anyone else find PC's more reliable than macs?

I have only one thing to say on this issue - where the hell is my other mouse button :)

I had the displeasure of using a mac the other day. I thought with only having one mouse button - they would have come up with some novel/nifty/easy way of getting your RMB menu up when you click an icon. Turns out you have to use a combination keyboard/mouse click (at least that is how I was shown). Ease of use - ha! - give me a three button mouse with a wheel anyday.
 
cowasaki said:
It does the job so even computer numpties can create a presentation. Maybe decent was a bit of an exaggeration.

I am just getting a bit miffed at all this mac v pc, canon v nikon etc crap. Let's just concentrate on what we are producing with them and stop behaving like a bunch of :dummy:
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[S1]cowasaki for president[/S1]
 
Been a Mac user for ten years. They've never let me down once.

But................ I'm all for choice and if Windows users are happy with their lot, let them get on with it, I say.
 
Moonhawk said:
I have only one thing to say on this issue - where the hell is my other mouse button :)

I had the displeasure of using a mac the other day. I thought with only having one mouse button - they would have come up with some novel/nifty/easy way of getting your RMB menu up when you click an icon. Turns out you have to use a combination keyboard/mouse click (at least that is how I was shown). Ease of use - ha! - give me a three button mouse with a wheel anyday.
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Both my iMac and MacBook have 1 touch second button operation. You CAN use a combo if you want to.
With the iMac (mighty mouse) you right click like any other mouse, I have my MacBook set up to right click when I tap 2 fingers on the trackpad, I also have a wireless mouse with right click.

This one button moue rumour is just daft.
 
The lack of two mouse button died as intel processors came in! The might mouse and it's replacement have two mouse buttons effectively. Just go into preferences and turn on the right click! Bothe these mice detect the touch of the finger using sensors. The default being that the right hand button is off is just apple being stubborn!
 
In fact they have 4 buttons because they have the button under the scroll ball and the squeeze buttons too. All the buttons are programmable.
 
clicktor said:
What reason would that be though? This is the most major point I was talking about above. There seems to be a distinct lack of information as to what this "reason" is. I am in no way stating that it does not exist or putting Macs down. I would just like to hear why they have become more of an industry standard for this kind of thing i.e. Photo/Video/Audio editing. I genuinely am interested, on the basis that if I can see a good reason to try using one again, I will do so. :)
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The main reason is shortcuts. On Mac generally you use less clicks, and control clicks to access shortcuts, which means more time, little thing but when you use these things for hours a day anything that saves you a click or a key hit improves your workflow.

Many see them as more stable, and that plays a major part, and also when released they generally come with the best hardware, where as PCs tend to come with a lower spec and then you improve pieces as you need to, which many don't want.

Lastly OSX seems a more visual operating system, which may be why it appeals to more creative types.

Almost every Mac user has had PC experience, and has spent time working with it, where as non Mac users tend to have very little experience of Mac OSX, and tend to mention points which do not actually exist (the phantom one button mouse). Blanket statement I know, but to be able to say which platform is better, you need to have spent a lot of time with each, which some here who claim the virtues of windows have not even spent serious time with a Mac system, they generally tried one, or their mate had one and after 5 minutes they decided it was not as good as XP. You cannot judge a machine or operating system based on this.
 
ding76uk said:
The main reason is shortcuts. On Mac generally you use less clicks, and control clicks to access shortcuts, which means more time, little thing but when you use these things for hours a day anything that saves you a click or a key hit improves your workflow.
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personally ive used photoshop in both platforms and i cant say my editing times differed notably on either.

Many see them as more stable, and that plays a major part, and also when released they generally come with the best hardware, where as PCs tend to come with a lower spec and then you improve pieces as you need to, which many don't want.
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sorry i dont agree, you can order a dell machine for example and spec it pretty much however you want. stability wise see my previous comments, theyre equal in my experience.

