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Well Nige I realise that but it can be annoying watching the TV series "how it is made" and a small country like the Netherlands produces things like an enormous green house for growing tomatoes, even escape slides for aircraft, salvage ships etc and I think to myself where are our entrepreneurs\engineers etc..it seems all the talented people are in the city as bankers etc
We were the first in the world to build a nuclear power station and now asking the Chinese or French to build them
Teething troubles, I mean what could possibly go wrong with blowing loads of air through a stack of hot carbon?
but we import extra electricity from France. It seems to me the politicians would rather buy from France than create jobs to produce more of our own electricity over the years.
Now...buying stuff from Europe - how's it going?
View: https://www.reddit.com/r/Dachshund/comments/ew85br/ellie_pretending_to_be_innocent/Isn't there a special area for Politics on the TP Forum?
rather than the political opinions posted here it would be nice to keep members own political views elsewhere IMO
we import extra electricity from France. I
Now...buying stuff from Europe - how's it going?
Point of order, we had 16 years of "New Labour". I'm not saying old Labour would have relaxed the law on cannabis just that I wouldn't want to see anything that suggested the Labour of Blair and Brown was in anyway remotely different to the current shower in power or opposition.Is this true? I mean more so than other parties? We had 16 years of Labour rule and they didn't change a thing. That's more time in power than the Tories have had so far and indeed are likely to have.
The other side of the coin:
Customers in Europe hit by post-Brexit charges when buying from UK
Shoppers tell of shock at unexpected bills for VAT or customs declarations as some retailers stop shipping to continentwww.theguardian.com
This is obviously going to hit British exporters to the EU. Unless they are selling something unique (perhaps one of our innovative jams and marmalades), an EU customer will be better off using a supplier within the Single Market & Customs Union.
The VAT part is actually an EU Tax change, its just that the EU has delayed its implementation from 1/1/2021 to 1/7/2021 - so all of this is going to happen further down the line for EU states. the UK decided to implement it on the original date
so after 1/7/21 if you are a Hong Kong company shipping items less than £135 into either EU or UK you will have to account for the VAT due, and will therefore need both UK and EU VAT Reg Nos, I assume that the EU VAT Reg will be at standard rates as each member state often has different VAT rates!
Its a policy to make sure that VAT is collected on low value goods, which often passed under the radar
Mike, I think this answers my original question, at least to my satisfaction, particularly the second link about online marketplaces, which I think must refer to fleabay and the like. Looks like EU individual sellers don't get loaded up with much extra red tape, the marketplace does. But AFAICS I get landed with VAT and duty if applicable!...
Just this morning I asked for prices from a UK supplier to be told some of the items I wanted came from Europe and where no longer available as the manufacturer doesn't want to be bothered with the UKs new paperwork. Unfortunately many of the specialised laboratory devices sold by that company are not available from other sources.
Hopefully there will be some specialist distributors setting up business to deal with the brexit import mess, so such items will become available again. They may offer a service to private individuals too, similar to some of the shipping services available from the US.
I think the latest on importing is shown here:
VAT and overseas goods sold directly to customers in the UK
How sellers deal with VAT for goods from overseas that they sell direct to customers in the UK.www.gov.ukVAT and overseas goods sold to customers in the UK using online marketplaces
How online marketplaces will deal with VAT for goods from overseas that are sold to customers in the UK.www.gov.uk
I've had good results from Macodirect and FotoImpex, both based in Germany....
For us, just looking to buy from the UK suppliers we know and trust, it's made it more expensive. Wondering if there's others here who know good suppliers in the EU? Given the Finland mention above for example, I know Kameratori in Tempere are a well respected supplier of large format and other equipment. But curious to find a good supplier of paper stocks and other supplies, much as Silverprint could be relied upon for, but within the EU.
I guess you'd have as much of a warranty buying from EU as from any other 3rd country, that is... it depends! Best read any warranty small print very carefully.I wonder what happens with warranties? Previously you'd get the standard EU 2 years but as UK is a third country would you get that same warranty if you bought from the EU now?
Also what happens with sending items to be serviced in the EU? My mamiya was serviced and repaired in Germany. You could just put things in a box and send them.
I so desperately want to rant, but I shall refrain as I don't want to give @The Big Yin a headache
Coincidentally... can we have an "I Love TBY" emoji?
The EU will have their own import VAT arrangements later in the year (these were due to come in the same time as ours, but were postponed because of Covid). As we'll probably end up doing with many other things, we've basically followed an EU line without having any influence over their decision, but haven't implemented our version very well. Traders in China (etc.) will have to make tax arrangements with the EU (they only need to do this once to trade with all 27 countries) and independently with us (if they can be bothered to access the much smaller UK market).
But we'll probably notice the effect on UK - EU trade more, because companies that operate mostly within the Single Market won't have to do anything new to trade with other EU countries, but will have to deal with HMRC if they want to trade with us (which for some won't be worth the hassle).
I guess ending the VAT exemption for low cost imports is intended to counter abuse of the system by people like those grey market traders who put some spurious low values on their customs declarations, as well as to level the playing field on cheap goods, where local traders are currently at an unfair disadvantage.
Even a UK company has chosen to stop selling in the UK.
Brooks England distributor reacts to stories claiming saddle sales to the UK have stopped due to Brexit
UK distribution and availability unchanged despite website Brexit noticewww.cyclingweekly.com
It would be best if we kept to the usual F&C thought model of "gentlemens club" yes... as in discussion of religion or politics will mean that the decanter is moved away from the member in question and they'll be asked to retire for the night...Isn't there a special area for Politics on the TP Forum?
rather than the political opinions posted here it would be nice to keep members own political views elsewhere IMO
This thread has been fascinating, and I'm genuinely sorry for some of you on here who's way of working has been seriously disrupted. In general the thread has been interesting and informative without too much politics or vitriol (again IMHO), but it obviously has the potential to spiral somewhat. Not sorry I opened the thread, and maybe it was in the wrong place, but the filmie folk probably wouldn't have seen it in the "other place".
So going forward can everyone (including you, Brian ) please keep it reasonably factual and leave the politics out of it. So not why this happened, good or bad, but what's happening and its implications?
And if @TheBigYin (to whom many plaudits for support of this forum, and for restraint) thinks it should be moved elsewhere, no worries!
We were moving towards a more general sales tax in any case. The previous Purchase Tax had started out as a levy on genuine luxury goods in the Second World War, but by the 60s the tax burden was shifting to everyday items:The hated VAT was a European idea and on UK entry into the EU the UK had to change our tax system which now hits the poorest people than the rich for their disposable incomes.
Sorry, the other Smilies said no.