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Just what I was thinking, you buy the 7D II for the extra reach etc. in this case there is no point in scaling down the image to match the 5D III when the 7D II is clearly better with your moon shots because of the reach the crop factor
Pretty pointless test if you ask me, that's like down sampling crops from a 50mp 5Ds shot to match the 5D III (22mp), what's the point in that when your comparing them for detail because they are two completely different beasts?
There is no point in that though if your buying the 7D II for the reach is there surely?
I am interested in understanding the quality differences between FF and APS-C. In John's moon shots, the enlarged 5D3 shot is clearly of lower quality than the straight 7D2. This helps illustrates that when reach is required the APS-C gives better results than enlarging the FF to the same image size. Clear win for APS-C. However, what is also interesting (well to me anyway) is if you scale down and APS-C image to match the FF what are the quality difference when reach isn't required. There is a lot of talk that FF is always better than APS-C. But is it really?
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In simple terms the better IQ offer by full frame is only realised when you make use of the extra sensor area by using a longer focal length (or getting closer). When you're focal length limited a good crop body is likely to deliver better results. When not focal length limited full frame should win.
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When I tested my 1DX against the MkII and adjusted the distance to give the same framing the FF was better. Maybe not 'jump in your face' better but overall a better image and that difference, as you would expect, increased at higher ISO.
Its really a case of what your requirements are in your photography. I try to keep my shutter speeds up so very rarely shoot below ISO 800, even in good light. When I had both bodies if I could get the shot with my 500 + 1.4 on my 1DX over the bare 500 on the MkII I would use the 1DX.
I tended to use the MkII eventually in good light as a walk about camera with a 100-400 MkII on it.
What would be more interesting, from my perspective, would be to see a 5DS cropped to a 1.6 and compare those.
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Just to show that i'm not a 7Dmk2 hater 
Bempton Peregrine. by Neil Brimacombe, on Flickr
One thing i do notice is the huge variance in what people call a well focused sharp image, i've seen hundreds of images on various sites that people put up and say "look how good this is" but in reality would of gone straight in my recycle bin.
Those that are happy then enjoy, for the rest of us the wait goes on
Bempton Peregrine. by Neil Brimacombe, on FlickrOne thing i do notice is the huge variance in what people call a well focused sharp image, i've seen hundreds of images on various sites that people put up and say "look how good this is" but in reality would of gone straight in my recycle bin.
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I think it has more to do with pixel density rather than overall sensor size. The 7DII has a much higher density than the 5DIII and 1DX (hence smaller pixels). Smaller pixels catch less light and tend to have more noise, however as technology advances the efficiency gets better and so this really only applies to sensors using similar levels of tech.
As Gaz said a comparison between the 5DS and 7DII would be interesting as they have closer pixel densities.
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Just to show that i'm not a 7Dmk2 hater
One thing i do notice is the huge variance in what people call a well focused sharp image, i've seen hundreds of images on various sites that people put up and say "look how good this is" but in reality would of gone straight in my recycle bin.
Those that are happy then enjoy, for the rest of us the wait goes on
That's very nice Neil. I agree with you on what constitutes a sharp image. Even allowing for compression on various site, including this one, i see too many that I consider slightly too soft for me.
I'm not a MkII hater, just not a user anymore.
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Hi John
As you say horses for coarse's springs to mind. I think the problems occur when we try to justify one camera over another. We all have different uses for them as well as having different lenses what suits one person won't suit another. Some people only have one body some of his are luckier to have two or more so we can be more specific in what we want them for.
My only real issues with the 7d mkii seem to be inconsistencies between bodies that said the last two I have handled seem to be on par with one another. I still haven't ruled one out but I shall wait and see what the future holds.
P.s Try the resizing when you have the ISO wound up a bit it goes back in the 5D mkiii's favour the further the ISO is increased.
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That's a test I don't need to do, because the answer is already perfectly obvious. Don't think I want to be running the 7Dii beyond ISO1600, which makes it at least twice as good as its predecessor, but a long way off the 5Diii.
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So no one is allowed to comment on any thread about a piece of equipment if they don't own it??
There are several 'owners' on here who have benefited from advice from ex owners and I expect there will be several more.
Of course maybe only current owners are the only ones worth listening too. Somehow I doubt it.
As for comparisons with more expensive bodies. Chuck Westfall from Canon actually gave a comparison between the MkII, 5D3 & 1DX. So if he is comparing it then whats wrong with continuing the comparison.
The MkII has far more in common with the more expensive cameras than it does with any previous 1.6 crop body from Canon and if you cannot see that then maybe its you who should stop posting here.