Lastly OSX seems a more visual operating system, which may be why it appeals to more creative types.
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:woot:

:p

Almost every Mac user has had PC experience, and has spent time working with it, where as non Mac users tend to have very little experience of Mac OSX, and tend to mention points which do not actually exist (the phantom one button mouse). Blanket statement I know, but to be able to say which platform is better, you need to have spent a lot of time with each, which some here who claim the virtues of windows have not even spent serious time with a Mac system, they generally tried one, or their mate had one and after 5 minutes they decided it was not as good as XP. You cannot judge a machine or operating system based on this.
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i use and support both platforms that makes me right :p

basically what im saying (again) is that like cowasaki said both platforms have merits for different people.
 
I had pc's for years. I built loads, for myself and others. I always had four or five pc's around the house. I then went out and bought a macbook. Since then I have turned my back on pc's altogether. I've had two imacs and two macbooks. My macbook pro goes everywhere with me. It's never missed a beat despite being dropped a few times. It never freezes or crashes and I love it. I'll never have anything else. My experience with PC's was not necessarily a great one. Constant problems, then theres the viruses etc.
 
cyclone said:
Both my iMac and MacBook have 1 touch second button operation. You CAN use a combo if you want to.
With the iMac (mighty mouse) you right click like any other mouse, I have my MacBook set up to right click when I tap 2 fingers on the trackpad, I also have a wireless mouse with right click.

This one button moue rumour is just daft.
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I love the mighty mouse but my old wireless mouse had a button on the side that you could use as a "Back" browser button. I found it very useful, just wish the mighty mouse could do the same.
 
Have a look in System Prefs mouse option, not sure if browser back is there or not.
The magic mouse supports gestures though :love:

I reckon Cowasaki is clever enough to write a hack to make it work with the mighty mouse if it's not there :D
 
fabs said:
I love the mighty mouse but my old wireless mouse had a button on the side that you could use as a "Back" browser button. I found it very useful, just wish the mighty mouse could do the same.
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There is that option with the magic mouse, two finger swipe <- = back a page, -> = forward.
 
cyclone said:
Have a look in System Prefs mouse option, not sure if browser back is there or not.
The magic mouse supports gestures though :love:

I reckon Cowasaki is clever enough to write a hack to make it work with the mighty mouse if it's not there :D
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Not there Merv, first thing I looked for when I started using the ma

Craikeybaby said:
There is that option with the magic mouse, two finger swipe <- = back a page, -> = forward.
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Don't! I bought the wireless mighty mouse just days before the magic mouse came out! :bang:
 
I've just come upon this thread and can't believe everything I'm reading. I've previously used PC's, XT's, 286's 386's 486's and lastly a Dell Pentium 4 2.4 GHz. All I remember were too many multiple restarts and blue screens. For some time I've been using a Powerbook G4 and for Photoshop, dating from 2005, a Powermac G5 dual 2.7 GHz 8 GB ram 2 x 1 TB hard drives and Leopard. So far it does everything I need it to, trouble free and I've had no need to upgrade. Everytime time I use the club PC laptop to run Dicentra for digitally projected competitions it's as quirky as hell. Unfortunately I'm not aware of any Mac competition software. There may be well reliable PC's around now Windows 7 is out, but my previous experience hasn't been good. I lead a busy life and don't have time to always have my hands in a PC. I'll stick to an OS written by the company that makes the hardware, and that gives me performance and reliability even with older kit.
 
Recently got a macbook pro after years of using windows. I love the mac and I will never go back. I was always worried about compatibility issues and lack of software,but that seems to be a thing of the past now.
Just bought the new magic mouse and I love its ability to scroll,it's great and hopefully they will add even more functionality with software updates in the future.
 
I've been using computers since the Spectrum 48k my dad bought when he was a programmer for GEISCO, then DOS 4, 5 and 6, Windows 3.1, '95, 2000, XP and Vista. I've just bought a Macbook, they all work, but only if you don't have crap hardware and don't install loads of crap, both of which are in abundance on Windows machines.

I've developed a rather cynical point of view on all things consumerism (which is nearly 100% driven by "specialist" magazines); Mac vs. Windows, Xbox Vs. PS3, Plasma vs. LCD, Taylormade vs Callaway, Marantz vs Denon, Nike vs Adidas etc etc. Essentially, it's all *******s and designed simply to make you spend more money on things you don't need. Which, of course, I do.
 
