Jon I was just making mention of an incident and having a rant. I am not seeking publicity or to get the officers investigated. As i said the main point was about being able to take photographs.
As for the deadly weapon part, the police said they would take that with a pinch of salt as the lad never produced a weapon.
I cant help but feel that you are trying to wind me up.
He told me. He said "I know Im drunk and only 17 and your probably much older but if we start fightin Ill (insert profanity here) stab you"
Charming.
Lol yeah but then id be charged. Losing my job and not being able to afford my house for my soon to be born baby. Best just to let the wee you know whats think they are hard and hope for an outcome from a police enquirey.
Paul
And what about poor Sam Coleridge, then?
In Xanadu did Kubla Khan
A stately pleasure-dome decree:
Where Alph, the sacred river, ran
Through caverns measureless to man
Down to a sunless sea.
So twice five miles of fertile ground
With walls and towers were girdled round:
And there were gardens bright with sinuous rills,
Where blossomed many an incense-bearing tree;
And here were forests ancient as the hills,
Enfolding sunny spots of greenery.
But oh! that deep romantic chasm which slanted
Down the green hill athwart a cedarn cover!
A savage place! as holy and enchanted
As e'er beneath a waning moon was haunted
By woman wailing for her demon-lover!
And from this chasm, with ceaseless turmoil seething,
As if this earth in fast thick pants were breathing,
A mighty fountain momently was forced:
Amid whose swift half-intermitted burst
Huge fragments vaulted like rebounding hail,
Or chaffy grain beneath the thresher's flail:
And 'mid these dancing rocks at once and ever
It flung up momently the sacred river.
Five miles meandering with a mazy motion
Through wood and dale the sacred river ran,
Then reached the caverns measureless to man,
And sank in tumult to a lifeless ocean:
And 'mid this tumult Kubla heard from far
Ancestral voices prophesying war!
The shadow of the dome of pleasure
Floated midway on the waves;
Where was heard the mingled measure
From the fountain and the caves.
It was a miracle of rare device,
A sunny pleasure-dome with caves of ice!
A damsel with a dulcimer
In a vision once I saw:
It was an Abyssinian maid,
And on her dulcimer she played,
Singing of Mount Abora.
Could I revive within me
Her symphony and song,
To such a deep delight 'twould win me
That with music loud and long
I would build that dome in air,
That sunny dome! those caves of ice!
And all who heard should see them there,
And all should cry, Beware! Beware!
His flashing eyes, his floating hair!
Weave a circle round him thrice,
And close your eyes with holy dread,
For he on honey-dew hath fed
And drunk the milk of Paradise.
...he wrote. That was as far as he got when some scrote from Porlock knocked on his door, and made him forget the other 74 verses! I mean, think how much he lost, getting paid by the line as poets were back then.
Point of Order: How do you know he was 17?
Now, where had we got to. Ah yes. Shakespeare. 37 plays he's credited with, as we all know...
In my line of work though, even a pending investigation will mean I cant work in the places I work. And an investigation can take years sometimes so it would not be viable. Its frustrating but thats the life I chose.
Where in Scotland is it youre from POAH?
Paul
strumstrum said:Um did you read which section this post is in??
Think this lads had one too many ales
shouldl have just smashed him in the face at that point
Why are people to easy to blame the police. Come on, doesn't common sense apply in this situation. Would you walk about with a necklace around your neck with £1000 wrapped around it in a dodgy area and being totally oblivious as to what might happen - because that's just what you have done. Surely that's not the police to blame but society today and the way some parents raise their children - I could go on but that's another debate. Yes I totally agree you should be able to go wherever and whenever you want but unfortunately you can't, that's not the police to blame is it.
The law says you are quite within your rights to defend yourself as long as its proportionate to the situation. I.e. if he hit you and then you go chasing after him, catch him up and punch him in the face then you have gone too far. But, if you give a pre emptive strike on him and punch him in the face before or as he is hitting you - then there is no issues with this. You have defended yourself, lawfully.
Come on don't blame the police for everything, yes there is some lazy ones out there - don't tar them all with the same brush. Yes your description of your assailant might be very distinctive to you at the time, don't forget the police deal with these type of people on a daily basis and one idiot looks and dresses much the same as another. Unfortunately it's the same old story, they are understaffed, overworked and can't do right in anyone's eyes. Surely blame the government for this rather than your local police?
big soft moose said:where'd the fun be in that
its like giving accurate advice - more trouble than its worth (for example a pre emptive strike will not be seen by the police as legitimate self defence)
I do to
s. 3(1) Criminal Law Act 1967
" A person may use such force as is reasonable in the circumstances in the prevention of crime, or in effecting or in assisting in the lawful arrest of offenders or suspected offenders or of persons unlawfully at large".
indeed - but punching him in the face because he looked at you funny isnt 'reasonable in the the circumstances of the prevention of a crime' - punching him in the teeth premptively after he pulls a knife would be fine , as would putting him in an armlock after he takes a swing at you .
but the police won't look kindly on striking first preemptively just because you think he'd going to hit you
personally I'd not be down at Xscape late at night - heck there are plenty of scum down there during the day lol
I think it's down to circumstances. If someone was being aggressive, and threatening a first strike could be regarded as reasonable behaviour in defense. Depends on the situation of course.
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Although you've got a point its about the perception that the police have when they arrive on scene - he says some words, you hit him, he hits you back - the police turn up see two blokes fighting (especially in a bad area where such things are common) and nick you both for affray
after that your story is , "he threatened me So I hit him" , and his story is "he hit me first i was just defending myself"
The police and PF see it as two sides of the coin and you both wind up with an assault/affray/disturbing the peace charge
My feeling on this is if you are going to strike first , only do so when there are no witnesses, do so decisively, end the confrontation quickly and then walk away without involving the police.
If you want to involve the law don't strike first (unless you really have to, to defend yourself from an imediate and apparent threat - like him pulling a blade)
You are there with a tripod and camera.... Enjoying taking a few photos....
The other guy aNed with a knife in his pocketpoor misunderstood youth whose only crime is wanting a job and a steady home life......
There's only one view I'd take and in any case it would NEVER go to court - although the ned might get arrested if (as is likely) it's not a first offense.
Yes a few sides no doubt but you have to look at the whole scenaro.