Canon EOS 5D Mark IV Owners Thread

I'm still baffled that, even though it's obviously aimed at video shooters (4K) as well as photographers, Canon STILL leave out video specific features like focus peaking, zebras etc (all of which are added via software in Magic Lantern so it's not like it's a physical limitaion).
 
So a pretty poor offering from Canon after all those years, and putting a £3600 price tag on it is having a laugh.
 
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EspressoJunkie said:
I'm still baffled that, even though it's obviously aimed at video shooters (4K) as well as photographers, Canon STILL leave out video specific features like focus peaking, zebras etc (all of which are added via software in Magic Lantern so it's not like it's a physical limitaion).
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Canon obviously wants to sell their {excellent} C line cameras to true video enthusiasts and this is what their marketing dept comes up with. Personally, video features currently do not worry me even a tiny bit right now. It will have Dual Pixel AF so most casual video shooters like myself would be taken good care of with that new feature alone.
 
LongLensPhotography said:
Canon obviously wants to sell their {excellent} C line cameras to true video enthusiasts and this is what their marketing dept comes up with. Personally, video features currently do not worry me even a tiny bit right now. It will have Dual Pixel AF so most casual video shooters like myself would be taken good care of with that new feature alone.
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This is true. But I also know of several professionals who use the 5d mkiii for video and at least 2 of them have moved to the Sony A7 series which have all those features already.
 
Geoff Moore said:
Thanks @T_J_G Although I appreciate the capabilities of the 5D3, I have always promised myself rightly or wrongly not to buy in to old technology. My purchase has to be an investment, as its coming out of my own monies and savings, I make no money off my photos its purely a hobby.
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Then you will never buy anything. As technology is always old :)
 
Jase said:
So a pretty poor offering from Canon after all those years, and putting a £3600 price tag on it is having a laugh.
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Apart from the price (which will go down) are we really this spoilt we consider this camera a "poor offering"?!
 
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Jase said:
So a pretty poor offering from Canon after all those years, and putting a £3600 price tag on it is having a laugh.
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I wouldn't call it a poor offering at all. The 5d3 has to be within the top 5 dslrs ever made and they have improved on that with specs alone.

If they have improved image quality (dynamic range) and minor things like the buffer clogging things up in continuous shooting especially with the sd card then lot for people will be happy, because most people aren't unhappy with a 5d3!

The moaning is quite rightly as you say about price, which is a high pre order one also affected by the pound. Although I have no doubt many manufacturers/retailers will use Brexit as an excuse to further increase margins.

The other reason people are complaining is partly due to what the 5 series are. As an all round workhorse the wedding guys will only look at it from their point of view, same as the landscape shooters or action photographers will clearly notice the missing features that would improve it further in their chosen genre. However it is a fantastic all round do it all camera not a specialised specific tool.
 
EspressoJunkie said:
This is true. But I also know of several professionals who use the 5d mkiii for video and at least 2 of them have moved to the Sony A7 series which have all those features already.
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This is hardly surprising. mk3 had awfully soft video without ML RAW hack and Sony A7S in particular offered a pretty good 4K. Well now the trend should be cancelled or even reversed since Canons video AF is far superior, until Sony counters and adds 8K :)
 
odd jim said:
Apart from the price (which will go down) are we really this spoilt we consider this camera a "poor effort"?!
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TBH with a lot of tech we seemed to have hit a bit of a plateau as though we're reaching the limits of what current tech can offer. Whether it be cameras, phones, computers etc etc there's nothing revolutionary or taking major steps forward.
 
Ballyman said:
Disappointing really, there is nothing that jumps out to make me want to upgrade from the 5D Mkiii. Especially at >€4000. I think the DSLR day is coming to an end, other technologies are catching up at a rate of knots and I've just pre ordered a Fuji X-T2. If the Fuji works as well as it's been reviewed then all my canon gear is going to be sold. You can get 2 X-T2's for less money than one Mkiv!!!!
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This has nothing to do with DSLR vs mirrorless or the longevity of DSLRs (one has a mirror, one doesn't, non issue, it has nothing to do with the tech here)?
 
