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  1. WereBo

    WereBo

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    Aaahh OK, my camera only saves .JPG, so I've never worried about .RAW ;)
     
  2. ancient_mariner

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    I believe DigiKam has sensible DAM, but is destructive when editing.
     
  3. HectorHughMunro

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    I actually just made the switch to Capture. In my case, I didn’t import the old catalogue; If I go back to old work I’ll build a new session from scratch.

    I hate the cataloguing in Capture One but the RAW conversions from Fuji files are gorgeous.

    I tried Luminar and think that this may become the new standard but that they are two years from a finished product. The cataloguing is a huge step that they need to take. They also need to get to the point where a user can build a standard desktop consisting of the elements that he most often uses rather than having to do so much menu work. It will get there but until then It’s Capture One for me.
     
  4. davej593939

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    I am currently using capture one and in many ways find it superior to
    Lightroom. Not got all the bells and whistles but I find it easier to work with.
     
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  5. cuthbert

    cuthbert Pugh Pugh Barney McGrew Me Dibble and Grubb

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    i've been using Lightroom since the beginning, but stopped upgrading after LR5.

    I've downloaded the trial of Capture One before but never really got on with it. Seemed like I just need to have patience.

    The more I play with it, the more I could never go back to Lightroom..yes it's a bit more fiddly than Lightroom, but the results are more than worth it - I can't believe the difference, colours just look less "lumpy" and more smooth.

    When I look at how much better the RAW processing is in Capture One, it's almost as though Adobe pretty much gave up with Lightroom (there were very few differences between LR4-6) and knowing people weren't upgrading for a handful of features pulled the rug from everyone and made it subscription only (same argument applies to Photoshop for photo editing, anyway)
     
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  6. sk66

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    Luminar 2018 looks promising once they add DAM next year.
     
  7. Chaz Photos

    Chaz Photos Jack Elam

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    Why so negative about Lightroom SO they have added a new version alongside the Lightroom 6 now called classic. it still the same program
     
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  8. cuthbert

    cuthbert Pugh Pugh Barney McGrew Me Dibble and Grubb

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    davej593939 - I agree, actually really love the tones that come out of the raw engine, i can't explain it - really impressed so far.. looks like i'm going to be £250 lighter in 30 days....

    The other slight hassle is of course taking the time to rebuild all my presets I've created over the years..
     
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  9. jerry12953

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    Lightroom 7 is only available on subscription at £10 p.m. Not only is that a very expensive way of doing it, you are then locked into Adobe's payment model for ever and a day. The thinking is that before too long you will only be able to store your own images in Adobe's servers in the cloud.

    Lightroom is great software, i love it, and I'm only very reluctantly starting to look at alternatves. But there are enough disatisfied users around to make it worthwhile for other software designers to come up with a like-for-like alternative.
     
  10. Box Brownie

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    I am finding this thread interesting in regard to what possible alternatives there are and the potentialities of those available.

    I have liked Lightroom but as a perpetual license user on version 6 I do not like the cc route it is now going.

    I now rely on the DAM function but note for example Luminar mentions being used as a plugin for LR for the image editing.

    Approx 90+%of my editing is done in LR with some final sharpening in PS........ therefore if an/any LR alternative offers me a good way to do my KISS approach to editing then so much the better. Cropping, noise reduction/control, contrast, levels, dynamic range 'control', capture sharpening, output sharpening (I really like PS Smart Sharpening:) ), lens corrections.......

    Though overcooked fancy filters are of limited interest, that is why On1 software has never had much appeal because IMO that seems to be it's main selling point!

    I suppose it is just a case of finding one with a good to great raw processor with the controls I list above.......plus any that make sense to bring out the best of the latent image such 'old style' dodging & burning :) but sticking with LR for the DAM it gives me.
     
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  11. jerry12953

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    I'm with you there, but there's just one query I have about your post:

    Have you omitted the word "NOT" in the second sentence? As in "I do NOT like......"
     
  12. Box Brownie

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    Ah! I see where & what you mean.......such is typing on a smartphone ;) :(

    Editing next :)
     
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  13. jerry12953

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    At least you know at least one person is reading your post.........;)
     
  14. Box Brownie

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    Phew! sometimes in life you do wonder if folk are listening :LOL:
     
  15. chipbutty

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    Photo Ninja was very promising when it first appeared a few years ago then everything went silent from them after they stated a new version was on the horizon. That must be over two years ago now. I see they keep updating camera profiles.

