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To make such an either/or statement about epistemological relativism marks you out as a bit of a troll really AFAIC.
I can't believe that anyone sane truly believes in epistemological relativism beyond its utility for a bit of intellectual masturbation.To make such an either/or statement about epistemological relativism marks you out as a bit of a troll really AFAIC.
I can't believe that anyone sane truly believes in epistemological relativism beyond its utility for a bit of intellectual masturbation.
I've taken hallucinogens if that's what you mean. But the most likely - and most empirically supported - explanations for psychedelic and "expanded consciousness" experiences are based in neurology that is rather more pedestrian than the mystical, new-age interpretations.I'm assuming you've never had an experience of expanded consciousness.
You were the one who brought up "quantum psychology".No, that is not what I mean. This is a pointless debate and a massive thread hijack.
Another quick recommendation: "Phantoms in the Brain" by V.S. Ramachandran is a good neurology text aimed at a lay audience which explains (among other things) the neurological foundations of mystical and expanded experiences. It describes very entertainingly how cognitive illusions like spiritual experiences can arise from biological phenomena.
You believe consciousness comes from within the body and I do not. Never the twain shall meet.
It's not arrogance. It's just the unashamed laying out of the objective data. It's there to be challenged.The arrogance of science.
I've not read Wilson yet, but I'd be interested in knowing.... does he present any evidence to suggest consciousness comes from outside the body? What particular book does he discuss this in? I'd be very interested read what he's written on this.
What were we talking about originally?
That was ghoti originally... And it was an insult!I have no idea. But you surely deserve bonus points for working "epistemological relativism" into a thread on a photo forum
I have no idea. But you surely deserve bonus points for working "epistemological relativism" into a thread on a photo forum
Did I miss something?Its almost a shame Charlotte isn't still about…..
What were we talking about originally?
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Pookey
Loved your Fylde shots as I had to keep going back to them to look again. .
I'd like to thank the people who have posted on this thread numerous times for reminding me why I don't post photographs on this forum. The amount of egotistical testosterone flying round in this thread in particular is nauseating!
The OP posted a perfectly sensible and reasonable question. This was followed by:
- Statement from poster
- Justification for statement by poster
- Explanation for the justification for the statement by the poster.
- A sub justification
- A sub explanation
- Further justifications and explanations ad nauseam!
- A number of arguments and sub arguments - some of which relate to this thread - some patently relating to relationships that have festered in other quarters.
As an outsider who has watched this forum - but is not experienced enough to take a chance on the wit of those who patently display little or no self discipline or restraint, the best analogy I can think of relates to another interest of mine. I am a keen football fan. My favourite team is good (though not outstanding.) When I visit a particular football forum - I see posters absolutely annihilating the performances of player in my favourite team for the simple reason that they are not as good as the players in the Manchester City Teams, Liverpools or Chelseas of this world. They will never measure up to that kind of comparison. They never cost as much as those players.
The true comparison would be with players who are in teams at a similar level to my favourite team- but people just can't help themselves "laying in" to the players and over highlighting their faults.
Similarly - the crits I see all to frequently on this forum seem to assume that the picture posted has been presented as a potential national award winning pictures - which are subsequently shot down in flames by folks in, what sometimes appears to be a deeply unpleasant manner.
When I see the tone of the forum as exemplified within this thread - it doesn't take too much working out to see why!
I'm really grateful - since I have only recently started coming back to this forum - and I had mistakenly thought that there was a modicum of good will knocking about - but I'm quite clearly mistaken.
FIIK.........you lot have mashed my head in with this thread....................What were we talking about originally?
Nothing but friendly debate going on here.I'd like to thank the people who have posted on this thread numerous times for reminding me why I don't post photographs on this forum. The amount of egotistical testosterone flying round in this thread in particular is nauseating!
The OP posted a perfectly sensible and reasonable question. This was followed by:
- Statement from poster
- Justification for statement by poster
- Explanation for the justification for the statement by the poster.
- A sub justification
- A sub explanation
- Further justifications and explanations ad nauseam!
- A number of arguments and sub arguments - some of which relate to this thread - some patently relating to relationships that have festered in other quarters.
As an outsider who has watched this forum - but is not experienced enough to take a chance on the wit of those who patently display little or no self discipline or restraint, the best analogy I can think of relates to another interest of mine. I am a keen football fan. My favourite team is good (though not outstanding.) When I visit a particular football forum - I see posters absolutely annihilating the performances of player in my favourite team for the simple reason that they are not as good as the players in the Manchester City Teams, Liverpools or Chelseas of this world. They will never measure up to that kind of comparison. They never cost as much as those players.
The true comparison would be with players who are in teams at a similar level to my favourite team- but people just can't help themselves "laying in" to the players and over highlighting their faults.
Similarly - the crits I see all to frequently on this forum seem to assume that the pictures posted have been presented as potential national award winning images - which are subsequently shot down in flames by folks in, what sometimes appears to be a deeply unpleasant manner.
When I see the tone of the forum as exemplified within this thread - it doesn't take too much working out to see why!