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Giles2373 said:
I don't understand this from people, its too pricey, don't buy it. It might be frustrating if you were waiting and expecting it to be release at a far lower price, but there are always other options. It's the same for all products, not just cameras. Unless it's water, heating/fuel or food, I'm fairly ambivalent as everything else is pretty much a luxury and nice to have. If its too expensive for me then my money isn't spent or gets spent elsewhere. Life's too short to get worked up, especially when I have no idea on what it has taken to get that product developed, built, marketed and supplied to the consumer.
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The reaction is because of the investment in lenses and accessories. It looks like the 5D4 addresses some of the issues with the 5D3, and worth an upgrade, but not at that price. Swapping isn't simple :(
 
FlyTVR said:
The reaction is because of the investment in lenses and accessories. It looks like the 5D4 addresses some of the issues with the 5D3, and worth an upgrade, but not at that price. Swapping isn't simple :(
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I don't see why the price is such an issue - the 5d3 was released with an RRP of £2995 in the UK, but can now be bought for £1,600 - £1,900 new.

Add inflation, Brexit, the weak pound, the 5d4 price is about right TBH in comparison, for a better body.

Of course, the price will drop by about 40%, as they always do.

People need to stop banging on about the price when you can pre order the body for $3,400 now, that's less than the 5d3 was on release. In fact, the 5d3 was released with an rrp of $3,499 in the US, include inflation and the fact it's more camera for the money, it's a pretty good deal.

If the UK prices are hiked, that's not Canon's fault (see my previous post).
 
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odd jim said:
I don't see why the price is such an issue - the 5d3 was released with an RRP of £2995, but can now be bought for £1,600 - £1,900 new.

Add inflation, the 5d4 price is about right TBH in comparison, for a better body.

Of course, the price will drop by about 40%, as they always do.

People need to stop banging on about the price when you can pre order the body for $3,400 now, that's less than the 5d3 was on release. In fact, the 5d3 was released at $3,499, include inflation and the fact it's more camera for the money, it's a pretty good deal.
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Where can you buy new for £1600-1900, I've only seen grey for that price.
 
snerkler said:
Where can you buy new for £1600-1900, I've only seen grey for that price.
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You can buy it brand spanking new for £1,900 from Amazon UK (though now the only ones in stock seem to be via a reseller, warehoused and fulfilled by Amazon?)

But we should still be comparing to grey prices, their prices are still relevant ;). I'd guarantee most early adopters will be buying grey.
 
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odd jim said:
You can buy it brand spanking new for £1,900 from Amazon UK (though now the only ones in stock seem to be via a reseller, warehouses by Amazon?)

But what's wrong with buying or comparing to grey, their prices are still relevant ;). I'd guarantee most early adopters will be buying grey.
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Yeah they're 3rd party but fulfilled by Amazon. Not sure if UK or EU, not that it makes that much difference.

As for the grey, it's just you were comparing initial RRPs for the UK so it's then not a fair comparison to throw in grey ;)
 
snerkler said:
Yeah they're 3rd party but fulfilled by Amazon. Not sure if UK or EU, not that it makes that much difference.

As for the grey, it's just you were comparing initial RRPs for the UK so it's then not a fair comparison to throw in grey ;)
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I know, I threw them all in there :)

UK prices can't really be compared when new UK gear has been hit by Brexit and a weak pound, which has pushed all UK prices up, but even so the uk price is only £400 more than the 5d3 was on day one, the weak pound and confidence in the UK market is going to affect everything especially compared to the Yen.

The best comparison is the US market which shows Canon isn't really charging any more per unit for the mk4 than it did for the mk3 in 2012. In fact, they are charging £99 less per unit.

(It just so happens in paying a visit to B&H Photo in NY in November ;) ;) )
 
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odd jim said:
I know, I threw them all in there :)

UK prices can't really be compared when new UK gear has been hit by Brexit and a weak pound, which has pushed all UK prices up, but even so the uk price is only £400 more than the 5d3 was on day one, the weak pound and confidence in the UK market is going to affect everything especially compared to the Yen.

