Canon 5Ds & 5Dr

Seahorse said:
I am confused to why they would release 3 variants of the same camera tbh...
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Because, if true, they obviously think there is money to be had. If they only went 36mp, it would be a 'Nikon already have that, what's new?' attitude. With such a low high ISO rating, because you would assume of the large number of pixels, it will limit their versatility, and so probably sales. The higher price should compensate for that. ;)

Nikon was able to keep pretty good high ISO performance with the D800/810, and for many owners, it may be the only camera they ever need.

If the specs for these cameras are correct, then I'm surprised that they will not use the AF from the 7DII.
 
A cursory glance at the specs suggests Canon have really lost the plot. An upscaled 7dII sensor is no alternative to a Sony 36mp sensor.

There's interesting stuff with the new AF sensor, but high megapixel at low ISOs makes it a landscape and studio camera, and not an improvement for anyone else.
 
Phil V said:
A cursory glance at the specs suggests Canon have really lost the plot. An upscaled 7dII sensor is no alternative to a Sony 36mp sensor.

There's interesting stuff with the new AF sensor, but high megapixel at low ISOs makes it a landscape and studio camera, and not an improvement for anyone else.
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It looks as though that's exactly who it's aimed for, the reviews will be interesting to see how it will pan out, but it could be the upgrade to my 1Ds MKIII I'm looking for, if so, then Canon are on plot.
 
Interesting point on the AF sensor. If you watch the video on Les's link. The bloke from Canon states is the same as the 5D3, in fact the only real difference I can see is around the sensor and dual digic 6 processors
 
It's astonishing how far canon have come these past few years. The 5ds will revolutionise they way we take pictures. Well worth the wait....not.
 
Phil V said:
A cursory glance at the specs suggests Canon have really lost the plot. An upscaled 7dII sensor is no alternative to a Sony 36mp sensor.
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I thought they were going to use a Sony sensor, is this not the case?
 
Tempted, considering my A7R is bust. Would have to match its DR and colour depth mind.
 
From what i have read its a Canon designed sensor made by Sony, DR isnt up to Sony standards.
 
I don't see what the problem is about this camera, it says it's aimed at studio and landscape photographers so the specs stack up in favour of these types of photography. It's also said that it is not a replacement of the 5D3 so why compare it to this? Isn't the whole point of having different models is to provide specific tools for the job rather than to just pump out jack-of-all-trades cameras?
 
gman said:
I don't see what the problem is about this camera, it says it's aimed at studio and landscape photographers so the specs stack up in favour of these types of photography. It's also said that it is not a replacement of the 5D3 so why compare it to this? Isn't the whole point of having different models is to provide specific tools for the job rather than to just pump out jack-of-all-trades cameras?
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Exactly this...to my mind the only mistake canon have made here is keeping it with the 5D name as this is not really in the same range as the rest of the 5D lineage and a 5D4 will be along at some point in the future to replace the 5D3 though I must say I hope the 5D4 doesn't go to mental on mp as I'd rather better noise capability at high ISO
 
It looks like an amazing specification. A camera with these kind of qualities would have been unthinkable a few years ago.

Having said that I can't imagine ever needing a 50Mb file and I would have to replace my PC to deal with them. Having moved over towards wildlife photography in the last few years I don't think this is the camera for me, anyway, at only 5 frames a second.

Agreed about the model number made above. It may be only a small thing but it IS confusing.
 
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gman said:
I don't see what the problem is about this camera, it says it's aimed at studio and landscape photographers so the specs stack up in favour of these types of photography. It's also said that it is not a replacement of the 5D3 so why compare it to this? Isn't the whole point of having different models is to provide specific tools for the job rather than to just pump out jack-of-all-trades cameras?
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I think you are spot on Graham, and for Canon users, I think this camera will be an absolute game changer.
 
gman said:
I don't see what the problem is about this camera, it says it's aimed at studio and landscape photographers so the specs stack up in favour of these types of photography. It's also said that it is not a replacement of the 5D3 so why compare it to this? Isn't the whole point of having different models is to provide specific tools for the job rather than to just pump out jack-of-all-trades cameras?
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Have you seen the WEX preview video for this camera. It's almost embarrassing for the Canon rep who is asked to tell us what's new. After discussing the sensor he goes on to say how things are the same as with the 5d3. I think people expected a good few more improvements particularly with DR. Yes it'll do a good job as always but when the likes of Sony are pushing what's capable these days. Canon appear unfazed and reluctant to join in to show they are still a main player.
 
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gman said:
I don't see what the problem is about this camera, it says it's aimed at studio and landscape photographers so the specs stack up in favour of these types of photography. It's also said that it is not a replacement of the 5D3 so why compare it to this? Isn't the whole point of having different models is to provide specific tools for the job rather than to just pump out jack-of-all-trades cameras?
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The complaints are because people were expecting an updated sensor that would match or best the competition in areas like dynamic range, you'll often see people talking about Nikon or Sony alternatives as the sensor technology has been better for several years so it does seem a little like a missed opportunity.
 
http://www.dpreview.com/previews/canon-eos-5ds-sr/5

It's convenient to think of the new 50MP as essentially an upscaled version of the 20MP sensor inside the EOS 7D Mark II - minus the 7D II's Dual-pixel AF. The pixel pitch of 4.14 microns is certainly very similar across both sensors. Accordingly, Canon tells us that at a pixel level, noise levels should be very similar to the EOS 7D Mark II and slightly better than what we'd expect from a 5D Mark II (note: not a 5D Mark III). Oddly though, maximum ISO sensitivity is capped at ISO 6400, which extends only up to 12,800. Even more oddly, a Canon representative openly described this limitation as ‘arbitrary'. This is strange because the EOS 7D Mark II (remember the pixel pitch of its sensor is almost the same) can confidently shoot at ISO sensitivity settings up to 51,200.

