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lol hehehehehe beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeehGiven the level of 'dissent' in this thread, it seems we have a significant number of 'black sheep' in out midst
lol hehehehehe beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeehGiven the level of 'dissent' in this thread, it seems we have a significant number of 'black sheep' in out midst
...If it's super-low f/numbers we're wanting, the facts of physics say primes are much better than zooms, but even then there's a limit to how thin DoF can get before it becomes a problem in itself. Anyone who's used the current Canon EF 85mm f/1.2 wide open for portraits will testify to how difficult it is to use, regardless of the camera's AF capability, when DoF is down to a few mms and just breathing moves the plane of sharp focus.
Nope you have to buy some adapter to do that for £120 i heard
edit: Link https://www.canon.co.uk/cameras/eos-r-lenses-accessories/ scroll down but it doesnt have price
Well interestingly it suggests the adapter is to turn the battery grip into a charger? So does that mean you need both?
Yes looks like itWell interestingly it suggests the adapter is to turn the battery grip into a charger? So does that mean you need both?
Back in the film days I mostly had relatively small prints and a lot of the time thin DoF or slight misfocus was hidden to an extent but these days I can pixel peep at 100%+ very easily and I can see if the DoF is very thin and if shooting half to three quarter body portraits at 85mm f1.8 isn't going to be enough to get enough DoF for me if I look closely. I know there are a lot of people who like having next to nothing sharp but a lot of the time I tend to like to get the whole head in the DoF.
I may be wrong but I think that in these days of good very high ISO performance I'm beginning to think that the very widest apertures tend to be more for the pleasure of ownership and very occasional rather than regular use.
I may be wrong but I think that in these days of good very high ISO performance I'm beginning to think that the very widest apertures tend to be more for the pleasure of ownership and very occasional rather than regular use.
Very true. That's exactly what I'm thinking when I look at that gorgeous new 50/1.2, but would I actually make much use of it? Err, no.
I love nice soft and blurry background portraits, but don't like it when eyes are sharp and the nose is not, which is unavoidable at extremely low f/numbers. But there's a way around that.
Another way of getting beautifully blurred backgrounds but with greater depth-of-field is to shoot with a longer lens and move back. It seems to be a little known fact that doubling focal length and shooting distance blurs the background by the equivalent of a two stops lower f/number. In other words, instead of a 50mm f/1.2 at 1m, a 100mm f/2.4 lens at 2m gives the same background blur, but two stops greater depth-of-field One of the reasons why Canon's wonderful 135/2L is known as the portrait bokeh machine.
Easy to see with this excellent background blur and DoF simulator https://dofsimulator.net/en/
....Even if only used very occasionally rather than regularly, such as a fisheye or tilt-shift lens for example, then surely having a latest-state-of-the-art ultra wide aperture lens in your arsenal (assuming you can afford it) can be justified.
As always, doesn't it depend on what subject you are shooting and in what lighting conditions? Indeed high ISO performance has greatly improved and continues to do so but sometimes a photographer prefers the results from selecting a lower ISO value with a wider aperture setting to help capture their desired image. Also, each lens model can bring its own look to the party - Photography can be about so much more than just capturing a perfect reproduction.
Just because a lens isn't required by one photographer, or a group of specialists, it doesn't mean that others can't make good use of it and I don't think it matters how often or not that occurs. Why should it matter?
For example, I have only used my Canon fisheye lens a few times but it has been the perfect lens for some shots I have wanted and consequently been able to enjoy taking.
I would like to add that I am not aiming this at anyone in particular here but am saying generally that photographers can benefit from keeping an open mind to what new technologies have to offer and especially if they are a professional in a commercially competitive arena.
It's very early days and it remains to be seen what I will add to or replace or not in my Canon EOS system but I am very excited by what Canon have recently announced and undoubtedly what their products will have to offer. At the very least I think there are obvious improvements to user controls, their customisation and also ergonomics even before I have personally experienced them hands-on.