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I have made a comment before about the comparisons that are made between the mk2 and other models. W at I will add is I upgraded from 550d so for me and a lot of other people great upgrade. I did not look at 1d far to expensive and I didn't want a second hand one so I never went down that route. Still a good camera and a good upgrade.
at I will add is I upgraded from 550d so for me and a lot of other people great upgrade. I did not look at 1d far to expensive and I didn't want a second hand one so I never went down that route. Still a good camera and a good upgrade.
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I have made a comment before about the comparisons that are made between the mk2 and other models. W
My sentiments exactly it is a good upgrade for many people. But to try to compare it to it's more expensive brethren in the same stable is a waste of time. As a crop Sensor camera it takes some beating. If it does what you require of it then enjoy it. If not sell it and buy a different body. It is still informative though to say why it doesn't work for you because if another member is photographing the same sort of things as a person who doesn't like it. It may stop them making a costly mistake this is not just the 7d mkii but any bit of kit.
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I hope the picture of the box wasn't taken with the 7DII, as the noise is terrible.
galaxy s4 and instagram to thank for that..
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It's a different camera its made with a budget in mind and within that budget it does the job
Quite well I may add.
But you get what you pay for if you aren't
happy with your 1Dx I will quite happily buy you another Brand new 7D mkii and give you in exchange for it If people are going to compare things you do it against what they are competing against in their price bracket.
One thing I never do is put a piece of camera kit on a pedastal because they all can be improved I don't see the point in saying things are perfect when they aren't because we are kidding ourselves. We buy what suits us and what does the job you want. Some people are saying because of the crop factor the 7d mkii is better than another camera so going by this thought the new Canon 5Ds is the best camera going because it has the same pixel pitch as a 7d but 50 million of them at the base ISO I must admit it knocks the socks off everything even at half a frame. Then again it's ISO capability is Cr** compared to the 5D mkiii. It's peoples preferences.
Enjoy the camera for what it is to try and compare it with others is useless even my compact
Beats the 7d mkii, 5d mkiii and 1Dx in certain areas it has 4k video for a start.
Panasonic Lx100 in case you are wondering
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Don't like what I have to say then feel free to add me to your ignore list. Same for anyone else.
I will compare it to what I see it most closely associated to. I have already said that it has plus points even over the more expensive bodies. In fact, without trawling back through posts, I think that my main criticism of it has been its ISO and a slight lag in its AF compared to the other bodies. Its no more pointless comparing it to a 1DX than it is to a 550D.
It's a different camera its made with a budget in mind and within that budget it does the job
Quite well I may add.
But you get what you pay for if you aren't
If people are going to compare things you do it against what they are competing against in their price bracket.
One thing I never do is put a piece of camera kit on a pedastal because they all can be improved I don't see the point in saying things are perfect when they aren't because we are kidding ourselves. We buy what suits us and what does the job you want. Some people are saying because of the crop factor the 7d mkii is better than another camera so going by this thought the new Canon 5Ds is the best camera going because it has the same pixel pitch as a 7d but 50 million of them at the base ISO I must admit it knocks sots off everything even at half a frame. Then again it's ISO capability is Cr** compared to the 5D mkiii. It's peoples preferences.
Enjoy the camera for what it is to try and compare it with others is useless even my compact
Beats the 7d mkii, 5d mkiii and 1Dx in certain areas it has 4k video for a start
There isn't anything in its price bracket to compare it to unless its the D750.
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Hi Gaz
That's the problem that and the baby 1dx comment it makes people compare it to the more expensive cameras it can't win. If we put it into context on price alone is the 1 Dx three times better it isn't. Are we expecting to much from the 7d Yes is the answer.
What we should compare it against is the camera it replaced. In that regard it really begins to shine
Better AF
Better Frame Rate
Better ISO
Better Resolution
Better Build Quality
I could go on is it perfect no. I wanted one for traveling most importantly long haul stuff pairing it with the new 400mm f4 do mkii I had 2 issues why I didn't go for it the biggest being the ISO and being to close to the 1d mk iv for me to call that's another camera to compare it against. The other issue was the in consistency between the bodies I am slowly beginning to think maybe that is down to earlier bodies.
To all it may concern
This is one no doubt I am going to get some flack over and one reason i very rarely post these days.
The trouble with forums is people who would get on in a pub and have a laugh over these very same type of conversations tend to loose their rag more with the written word and we are all to blame thin skinned comes to mind and I truly believe that people will get more so as time goes on in this texting age. People just can't be bothered to talk any more.
time to depart I have a nasty feeling I may be due a holiday if the mods take it the wrong way
That's the problem that and the baby 1dx comment it makes people compare it to the more expensive cameras it can't win. If we put it into context on price alone is the 1 Dx three times better it isn't. Are we expecting to much from the 7d Yes is the answer.