Just been watching the Magic Mouse video on the Apple site HERE ... That might even tempt me away from my trusty old Logitech MX Rev!
 
Flashman said:
Just been watching the Magic Mouse video on the Apple site HERE ... That might even tempt me away from my trusty old Logitech MX Rev!
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If you have an Apple shop near you or retailer pop in and have a play around. The magic mouse is now standard on the imacs so if they have one on display you will have chance to see what you think.
The 2 finger swipe gesture for moving back and forth is really good, thought it may not work that well as your hand doesn't naturally move that way,but you only need a few millimetres and its done!
 
I made this thread to get some user experiences and its fair to say the replies are mixed and not one sided.

I have worked as an IT professional for several years and my stats show Macs to be slightly less reliable (in proportion) to PC's, there not being much in it.
In my personal life PC's have pretty much ****ed all over the Macs i have had but i do love OS X and i will keep getting Macs.

moral of the thread.
Be wary of those that say either one is best. :p they are the evil ones
 
all my mac computers have failed quite impressively - screen issues, harddisc failures etc.

never had to replace a PC due to hardware failure. OP, you're not the only one :] the mac on my desk at work crashes more than my work laptop as well !
 
recrudesce said:
all my mac computers have failed quite impressively - screen issues, harddisc failures etc.

never had to replace a PC due to hardware failure. OP, you're not the only one :] the mac on my desk at work crashes more than my work laptop as well !
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Goes and plugs macbook pro into external hard drive and sets time machine going to back it up :eek:
 
The thing is you can always find fault especially when people are using someone else's computer. I had five works HP laptops in 4 months because they ALL failed. Does that mean HP are rubbish? The best way of looking at reliability is to look at the actual return rates rather than random stories. If you do that you will see that Apple's laptops are on a par/slightly better than quality Windows based laptops from the major players. I have found them more amenable to replacing faulty machines/parts out of warranty too. I used to repair Windows based laptops and one of the biggest problems was where the power cord went into the laptop, which is something Apple have fixed! The other main faults are about the same such as HD failures. Apple use slot loading optical drives which are SLIGHTLY less of an issue too. I don't have an axe to grind either way, unlike some people, but this thread is just getting stupid. The fact is that Apples hardware reliability is very good, no amount of posts can change that.
 
easy tiger im not slating anyones hardware, for the most part apple hardware is exceptional. just trying to get apple to recognise there is a faultly batch is a bit of a ball ache. but then i guess that could be said about anyone..
 
neil_g said:
easy tiger im not slating anyones hardware, for the most part apple hardware is exceptional. just trying to get apple to recognise there is a faultly batch is a bit of a ball ache. but then i guess that could be said about anyone..
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I wasn't suggesting that you were I was simply giving some perspective to it. :)
 
With 5 Apple laptops, 2 Apple Desktops, 2 Windows Desktops and other computers I rarely have to do anything with any of the home machines now! When each of the kids all had a PC one was always faulty but that is just one small experience.

Inexperienced users will click on and install anything!! This is the biggest cause of Windows problems that I have when fixing the multitude of computers that people hand me as faulty. Hardware issues are a MUCH smaller sub set.

Windows, even Vista, CAN be reliable in the hands of an experienced user! If it was as bad as some people make out then we would not be having this conversation because it would not have sold a few dozen copies! If we ban all computer numpties from having one until they pass the equivalent of a driving test then we can cure the problem and get on with taking some photographs which is what this forum is all about unless we want to change the name from TALK PHOTOGRAPHY to TALKING BOWLOX
 
My two penneth - I switched from PCs to Mac about 18 months ago. I was fed up of becoming a computer expert trying to fix the PC. The printer would work one day, stop the next. Same with the internet. I had to start something called Services every time I wanted to install anything, or use the printer or internet.

I was so fed up I bought a Mac. Got it out of the box, plugged the printer and internet in and it just started working and never stopped. I've never had to messa bout with anti-virus software or disk degrags etc.

I think the difference between the two is that a Mac does a lot of work in the background to keep itself working beautifully. Everything is laid out logically and it all seems to work so much better.

I, for one, will NEVER buy a product with anything from Microsoft anywhere near it!
 