     
  16. SFTPhotography

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    I still use Aperture 3 and Nik suits but will be moving to Capture One at some stage. I won't have LR if I cannot have it as a stand alone.
     
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  17. ancient_mariner

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    A little like guitar effects, the advertising tells you how wild they are, but the wise user makes it tasteful. If photoshop were advertised demonstrating all the bizarre things it can do then you might have the same impression or worse. There are times it is useful for doing things that LR cannot do, and I wish they would get a DAM module sorted so that the suite could be a real replacement instead of remaining just a plugin.
     
  18. LancsLee

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    Have been a Photoshop user for 20 years (since version 4) and a Lightroom user for the past four years or so. Having just picked up a Sony A77ii I decided to download Capture One Pro for Sony and after a few head scratching moments I'm starting to enjoy using it. Main advantage is not having to switch between Library and Develop and, as others have mentioned, the RAW processing just seems a little better. It now interfaces well with Photoshop and the variations using PSD files are very clever. Tethered shooting is a bonus as is the £50 price tag for the Sony version. Have to say that I've been using it more and more in preference to Lightroom.
    Also gave Affinity Photo a try but after 20 years Photoshop is just too familiar to make a quick change although I do like the effects layers.
    Yes the CC subscription is not cheap but I also use Audition, Premier Pro and InDesign from the suite so it is still reasonable cost effective even without using Lightroom. Also there appears to be more regular updates with the subscription model than when the purchase option was available. Now whether the updates are useful or not is another matter....
     
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  19. Brian G

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    As I see it, the main reason for Adobe adopting the subscription model is that they have simply run out of ideas on how to "improve" Photoshop and Lightroom, the same probably applies to other products in the CC suite.
    In the days when Photoshop was being developed, Adobe could add significant features and issue a new software edition, CS2, 3, 4, 5 & 6.
    Photoshop became a fully mature product with CS6 and since then there have been very few significant enhancements, more like "bells and whistles" and polishing the edges, than fundamental improvements.
    In the past users would willingly pay for a significant upgrade, even if many people only upgraded every other edition, or sometimes less frequently.
    Quite a few people have said that CS6 does everything they want, and will not move to CC.
    Recent "improvements" since going CC have hardly been significant and certainly not enough to call it a new version.
    They are merely a token to create the illusion that subscribers think they are getting more for their money.
    A similar situation exists for Lightroom.
    Other than provision for raw files from new cameras, recent improvements have not been significant.

    By adopting CC Adobe can keep a steady flow of income without spending much on developing new software.
     
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  20. jerry12953

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    Can someone confirm for me what happens if you subscribe to LR Classic and then cancel your subscription?

    What are you left with?

    Thanks.
     
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  21. MartynK

    MartynK Opting Out.

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    I've only played with the trial versions of LR, and never got round to making the commitment. That's not going to happen now, unless I can find an older stand alone version that can still be registered.
     
  22. jerry12953

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    I think you can still buy LR6, but it won't be updated to be compatible with new camera models. It's still great software but the risk would be that you might update your camera to something incompatible.
     
  23. tijuana taxi

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    Seen ON1 get a mention, might give the free trial a go https://www.on1.com

    I have PN and yes they have promised a new version for ages, do like it for processing Fuji X-Trans files, but as you say no catalogue
     
  24. mickledore

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    You've always got the option of using the DNG convertor.
     
  25. SsSsSsSsSnake

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    You can do basic editing and library sorting .not sure what else.you also get a certain amount of cloud storage
     
  26. gad-westy

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    I was a little skeptical at the recent changes to LR purchasing model but I have to say I'm really appreciating the cloud side of it. I like the ease with which I can download and/or edit images anywhere on anything and still end up with the changes saved in my main catalgoue, and raws stored exactly where I want them on my desktop when I get home. I don't love the feeling of being a little tied in to the Adobe suite but for now at least it's working well for me and I don't think it is actually bad value when you consider just how capable photoshop is. My concern probably comes from the cynical assumption that the price will just creep up and up but we'll see.

    I do have a curious question though for all those making the transition. My catalogue (about 20,000 images) is all key-worded and all raw edits stored within the lightroom catalogue itself. I have lots of collections set up and smart collections to find my images. I never output jpegs until I need them for something and then usually delete them once they're used. I believe this is quite a typical work flow but maybe I'm about to find out otherwise. Anyway,i f I were to move on to something like Capture 1, how much of this information could be carried over and how much of it would be starting again?
     