What we should compare it against is the camera it replaced. In that regard it really begins to shine
Better AF
Better Frame Rate
Better ISO
Better Resolution
Better Build Quality
I could go on is it perfect no. I wanted one for traveling most importantly long haul stuff pairing it with the new 400mm f4 do mkii I had 2 issues why I didn't go for it the biggest being the ISO and being to close to the 1d mk iv for me to call that's another camera to compare it against. The other issue was the in consistency between the bodies I am slowly beginning to think maybe that is down to earlier bodies.
To all it may concern
This is one no doubt I am going to get some flack over and one reason i very rarely post these days.
The trouble with forums is people who would get on in a pub and have a laugh over these very same type of conversations tend to loose their rag more with the written word and we are all to blame thin skinned comes to mind and I truly believe that people will get more so as time goes on in this texting age. People just can't be bothered to talk any more.
time to depart I have a nasty feeling I may be due a holiday if the mods take it the wrong way
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Hi Gaz
That's the problem that and the baby 1dx comment it makes people compare it to the more expensive cameras it can't win. If we put it into context on price alone is the 1 Dx three times better it isn't. Are we expecting to much from the 7d Yes is the answer.
What we should compare it against is the camera it replaced. In that regard it really begins to shine
Better AF
Better Frame Rate
Better ISO
Better Resolution
Better Build Quality
I could go on is it perfect no. I wanted one for traveling must importantly long haul stuff pairing it with the new 400mm f4 do mkii I had 2 issues why I didn't go for it the biggest being the ISO and being to close to the 1d mk iv for me to call that's another camera to compare it against. The other issue was consistency between the bodies I am slowly beginning to think maybe that is down to earlier bodies.
To all it may concern
This is one no doubt I am going to get some flack over and one reason i very rarely post these days.
The trouble with forums is people who would get on in a pub and have a laugh over these very same type of conversations tend to loose their rag more with the written word and we are all to blame thin skinned comes to mind and I truly believe that people will get more so as time goes on in this texting age. People just can't be bothered to talk any more.
The problem is, the budget.
Many people can't afford expensive cameras or lenses but they wish very hard that cheaper alternatives is as good as those expensive gear if not better, so they try many non-scientific tests [rare scientific] to comment about how good or how bad, and if they see something wrong then they complain or cry why it isn't as good as those expensive one, and most funny thing is that when they find out that it isn't on par with those expensive ones then they just accept it and keep saying it is as much good as those expensive one, like they are lying to themselves and try to lie to others, accept wrong thing or a difficult fact doesn't mean anything rather than what all you say "You get what you pay for", i paid expensive for 1DX so i will get what i paid for, if i bought 7D2 i will never compare it or put it in same class as 1DX, even i never put my 1DsII in same class as my 5D classic even my 1DsIII surpass both my 1DsII and 5D classic regardless they are all full frame cameras.
So simply, people keep looking for a camera that is super AF speed and super high ISO capability and super fps and super resolution with super price, Canon/Nikon will never make any camera that have all what you want and more than what you want for cheap price, sure technology is getting better and after say 5 years you will see a camera that is 5 times better than 7D markii with almost same price less than $2000, but that time Canon/Nikon will produce camera that is in $6000-8000 range that will surpass 1DX/D4s/D810 and then again people will try to put those cheaper less than $2000 cameras into comparison with those $5000-10000 cameras, it will never end, it is part of human nature, and those manufacturers will never make a perfect all complete whole camera so we all buy it and never look back or buy something newer for long years, they will lose, so they play with us by producing different cameras levels with each have pros and cons and leave us with those silly comparisons and more confusion and only lucky people with a lot of money/budget buy expensive things and the story is keep going on and on.
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Hi Gaz
That's the problem that and the baby 1dx comment it makes people compare it to the more expensive cameras it can't win. If we put it into context on price alone is the 1 Dx three times better it isn't. Are we expecting to much from the 7d Yes is the answer.
What we should compare it against is the camera it replaced. In that regard it really begins to shine
Better AF
Better Frame Rate
Better ISO
Better Resolution
Better Build Quality
I could go on is it perfect no. I wanted one for traveling must importantly long haul stuff pairing it with the new 400mm f4 do mkii I had 2 issues why I didn't go for it the biggest being the ISO and being to close to the 1d mk iv for me to call that's another camera to compare it against. The other issue was consistency between the bodies I am slowly beginning to think maybe that is down to earlier bodies.
To all it may concern
This is one no doubt I am going to get some flack over and one reason i very rarely post these days.
The trouble with forums is people who would get on in a pub and have a laugh over these very same type of conversations tend to loose their rag more with the written word and we are all to blame thin skinned comes to mind and I truly believe that people will get more so as time goes on in this texting age. People just can't be bothered to talk any more.
No flak from me Richard.
I just think some people are missing the fact that it doesnt compete with anything.
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Hi Tareq
I think you have hit the nail squarely on the head
I know that, and i really feel sorry for us photographers in the world, either buying expensive and getting professional/advanced or just wish to have budget to buy something we want/like [not necessary need, hahaha].
