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They were going for 870-900 new so not really great.
They are not now though.
They were going for 870-900 new so not really great.
Christmas is comingThey are not now though.
Indeed and so is Santa hopefully with my MacBook airChristmas is coming
I currently have 150GB (OS and LR catalogue) on a 250GB external SSD so 512GB should be fine but having a 2012 iMac I know with Apple what you buy now can’t be updated later so there is an element of buying more than you need know so it future proofed.
£200 is a lot for 8GB of RAM. But on the other hand, you got to remember this is SoC, where the larger RAM variants will have less yield than the smaller chips with less RAM. TSMC 5nm is pretty new, yield will drop significantly as you increase the size of each chip.One thing I hadn't realised is that the memory cannot be upgraded. Which seems a small price to pay for the performance. Until you realise that Apple want £200 for 16GB....![]()
I HOPE they keep the user upgradable aspect for the RAM in the iMac.
the whole point of the SoC design is to have everything on the chip close together tightly coupled. this removes any hopes of customisability but makes things more efficient performance wise.
Yes I know, hence HOPE.
i understand your hope but are you also hoping for the same level of performance in that case?
i don't see the benefit of the SoC design at that point if you need to go back to amassing RAM to get better performance.
It's not about the amount of RAM. That's more to do with Apple's software-hardware vertical integration.i don't see the benefit of the SoC design at that point if you need to go back to amassing RAM to get better performance.
It's a system on a chip, so by definition the RAM, CPU and GPU must all be non-upgradeable
£200 is a lot for 8GB of RAM. But on the other hand, you got to remember this is SoC, where the larger RAM variants will have less yield than the smaller chips with less RAM. TSMC 5nm is pretty new, yield will drop significantly as you increase the size of each chip.
So I think the rumoured high end 32 core will have external memory to cut down on silicon cost. Whether it's user upgradable (memory slots) that's another matter.
And if you want to see just what a bargain the minis are, they are like £50 more than Apple's new headphones![]()
That is all relative. The base mini has always been around there so its really nothing new, other than a bit of a leap in their tech in general. I think more importantly many of use would make quite a different conclusion if the Air had another 2 ports... That's a screen and portability for just another £300.
I get your point. I'm one of those fence sitters. My current iMac is a 2012 21.5 inch model that I got in 2013. I really need to start looking at upgrading but from my point of view I'm looking for something that will last 7-8 years like my last one did. Now do I get the latest M1 Mac mini that looks like it will perform much better than my existing iMac and hope it will last as long as that without needing to upgrade, or wait for the next Mac mini model with what is likely to have a faster chip that should therefore have a longer lifespan for me my use than the M1 Mac mini. If I was only looking at potentially a 2-3 year lifespan than the M1 Mac mini would be a no brainer. When looking at the prices £899 for M1 Mac mini with 256GB SSD and 16GB RAM is a fantastic price and should meet my current needs quite well. 512GB SSD would give more future proofing but that's £200 more (initially I was looking at the 1TB SSD option but that seems a bit overkill as I mainly use the Mac for Lightroom). I already have a good 4k screen, apple magic keyboard/mouse and thunderbolt 2 external storage so the Mac mini is definitely the cheapest option for staying with apple. It's just a case of when to jump and IF I really need to make the jump at this point and can wait a bit longer.Lastly, unless the point of purchase is just before the release of a new model, I'm really struggling to understand the sentiment of ' there's going to be X model next year, let's wait '. I mean, there's always going to be a newer better model every year - that's how the manufacturer gets you to buy new gear.
I get your point. I'm one of those fence sitters. My current iMac is a 2012 21.5 inch model that I got in 2013. I really need to start looking at upgrading but from my point of view I'm looking for something that will last 7-8 years like my last one did. Now do I get the latest M1 Mac mini that looks like it will perform much better than my existing iMac and hope it will last as long as that without needing to upgrade, or wait for the next Mac mini model with what is likely to have a faster chip that should therefore have a longer lifespan for me my use than the M1 Mac mini. If I was only looking at potentially a 2-3 year lifespan than the M1 Mac mini would be a no brainer. When looking at the prices £899 for M1 Mac mini with 256GB SSD and 16GB RAM is a fantastic price and should meet my current needs quite well. 512GB SSD would give more future proofing but that's £200 more (initially I was looking at the 1TB SSD option but that seems a bit overkill as I mainly use the Mac for Lightroom). I already have a good 4k screen, apple magic keyboard/mouse and thunderbolt 2 external storage so the Mac mini is definitely the cheapest option for staying with apple. It's just a case of when to jump and IF I really need to make the jump at this point and can wait a bit longer.