I'm really grateful - since I have only recently started coming back to this forum - and I had mistakenly thought that there was a modicum of good will knocking about - but I'm quite clearly mistaken.
I suggest the poster lightens up!I'd personally suggest you need to actually interact a little more in the forum before lambasting it and the community so...though of course different communities suit different individuals but I would sincerely hope you'd be able to find a way to become part of this community
I'd personally suggest you need to actually interact a little more in the forum before lambasting it and the community so...though of course different communities suit different individuals but I would sincerely hope you'd be able to find a way to become part of this community
I suggest the poster lightens up!
Similarly - the crits I see all to frequently on this forum seem to assume that the pictures posted have been presented as potential national award winning images - which are subsequently shot down in flames by folks in, what sometimes appears to be a deeply unpleasant manner.
Thank you for your reply. I think I've interacted more than sufficiently for the moment, thank you.
Let me just ask you to imagine yourself as a new user on this forum - and start this thread from top to bottom. What message would you receive about the board and the main protagonists?
I would love this forum to be somewhere where I felt that my emerging - growing (though rather embryonic) - ability as a photographer - but with very, very much to learn could be posted secure in the knowledge that it would be treated reasonably and fairly. My honest view - having read the forum for several years - is that it demonstrably is not.
I think its a terrible shame and I fear that the ridiculing of this board that I have seen in other quarters of the internet may sadly be justified. Although I am a very secure person in "real life" I am utterly vulnerable with regards to my images - and when faced with the fundamental question "is this forum trustworthy" in the manner previously described - I find that the answer is - as I have set out - emphatically "No!"
Perhaps I have been unlucky and unfortunate in the posts on this forum that I have read - its just that I appear to be ....repeatedly unlucky and unfortunate ....with regards to that.
I really wish that it was though - and that is why I have shared my thoughts - that it might yet provoke some reflection. More hope than expectation, I fear!
I'd like to thank the people who have posted on this thread numerous times for reminding me why I don't post photographs on this forum. The amount of egotistical testosterone flying round in this thread in particular is nauseating!
The OP posted a perfectly sensible and reasonable question. This was followed by:
- Statement from poster
- Justification for statement by poster
- Explanation for the justification for the statement by the poster.
- A sub justification
- A sub explanation
- Further justifications and explanations ad nauseam!
- A number of arguments and sub arguments - some of which relate to this thread - some patently relating to relationships that have festered in other quarters.
As an outsider who has watched this forum - but is not experienced enough to take a chance on the wit of those who patently display little or no self discipline or restraint, the best analogy I can think of relates to another interest of mine. I am a keen football fan. My favourite team is good (though not outstanding.) When I visit a particular football forum - I see posters absolutely annihilating the performances of player in my favourite team for the simple reason that they are not as good as the players in the Manchester City Teams, Liverpools or Chelseas of this world. They will never measure up to that kind of comparison. They never cost as much as those players.
The true comparison would be with players who are in teams at a similar level to my favourite team- but people just can't help themselves "laying in" to the players and over highlighting their faults.
Similarly - the crits I see all to frequently on this forum seem to assume that the pictures posted have been presented as potential national award winning images - which are subsequently shot down in flames by folks in, what sometimes appears to be a deeply unpleasant manner.
When I see the tone of the forum as exemplified within this thread - it doesn't take too much working out to see why!
I'm really grateful - since I have only recently started coming back to this forum - and I had mistakenly thought that there was a modicum of good will knocking about - but I'm quite clearly mistaken.
Maybe you could link to a thread or two where you feel the critique has been deeply unpleasant. It might help frame the debate a little better if we know what we're all talking about.Thank you for your reply. I think I've interacted more than sufficiently for the moment, thank you.
Let me just ask you to imagine yourself as a new user on this forum - and start this thread from top to bottom. What message would you receive about the board and the main protagonists?
I would love this forum to be somewhere where I felt that my emerging - growing (though rather embryonic) - ability as a photographer - but with very, very much to learn could be posted secure in the knowledge that it would be treated reasonably and fairly. My honest view - having read the forum for several years - is that it demonstrably is not.
I think its a terrible shame and I fear that the ridiculing of this board that I have seen in other quarters of the internet may sadly be justified. Although I am a very secure person in "real life" I am utterly vulnerable with regards to my images - and when faced with the fundamental question "is this forum trustworthy" in the manner previously described - I find that the answer is - as I have set out - emphatically "No!"
Perhaps I have been unlucky and unfortunate in the posts on this forum that I have read - its just that I appear to be ....repeatedly unlucky and unfortunate ....with regards to that.
I really wish that it was though - and that is why I have shared my thoughts - that it might yet provoke some reflection. More hope than expectation, I fear!
I would love this forum to be somewhere where I felt that my emerging - growing (though rather embryonic) - ability as a photographer - but with very, very much to learn could be posted secure in the knowledge that it would be treated reasonably and fairly. My honest view - having read the forum for several years - is that it demonstrably is not.
Although I am a very secure person in "real life" I am utterly vulnerable with regards to my images - and when faced with the fundamental question "is this forum trustworthy" in the manner previously described - I find that the answer is - as I have set out - emphatically "No!"
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