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Shot from a couple of days ago in the heavy rain.
Canon 7D Mark II - 500mm f/4L - 1.4x III Extender - Gitzo GT2542S - Wimberley Head MKII
(1120mm total with crop factor)
f/8 - 1/320 - ISO 500
Just over 50% crop.
Canon 7D Mark II - 500mm f/4L - 1.4x III Extender - Gitzo GT2542S - Wimberley Head MKII
(1120mm total with crop factor)
f/8 - 1/320 - ISO 500
Just over 50% crop.
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True, what should be Canon's competition, Nikon, don't have a camera to compete head to head. The D7200 is bettered in every way bar the sensor performance, which is arguably the most important aspect, but a camera is not just a sensor, and it has to be assessed as a whole, dependent on your personal needs. That the 7DII has been compared to the top of the range Canon speed machines shows how well Canon specced the 7DII imho. Is it a surprise that it doesn't win some of those comparisons? No, but to be close to cameras costing 3-4 times the price commendable.
For most people cost is a factor in the cameras they buy, and they can't be changing cameras too often. As a speed machine, and generally very good all round camera, the 7DII is hard to beat, and if you don't want to go FF, then it is the best choice imho. If Canon had the quality of Sensors that Nikon have, then Nikon could be in big trouble.
As a Nikon user, they haven't given me a new camera option to buy for over five years, and the 7DII could eventually be my new camera. Would a 2nd hand FF speed camera not be a better choice? Not for me. I don't want the size, weight and expense. I also don't want the increase in lens size and cost to get the coverage I have now. Those are my choices, if you have the options to buy and compare, and maybe sell if if it is not right, then go for it.
Continue to point out any comparisons, good or bad, with other cameras, but always keep in mind what you are comparing. All information is good in helping others with maybe less options, to make a correct choice on a camera they may be using for many years.
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Shot from a couple of days ago in the heavy rain.
Canon 7D Mark II - 500mm f/4L - 1.4x III Extender - Gitzo GT2542S - Wimberley Head MKII
(1120mm total with crop factor)
f/8 - 1/320 - ISO 500
Just over 50% crop.
If you didn't mention the camera and the lens i may say it is from 1DX or D800 with 500 or 600mm lens, so this 7D2 is capable of a great shots and using 500 with 1.4x you got more reach with the crop factor already there, and ISO500 is still in safe range for those cameras, well done, maybe if i will buy 7D2 then i must buy 500/600 lens too, lol.
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The 7D2 is a very capable camera as you say, The crop factors added to help of getting this much close detail in the shot, ISO 500 is perfectly fine on the 7D Mark II, ISO 1600 I would say is the limit for wildlife which I discussed sometime ago with Gaz, I tend to stick to ISO auto these days between 100-800, If I have the time to change bodies I will to a FF for the better ISO over 800 If I need to push it further, if I don't have the time to change or need the reach the 1.6x gives me then ill go upto ISO 1600, still a easily usable ISO when you have had a play around in PP.
Here is a shot I just dug out quickly at ISO 1600 with not much processing applied.
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So is it worth upgrading from my 50D yet?
What's this new-fangled 'live view' business?
Get one its a massive step up from a 50D, you know you want one
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Yes, from 50D it will be a big upgrade, it is like you are moving from Windows XP to Windows 7 for example, or better say Windows 98 to windows 7 [Windows 7 is 7D2 here].
I have 30D and it has a big step to my 1D3, so definitely 7D2 you will love it.
I have 30D and it has a big step to my 1D3, so definitely 7D2 you will love it.
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When i will find my 1D3 box then it will be my last times with 1D3, it sounds i shouldn't wait any longer and just sell my 1D3 and say hello to 7D MarkII, i am lucky enough to find it in local stores so cheap and can buy it immediately when i get the budget so i don't need to wait, in the past i was using online for my gear, not much these days after i found those local stores, just to tease you, is £600 too much for 7DII?!!! LOL, sorry
Ah, forgot to say congratulations to all new 7D mkII shooters.
Ah, forgot to say congratulations to all new 7D mkII shooters.
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Shot from a couple of days ago in the heavy rain.
Canon 7D Mark II - 500mm f/4L - 1.4x III Extender - Gitzo GT2542S - Wimberley Head MKII
(1120mm total with crop factor)
f/8 - 1/320 - ISO 500
Just over 50% crop.
Thats good technique Joe at that shutter speed mate.
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Hi, just want an honest answer from 7d Mk2 owners. I use a 7d1 for Motorsport & want to upgrade. I have mixed opinions on the mk2, some people love them, others have sold them not long after buying !
It's either a new 7d2 or a used 1d mk4 so I would like 7d2 users feedback please ?
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It's either a new 7d2 or a used 1d mk4 so I would like 7d2 users feedback please ?
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Cheers pal!