The best comparison is the US market which shows Canon isn't really charging any more per unit for the mk4 than it did for the mk3 in 2012. In fact, they are charging £99 less per unit.

(It just so happens in paying a visit to B&H Photo in NY in November ;) ;) )
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I'm not convinced the Brexit thing is just another excuse to pull our pants down even more ;)
 
snerkler said:
I'm not convinced the Brexit thing is just another excuse to pull our pants down even more ;)
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Neither am I per se but all the big camera shops warned about it last month affecting new imports from August. The pound is very weak against the Yen though which is more relevant I'd say (which actually was caused by brexit, we can't deny that!)

But TBH, I'm more interested in the 6d2!
 
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snerkler said:
I'm not convinced the Brexit thing is just another excuse to pull our pants down even more ;)
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the USD vs GBP and more importantly YEN vs GBP rates have changed for the worse, which means the price translates to a higher number. It is simple maths
 
LongLensPhotography said:
the USD vs GBP and more importantly YEN vs GBP rates have changed for the worse, which means the price translates to a higher number. It is simple maths
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Yes, I was joking :p
 
snerkler said:
Interesting, in what way did the D750 not match up to the 5D3?

I do think that Canon overprice though, the 5D3's still more expensive than the D810 which, on paper at least, is a far better camera and has excellent build quality. The 5D4 is double the price on release to what the D750 was (£1759 UK price) and £800 more than the D810 on release.
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Build quality and in my experience autofocus.

The D750 is the price it is because it's built like a el cheapo entry level camera

I must be one of the minority that didn't have a great experience with them (had at least 4) Now don't get me wrong the sensor was fabulous for recovering shadows etc
 
snerkler said:
Interesting, in what way did the D750 not match up to the 5D3?

I do think that Canon overprice though, the 5D3's still more expensive than the D810 which, on paper at least, is a far better camera and has excellent build quality. The 5D4 is double the price on release to what the D750 was (£1759 UK price) and £800 more than the D810 on release.
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Hello Mate,

I prefered the build of the 5D3 and the placement of the dials,the menus, the auto focus was good as well, it was brilliant for puffins flying at you at the farnes.

Nikons buttons just seem like an afterthought to me, i think i had the D750 about 4 months, the sensor was great though, the body was ok, but id say its more 6D quality than 5D.

I found my camera showing an egg timer as well when i was flicking through some menus or viewing pics, with a fast card as well, also when changing aperture it sometimes changed the iso without me touching anything else, which was bizzare.

I know you love your D750 , but it wasnt for me, i just prefer canon bodies and lenses.

I would love a 5D4 but it needs to drop a lot , then i think , shall i get a 1DX.

Im using a 1D3 at the moment, old tech! ive had a lot of canon bodies over the years, 300D, 20D,30D,40D 1D3, 5D2, 5D3, 1D4.
 
Balb0wa said:
Hello Mate,

I prefered the build of the 5D3 and the placement of the dials,the menus, the auto focus was good as well, it was brilliant for puffins flying at you at the farnes.

Nikons buttons just seem like an afterthought to me, .
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Would you say the build is more like a D810 then? As for button placements etc that's just preference, Nikon layout feels much more natural to me which is why I've been hesitant of making the jump. As for AF are you sure this is not just down to being more familiar with the camera as every review I've seen states that the D750 (at the time of release) was the most reliable and accurate AF system?

As for the other things I've never had that happen, except the egg timer when it's been to sleep and you want to view an image.

I do keep being tempted by Canon though as it has some glass which is more suited to the type of shots I take which I believe are better, or simply not available with Nikon.
 
I'll wait for panamoz to get a good price on it then go grey...or buy one next time I'm in the states,
 
I really like the look of that Dual pixel Raw. In reality the price isn't an issue but only because I will never be an early adopter. In fact my plan is now to upgrade to the 5D3 and in three years or so upgrade to this. Put the saving into a 24-70mk2 instead. Just that balancing act now between when to buy a 5D3 as the stock clears and against price :D
 
I think i might be in a minority but I have put in a pre-order...for me its a massive upgrade :), but then I skipped the mk3 all together..and am still on my trusty Mk2. Skipping a generation defiantly helps with the sticker shock :)
 
I swapped from Canon 5D3 x2 to two D750 due to a certain review on here (I'm sure everyone knows which one!). Anyway, after two years of owning the Nikon's, I have come to the conclusion that if I still had the canons, I wouldn't have missed anything. I found the canon focus ability better than the Nikon's. The body build was definitely better on canon's, as was the menu and button layout.

