to be nice.
 
Tringa said:
And we also cannot ban entitlement.

Dave
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There was a phone -in on LBC today. about that 7.00pm government SMS .??... alert re not having BBQs,bonfires etc and whether it should have been used because ,it seems, it's for serious threats. Considering that several homes in Stourbridge have been destroyed by what started as a grass fire it seemed an appropriate use to me.

Anyway, I'v responded to your post because a caller said that police had received 999 calls reporting neighbours who were having a BBQ and one had a bonfire going where there was a large area of dry grass quite close by. Someone else was setting off fireworks in their back garden .I think your point re entitlement is a very good one. I hadn't thought of it like that. My thoughts just extended to idiots ,the irresponsible and an afterthought..those who just don't give a toss. fire expert said that embers can travel on the wind up to 23 miles and can still initiate a fire after landing on dry grasses or in woodland. Another caer said that yesterday, he was stuck in traffic on the rosd from Swindon to Plymouth snd people in cars were throwing cigarette ends out of the car window..not just the filter but a piece of burning tobacco. In Australia a caller said that despite its terrible record of fires people were still careless. Firework displays,other than official ones at particular venues are banned as are BBQs at certain times.
 
My view on where we are with entitlement/carelessness.

It's a bit disconnected.

2022. 18 houses lost in Wennington, to fire.
"Oh my god, what is happening, those poor souls."

2026. 38 houses lost in Stourbridge. 5 houses lost in Caerphilly
"Totally shocking! Something must be done!"

202x. Fires, blah blah blah. Some homes burnt. Blah Blah Blah.
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As to the phone alerts ,big fuss here as it was two messages the first one in Welsh ,followed ten minutes later by the English version . Just think if it had been a real emergency. Apparently the 999 number was jammed by people who can’t read Welsh .total Plaid Cymru arrogance
 
the black fox said:
As to the phone alerts ,big fuss here as it was two messages the first one in Welsh ,followed ten minutes later by the English version . Just think if it had been a real emergency. Apparently the 999 number was jammed by people who can’t read Welsh .total Plaid Cymru arrogance
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Yep exactly we got one in Welsh, which is really handy as we dont speak Welsh :rolleyes:
 
My wife and I just feel its gone beyond sensibility, every day on the news, we get some viewers may find it upsetting.
Weather wise, its always some warning, the maps they show makes it look like every thing is ablaze.
Talk about doom and gloom, and this not including wars or politics.
Some people must be near scared to death, the younger generation must think that is has always been this way.
Drama is now made out of a shovel of coal so to speak, reality has been turned into unrealistic shows and the real reality and facts are buried within all if this things.
Do you think we will get weather lockdowns eventually ????????
 
Oldbones said:
My wife and I just feel its gone beyond sensibility, every day on the news, we get some viewers may find it upsetting.
Weather wise, its always some warning, the maps they show makes it look like every thing is ablaze.
Talk about doom and gloom, and this not including wars or politics.
Some people must be near scared to death, the younger generation must think that is has always been this way.
Drama is now made out of a shovel of coal so to speak, reality has been turned into unrealistic shows and the real reality and facts are buried within all if this things.
Do you think we will get weather lockdowns eventually ????????
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It is the reality though can’t just bury our heads in the sand , we have had no significant rain in our area for pretty much 2 months and it’s worse in parts of Europe
 
And a look at today’s papers shows only the Observer with a climate/wildfire front page story.

Telegraph - water companies to charge more in a drought…
Daily Mail - phone alert threw everyone into panic and was a Burnham mistake
Express - triple lock story and, of course, Diana.
 
Anyone ever watch the film “ the day the earth caught fire “ do love these premonition movies ‍‍
 
LCPete said:
It is the reality though can’t just bury our heads in the sand...
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Indeed.

The climate is changing but what matters is the question of why? A vociferous minority claim that it's all the fault of humans. This is to ignore the evidence that, in the long term, the planetary temperature has swung between both far hotter than now and far colder/

To sum up: the climate of the planet is changing. The evidence is that it always has changed and it is reasonable to assume that, so long as it has an atmosphere, it always will change. Most of these changes we might assume will be minor and short term; while others will be bigger and some will be longer term. Such, so far as we know, is the life of a planet with an atmosphere.
 
AndrewFlannigan said:
Indeed.

The climate is changing but what matters is the question of why? A vociferous minority claim that it's all the fault of humans. This is to ignore the evidence that, in the long term, the planetary temperature has swung between both far hotter than now and far colder/

To sum up: the climate of the planet is changing. The evidence is that it always has changed and it is reasonable to assume that, so long as it has an atmosphere, it always will change. Most of these changes we might assume will be minor and short term; while others will be bigger and some will be longer term. Such, so far as we know, is the life of a planet with an atmosphere.
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have you seen my chart posted above?
How do you explain the measured temp changes since 1880 ?
 
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AndrewFlannigan said:
Indeed.