  27. Eloise

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    Don't forget that (excepting the 14 days legal right to cancelation) you are signing up for a 12 month commitment with Adobe. You can't just cancel after a few months.

    In other words its a yearly subscription; you're just paying for it monthly.
     
  28. myotis

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    You might find this useful https://blog.phaseone.com/jumping-ship-to-capture-one-pro-from-lightroom/ But you will need to scroll through several pages to the dialogue box that shows you what C1 imports. It does not import smart collections.

    As an aside, I export my final edited images as TIFFs, and then generate JPEGs or prints from those TIFFs. The TIFFs are then stored as "master final copies". If I want to revisit the editing, I normally prefer starting from scratch, even though I may use the Master TIFF as a reference.
     
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  29. SsSsSsSsSnake

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    You can cancel at anytime but have to pay something like `40`%
     
  30. gad-westy

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    Cheers. Will have a nosey.
     
  31. jerry12953

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    I've just made the same enquiry elsewhere, and discovered that if you cancel your subs to Classic and go back to LR6, you lose all the edits you made in Classic because its catalogue is incompatible with LR6. Talk about short and curlies........

    I think there is a cancellation fee - you don't lose everything. But talk about short and curlies.......

    How easy is that procedure, I wonder......
     
  32. BillN_33

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    I am a long time user of LR and PS and have invested years in learning both .........right from the start of both

    I have standalone LR 5,7 and PS ............. I have gone through what to do next when I tried tethering my D810 with LR 5,7 with no joy............in the end I succumbed to the £9,99 + tax per month package for LR Classic CC, Lightroom Classic, (which is neither use or ornament to me), and PS ........... I looked at and tried other stuff, but in the end I just gave in,..................... but other consequences of the change have followed .. as they always do

    LR Classic cc, (the one with the functionality of the standalone LR version), will NOT now work with OS X Yosemite ..... I had to upgrade to Sierra .......... you may say well Sierra is a (good) upgrade to Yosemite ......... but I use Parallels..(the windows emulator for the Mac), to run certain Windows programs and every time I upgrade the Mac OS ...... it means another upgrade to Parallels, which is another £50

    So it is not just the move to subscription from "ownership" ..... that I have to contend with, but it can also have other £ consequences which stem from any change.

    As I said I just cannot see a use for LR CC . the cut down version with cloud storage .. in my case ......... my internet connection which I would use for such are too slow to benefit from Cloud storage ...... and the cut down version of LR is just too simplistic

    so I think that if you want Adobe because you have built up user knowledge over the years ............Adobe subscription will eventually get you whether you like it or not .............. I am now just waiting for Adobe to increase their prices once they have got all the fish in their net.!!!!
     
  33. sk66

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    I just ran across Exposure X3 which looks to be very good... but the cost is equiv to 15-20 months w/ Adobe, and the upgrades cost ~$100 and seem to be about every year. I.e. to stay up to date w/ latest version wouldn't be much cheaper...
     
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  34. sep9001

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    I have seen a few and at the moment this looks the best, not tried it as am happy with what I have. LR5 and Affinity.
     
  35. Brian G

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    I'm nearing the end of the 30-day trial of X3 and, in my opinion, it's definitely a candidate for a Lightroom replacement.
    However, it's not without it's problems, the lens corrections leave a lot to be desired and there are issues with it's demosaicing of raw files.
    It does have layers and layer masks and an "Edit In" command for plug-ins, but overall I still feel that Lightroom provides better results more quickly.
    Pricewise, I would say it's comparable to the "stand alone" versions of Lightroom (149 dollars.).
     
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  36. ancient_mariner

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  38. jerry12953

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    I note that Amateur Photographer will be doing an "Alternatives to Lightroom" feature in the Dec 16th edition.

    There may not be a ready alternative YET, but give the software companies 12 months and I bet there will be.........
     
  39. ancient_mariner

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    He gives his selection criteria at the end. Yes, there are some key contenders missing, but still a useful perspective, even if you don't agree with all he says (e.g. I have no intention of upgrading every year).
     
  40. jerry12953

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    You could say that everyone with an opinion is biased! I found the article very useful.
     

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