But, I won't be changing back to the 5D4 (or 5D3). Not because I don't like the specs or the hyper release price. I won't be changing because I don't think (just like the initial swap) it will help me take better photos.

As a side note, I recently used a friends canon 1D4 at a wedding reception - I was surprised that the focus acquisition and tracking ability was better than my Nikon's!
 
snerkler said:
Would you say the build is more like a D810 then? As for button placements etc that's just preference, Nikon layout feels much more natural to me which is why I've been hesitant of making the jump. As for AF are you sure this is not just down to being more familiar with the camera as every review I've seen states that the D750 (at the time of release) was the most reliable and accurate AF system?

As for the other things I've never had that happen, except the egg timer when it's been to sleep and you want to view an image.

I do keep being tempted by Canon though as it has some glass which is more suited to the type of shots I take which I believe are better, or simply not available with Nikon.
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I cant really say as ive never held a D810 , but from looking at it, the body does look better built and slighlty bigger than a D750.

Its personal preference isnt it which camera you go with, i remember being up on Derwent Edge a few yrs ago, a bloke id never met saw me, and walked past and said ohhhh hes got a canon! he had a nikon s, i had to smile and laugh.
 
TheDrift- said:
I think i might be in a minority but I have put in a pre-order...for me its a massive upgrade :), but then I skipped the mk3 all together..and am still on my trusty Mk2. Skipping a generation defiantly helps with the sticker shock :)
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Gratz to you Shaun, exciting times and hats off to you, you resisted the 3 :)
 
I've put in a pre order as well, there are some good trade in deals (uk) which I doubt I would get later on for my 5DIII, I guess unless your going grey import, I can't see that top retail price budging for many months while this camera is in demand. Just look at the performance of previous 5D models on camera pricebuster.
 
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odd jim said:
Apart from the price (which will go down) are we really this spoilt we consider this camera a "poor offering"?!
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In a way yes, people have got used to expecting more. The problem with this is does somethings better and somethings worse. The 30.4 megapixel is a strange choice also considering the 5Ds/r which is 50, people with those cameras are not going to want to take a hit on detail. It fails on the video side for many reasons which leaves it in a strange position of who really wants or need it.
 
With all due respect, Jase, you're a heavy Nikon user, perhaps biased in your opinion, plus probably never going to even look at a 5D mk4 with your investment in Nikon.

30mp cmos is a 35% increase on the 22mp mk3. It's a camera thats positioned between the 1D and 5Ds/r models (which are quite specific in their uses).
For video people will use the other offerings, the XF or C range. Video in dslr's is always an additional offering, priced and featured to a market and price point, whilst still being able to use and extensive range of glass on both video and photographic bodies. Something Nikon cannot offer.

Also, I cant see anything thats worse than the 5D mk3
 
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Jase said:
In a way yes, people have got used to expecting more. The problem with this is does somethings better and somethings worse. The 30.4 megapixel is a strange choice also considering the 5Ds/r which is 50, people with those cameras are not going to want to take a hit on detail. It fails on the video side for many reasons which leaves it in a strange position of who really wants or need it.
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For me the 5D series is all about doing things well...not great. if you want great for certain areas then look elsewhere e.g. if you want resolution go to the 5ds/r if you want great FPS then go to the 1dx2, want great video features then look at the cinema line

Its a general purpose camera that will be good a most things you care to throw at it. My trusty 5d2 has stood up to the test of time well, still in great working order, despite being dropped, scratched, drenched covered in mud etc...& for an 8 year old camera it can still hold its own, heck even this years world press photo contest was taken on a 5d2..(2nd and 3rd on 5d3's!)
 
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