I live in Cardiff and about 3 weeks ago we had our first Apple shop in Wales open in a new shopping centre.
The sheath on the power cord to my macbook pro had popped out and it was showing the wires underneath. Booked an appointment at the genius bar and they changed it right away for me. I do like the genius bar and think its a really could and free way to get advice/service.
 
Might as well add my findings

Used Windows boxes over the last 15 years. At the start I was frustrated with them, started to learn about the OS and eventually found them to be ok, or at least to win2k and xp pro. Vista just turned me complete off Windows along with being controlled to much by the OS :puke: I eventually opted over into the land of the mac.

The mac, well its early days and in honesty its a bit like starting out with 3.11 again. I am learning and I do like the Mac but they are not what everyone hypes them up to be. I am at present having trouble with Printer to a print server and CS3 (as per thread in this section) this morning I have now found the purple horizontal line on my screen which apparently is something which is plaguing some users. My mouse is dodgy, sometime scrolls sometimes dosen't and my Keyboad Cap Locks plays up. So at the best part of £1600 I guess you could say to press although I do like my Mac it is falling short of what it should be at this point in time.

(y)
 
evotwo said:
Might as well add my findings

Used Windows boxes over the last 15 years. At the start I was frustrated with them, started to learn about the OS and eventually found them to be ok, or at least to win2k and xp pro. Vista just turned me complete off Windows along with being controlled to much by the OS :puke: I eventually opted over into the land of the mac.

The mac, well its early days and in honesty its a bit like starting out with 3.11 again. I am learning and I do like the Mac but they are not what everyone hypes them up to be. I am at present having trouble with Printer to a print server and CS3 (as per thread in this section) this morning I have now found the purple horizontal line on my screen which apparently is something which is plaguing some users. My mouse is dodgy, sometime scrolls sometimes dosen't and my Keyboad Cap Locks plays up. So at the best part of £1600 I guess you could say to press although I do like my Mac it is falling short of what it should be at this point in time.

(y)
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Do you live near an Apple shop? If so get a mac genius appt, take it in with your list and they will go through them!

Alternatively if you have just bought it ring the help line they really will work hard to fix a problem. I re-installed MacOS on my mac pro and lost 3 internal drives. It was not a simple problem and after half a dozen phone calls between us (them ringing me after the first one) plus several emails we found the solution.
 
whitey said:
+1

thats working with 60 servers, 1500 PC's and 400 Macs

we get about 6/7 PC issues to 1 mac one
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yeah, but then you have a higher number of PC users. maybe if you had the same amount of each your numbers would be a little more comparable.

in our UK office we have 500+ PC's and 2 Macs, and i must admit the Mac users are the most whingy little children ever.

NOTHING is good enough for them, they want the latest version of everything as soon as it appears on the market. they want everything to work flawlessly when they're shoehorned into a PC environment.
 
siwhite said:
My two penneth - I switched from PCs to Mac about 18 months ago. I was fed up of becoming a computer expert trying to fix the PC. The printer would work one day, stop the next. Same with the internet. I had to start something called Services every time I wanted to install anything, or use the printer or internet.

I was so fed up I bought a Mac. Got it out of the box, plugged the printer and internet in and it just started working and never stopped. I've never had to messa bout with anti-virus software or disk degrags etc.

I think the difference between the two is that a Mac does a lot of work in the background to keep itself working beautifully. Everything is laid out logically and it all seems to work so much better.

I, for one, will NEVER buy a product with anything from Microsoft anywhere near it!
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so you're not using Office, MSN Messenger, Mail with Exchange support ? they're all Microsoft...
 
Iv never used a MAC in my life so couldnt say... Saying that I have just bought Win7 Pro so looks like I still wont be using a MAC for awhile.

Never answered your question "anyone else find PC's more reliable than macs?" IMO it depends on the users.

If someone has switched from PC to MAC because they had to keep restarting spooling service for printer etc... I would check your drivers which is likely to be the problem and not the PC and OS itself...
 
yeah, but a lot of people say they'll never use Microsoft products, but use MSN or Hotmail or something like that.

and it's usually Mac users who say it as well i find :p
 
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