Speaking of the EOS 7D Mark II, the new 5DS and 5DS R inherit its 150,000 pixel metering sensor, so although the cameras' 61-point phase-detection AF arrays are the same as the EOS 5D III, subject tracking should be (and seems to be, from our very brief first impressions) superior to the older model albeit, oddly, not up to the level of speed and accuracy offered by Canon's own 1D X, or Nikon's recent implementations of 3D tracking.

As far as dynamic range is concerned, we're told that the new 5DS and 5DS R should give the same performance as the current EOS 5D Mark III. If true, this means that the new cameras won't be able to offer the same industry-leading dynamic range of Sony's current APS-C and full-frame sensors, but at least it isn't a step backwards. And hey - 50MP!
 
I wonder if Canon are trying to creat more specialist equipment at the top end of its line up. With the 7dii for sports and wildlife and the 5ds/sr as the studio/landscape artist tool of chance. What about those of us who do both? I am also surprised that given they have pushed this towards landscape photographers that they haven't improved more on the dynamic range.
 
It's quite obvious that it's a DSLR attempt to match medium format. Studio and landscape use only really. Horses for course. Why do people get so het up if it's not a camera for them?
 
twist said:
http://www.dpreview.com/previews/canon-eos-5ds-sr/5

As far as dynamic range is concerned, we're told that the new 5DS and 5DS R should give the same performance as the current EOS 5D Mark III. If true, this means that the new cameras won't be able to offer the same industry-leading dynamic range of Sony's current APS-C and full-frame sensors, but at least it isn't a step backwards. And hey - 50MP!
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Given the 5Diii can't even match a sony compact camera for DR I susect this will be a big let down to those hoping to use this camera for landscape use. It might have the megapixels (although even 36 is too much imo) but if its 3 stops of DR behind the Nikon and Sony 'landscape' cameras its hardly a suited application.
 
Brazo said:
Given the 5Diii can't even match a sony compact camera for DR I susect this will be a big let down to those hoping to use this camera for landscape use. It might have the megapixels (although even 36 is too much imo) but if its 3 stops of DR behind the Nikon and Sony 'landscape' cameras its hardly a suited application.
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I was thinking exactly the same thing.
 
The23rdman said:
It's quite obvious that it's a DSLR attempt to match medium format. Studio and landscape use only really. Horses for course. Why do people get so het up if it's not a camera for them?
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Who knows, plenty out there to choose from. I guess the Canon users have been waiting for something with decent DR for a while though.
 
twist said:
Who knows, plenty out there to choose from. I guess the Canon users have been waiting for something with decent DR for a while though.
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Canon have lost the plot all round anyway.
 
There doesn't seem to be any mention as to what lenses are up to the job for a 50Mpixel camera.

Also when Canon announced the 1DsMk3 they "claimed" it would / could replace medium format cameras. Doesn't seemed to have happened. Not sure this 5D will either.

Don't think I'll be rushing to trade in my 5D3
 
So its official then? I have not seen any press conferences around this? Was it launched in some specific country?
 
Phil V said:
A cursory glance at the specs suggests Canon have really lost the plot. An upscaled 7dII sensor is no alternative to a Sony 36mp sensor.

There's interesting stuff with the new AF sensor, but high megapixel at low ISOs makes it a landscape and studio camera, and not an improvement for anyone else.
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I heard alot of people saying very similar things around the d800....... I do think they should maybe of used it first. These things often turn out alot more versitile then first impressions
 
'Canon release barely updated camera no one wants'..shocker :)

I vote we wait until some real world reviews surface before it gets the beat-down.

I remember kicking the Mk3 to bits (HDR...who needs HDR)...and now we all love it.
 
quango2k said:
'Canon release barely updated camera no one wants'..shocker :)
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Time will tell but I suspect that even if this camera is based on 7D technology and even if it's the worst 35mm equivalent camera on sale by some or several technical measurements they'll still sell by the ship load to people who are brand loyal or who feel locked in and also to people who have a genuine use despite the limitations that other people perceive.

Despite what owners of other brands may think Canon do (I think:D) know what they're doing and I personally don't think that this camera will be a dog and bomb. Time will tell though.
 
Agreed, pretty sure Canons marketing team know a little more than us. Certainly see no need to sell any kit to change bodies so far :)

patiently waiting for a 1dx replacement...not because I want whatever it will be, I just want to buy a second 1dx a lot cheaper haha
 
I think Matts hit the nail on the head here, canons biggest mistake has been giving the camera a "5D" badge. It's a fantastic spec but just not in line with the past few 5D's. I'm sure the mark 4 will be back to its normal self.
 
I saw some images from Canon and the 5ds/r today...O M G !!
 
AndyWest said:
I saw some images from Canon and the 5ds/r today...O M G !!
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Yes, despite all the nonsense talked by half the internet these JPEGs are surprisingly the finest posted on any dSLR product website. So is it really so bad? Maybe it is quite good. RAW files will be very revealing once they come. Cleaner shadows is the only thing missing from 5D3 sensor. I hate the forced DR look from Sony sensors. It is fake-ish in some aspects.
 
Not sure if these are the ones referred to, but apparently these are official Canon jpgs.
 
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