Rob, I think it's reasonable to update a 2012 model - it's 8 years old after all. But doing it next year will obviously get you a faster machine, and an even faster one the year after that. I guess it's a question of how long you're happy keep using the existing machine you have.
Its been 7 years so far so I'm not one for quick decisions on things like this. I could probably go on longer for a while yet. I've been thinking of upgrading for the last two years! Heck, only today I've moved from ADSL broadband to fibre broadband (a decision I've been thinking of doing for at least 3 years!.Can't believe I've waited this long, but it took it to be nearly unusable before we made the decision (we only have a single option for fibre which didn't help). If only the iMac failed it would be so much easier if the decision was made for me!Rob, I think it's reasonable to update a 2012 model - it's 8 years old after all. But doing it next year will obviously get you a faster machine, and an even faster one the year after that. I guess it's a question of how long you're happy keep using the existing machine you have.
1. I use all the adobe products and they have not been optimised for the new system so I won't see a huge speed difference.
My mini arrive yesterday so I got to have a play about today and get everything setup. All I can say is wow.
my current iMac is a 20155k retina with a 4ghz i7 processor, 32gb ram, the upgraded GPU which at the time was a 4gb Radeon something or other that cost me an extra £400 I think.
lightroom was never particularly bad performance wise but there was definitely some lag here and there especially once a few local adjustments had been added, brush would sometimes stutter while painting and it would take a few seconds to render full quality when zooming in. Capture One was useable and actually pretty good performance wise but Luma Range masking was impossible to use. I have to click the slider, wait about 4-5 seconds then click the slider again before I could start moving it, viewing the mask took ages to display it was awful.
Mac Mini on a 4K screen, everything just works and works fast, no stuttering brushes, no lag, full image resolution is immediate when zooming in, Capture One’s Luma range is as smooth as a babies bottom.
the only downside is I can’t calibrate the screen. It seems that with the new hardware none of the profiling apps work yet, but they seem to be working on it.
You can already run Lightroom natively, see here. Photoshop in 2021 according to Adobe.
You can already run Lightroom natively, see here. Photoshop in 2021 according to Adobe.
Is that LR classic? Pretty sure it isnt.
Not sure if Adobe will make LR Classic run native in M1.that’s not LR Classic......yet
Not sure if Adobe will make LR Classic run native in M1.
Then the answer is yes they will. Why wouldn’t they?It was more of a question rather than stating a matter of fact.
The Adobe photography plan subscription includes 3 apps ‘Photoshop Lightroom’, ‘Photoshop Lightroom Classic’ and ‘’Photoshop’ to give them proper Adobe names.Was thinking of the non-sub based version, as I know there are still people that uses this 'Classic'. But this has already been officially abandoned by Adobe in '17 (had to look this up) so my point is, well, pointless.
This video explains how the Apple Silicon came to be and what it's all about.
Also, one can't really compare the normal RAM to that on the M1, that would be like comparing 50mg of Paracetamol with 50mg of Ibuprofen - just because both say 50gm doesn't mean they perform the same.
Lastly, unless the point of purchase is just before the release of a new model, I'm really struggling to understand the sentiment of ' there's going to be X model next year, let's wait '. I mean, there's always going to be a newer better model every year - that's how the manufacturer gets you to buy new gear.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuF9weSkS68
The Adobe photography plan subscription includes 3 apps ‘Photoshop Lightroom’, ‘Photoshop Lightroom Classic’ and ‘’Photoshop’ to give them proper Adobe names.
Hmm... I can try to see if Lightroom 5 will run on my new M1 Macbook Air via Rosetta...?