The climate is changing but what matters is the question of why? A vociferous minority claim that it's all the fault of humans. This is to ignore the evidence that, in the long term, the planetary temperature has swung between both far hotter than now and far colder/

To sum up: the climate of the planet is changing. The evidence is that it always has changed and it is reasonable to assume that, so long as it has an atmosphere, it always will change. Most of these changes we might assume will be minor and short term; while others will be bigger and some will be longer term. Such, so far as we know, is the life of a planet with an atmosphere.
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Its not a minority but the majority of climate and similar scientists , I believe that the evidence is overwhelming for it being man made
Yes the climate has always changed but its the rate of change which is the issue at the moment too quickly for nature to evolve and adapt
 
LCPete said:
Its not a minority but the majority of climate and similar scientists , I believe that the evidence is overwhelming for it being man made
Yes the climate has always changed but its the rate of change which is the issue at the moment too quickly for nature to evolve and adapt
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yep 100% you only have to extrapolate the measurements on the the chart above to come to the conclusion we are literally in a lot of trouble now not in 10 or 20 years time.
 
LCPete said:
Its not a minority but the majority of climate and similar scientists , I believe that the evidence is overwhelming for it being man made
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Scientific consensus has been reversed many times, as better data has been acquired.
LCPete said:
Yes the climate has always changed but its the rate of change which is the issue at the moment too quickly for nature to evolve and adapt
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Our long term data indicates that average temperatures are constantly changing, bearing in mind that short term changes are near impossible to identify, past the life span of currently living trees.
 
Mr Bump said:
yep 100% you only have to extrapolate the measurements on the the chart above to come to the conclusion we are literally in a lot of trouble now not in 10 or 20 years time.
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Your chart shows a change of (roughly) 1.1 degrees celsius over 100 years and doesn't show any of the annual or monthly changes over its full span.

It looks impressive until a reader applies some commonsense and realises that the figures used are meaningless, beecause they are contextless. For them to be useful in this discussion we would need to be able to see the temperature at various fixed points within each year plus the context of the source(s).

It simply serves to obfuscate what little information we possess.
 
AndrewFlannigan said:
Your chart shows a change of (roughly) 1.1 degrees celsius over 100 years and doesn't show any of the annual or monthly changes over its full span.

It looks impressive until a reader applies some commonsense and realises that the figures used are meaningless, beecause they are contextless. For them to be useful in this discussion we would need to be able to see the temperature at various fixed points within each year plus the context of the source(s).

It simply serves to obfuscate what little information we possess.
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you just realy are not interested are you?
 
Mr Bump said:
you just realy are not interested are you?
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On the contrary, I'm very interested in seeing the truth of any claim being put forward, where such is possible.

The problem, as I see it, is that there are various groups who have taken up fixed positions, which may be wrong or may be right. The problem is that the detail is what really matters here, because we know that the climate changes but we really cannot predict it at our present level.

It really doesn't help that too many people, deliberately or otherwise, confuse weather forecasting with our understanding of the planet's climate.
 
As we sit and discuss the ins and outs of this heat event that we have had or are having.
It has dawned on me that, the question is not, is it getting hotter or not.
The question is why, and why don't we have a definitive answer, why is there a doubt at all.
All the experts can not even agree.
But are we the public being informed with all the facts, is there facts and reasons that for some reason we cant or should not be told about what's happening.
And of course what will eventually happen, and how the public will manage!

You never hear about underground aquifers and the state that they are in, but they are a good indication about how things are.
I did hear about one in the USA that has been slowly drying up over the last few decades.
Apparently those farmers have to drill deeper and deeper to get water for crops.

So what about the UK, I just feel that things are to relaxed considering what is happening with all of this.
I am not saying any one should panic, but we need to be better informed about how to prepare if these events really do start to impact on our day to day lives.
 
AndrewFlannigan said:
On the contrary, I'm very interested in seeing the truth of any claim being put forward, where such is possible.

The problem, as I see it, is that there are various groups who have taken up fixed positions, which may be wrong or may be right. The problem is that the detail is what really matters here, because we know that the climate changes but we really cannot predict it at our present level.

It really doesn't help that too many people, deliberately or otherwise, confuse weather forecasting with our understanding of the planet's climate.
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I was more refereing to that fact you are not interested in anything positive?
you just laugh and smirk about anything that is put forward that could/would be good or positive in the world.

you are the true definition of a "hater"
 
Mr Bump said:
I was more refereing to that fact you are not interested in anything positive?
you just laugh and smirk about anything that is put forward that could/would be good or positive in the world.

you are the true definition of a "hater"
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It would be good to have Andrew actually give some scientific fact, rather than the nebulous Trumo-type statement "Climate has always changed". I want to know what sunspots, volcanic eruptions, meteor strikes, etc. there have been to cause this unprecedented rise in planetary temperature.
 
Pound Coin said:
It would be good to have Andrew actually give some scientific fact, rather than the nebulous Trumo-type statement "Climate has always changed". I want to know what sunspots, volcanic eruptions, meteor strikes, etc. there have been to cause this unprecedented rise in planetary temperature.
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he is just a Trump you are right there, its dull and in the future woman like him will simply be looked down upon as those that chose to pray at the idol of...... convenience...
 
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