No camera gear is ever perfect but that is offset when we embrace new potentials.
....Most wildlife photographers who use telephoto lenses will know that without having to look at simulators.
I very rarely shoot portraits of people but occasionally shoot dragonflies on my Canon 500mm F/4L II + 2x @1,000mm and am very satisfied by DoF on the subject but with soft bokeh. But I really dislike the dead flat featureless backgrounds which look like a studio wall backdrop and which some bird toggers on TP rate so highly.
Nothing wrong with that Rob, but I think you're missing the point. Or at least the point I'm trying to make, which is that you don't need a fancy new lens mount to do all of those things. The Canon R mount and reduced flange-back distance (ditto Nikon Zed) only makes the design of some super-fast sub-f/1.4 lenses with shorter focal lengths a bit easier.
....Have you noticed that I often miss the point LOL
True your point about the lens mount but I think that there may be advantages to Canon's larger lens mount which we haven't seen yet but which were hinted at in that 'white paper' (I mean marketing document! ).
Absolutely agree there - a bit of background/context helps a lot IMHO. I guess if someone has bought a 600/4 at great expense, the temptation to use it wide open is irresistible, especially as it gives the option to use a faster shutter speed and/or lower ISO, but it's often a mistake I think.
The new R-mount is exactly the same 54mm diameter as EF, it's only the reduced flange-back distance that offers any benefits (and some downsides mentioned earlier in the thread).
Is it just me who goes into sniggering schoolboy humour mode whenever the word "flange" is mentioned?
@Riz_GuruAnd some amateurs will buy exotic lenses "because they're there". And possibly never even use them?
Personally I can't imagine ever needing a f1.2 lens or an f2 standard zoom, and I'm a professional (just)........ It looks to me as if Canon (for example) offer these exotic lenses because they can.
Now why would that possibly make us laugh....Slightly off-topic but I have been surprised by how well my Canon 500mm F/4L II performs regarding bokeh when set at any of the wider range of apertures. By "performing well" I mean that there are usually enough hints of the background habitat evident to satisfy my taste. I always shoot Manual-mode.
Being a wildlife photographer, most of my wildlife togger friends I sometimes meet up with shoot on the 600mm F/4L II but they are all very experienced users, more so than I am < I must ask one in particular who is a pro whose work I greatly admire.
....Cheers, Richard!
Is it just me who goes into sniggering schoolboy humour mode whenever the word "flange" is mentioned?
Hopefully this video hasn't been posted earlier in this long thread - Apologies if it has and I missed it.
I have never seen any of this guy's videos before but I find this one very objective and informative....
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvh7J6s_tgM&frags=pl%2Cwn
Surely then it isn't a different mount than EF, all that is different is the face of the mount to sensor distance is less, so only a simple spacer is required to make an existing EF lens work on an R body. Perhaps you could use a macro tube if the depth of the tube was correct. If it is just a simple spacer I can see a Chinese knock-off being available before the camera is even released for sale. How about an EF-S to EF converter, the rear of an EF-S lens protruding into the body shouldn't be a problem as it would probably not go further than the spacer ring anyway.The new R-mount is exactly the same 54mm diameter as EF, it's only the reduced flange-back distance that offers any benefits (and some downsides mentioned earlier in the thread).
Surely then it isn't a different mount than EF, all that is different is the face of the mount to sensor distance is less, so only a simple spacer is required to make an existing EF lens work on an R body. Perhaps you could use a macro tube if the depth of the tube was correct. If it is just a simple spacer I can see a Chinese knock-off being available before the camera is even released for sale. How about an EF-S to EF converter, the rear of an EF-S lens protruding into the body shouldn't be a problem as it would probably not go further than the spacer ring anyway.
I think the camera comes with the EF>EOS R adapter, at least initially, which is £99. The EF>EOS R adapter with control ring is £199, the EF>EOS R adapter with drop in Polariser is £299, and the EF>EOS R adapter with drop in ND filter is £399.No doubt there will be cheap knock-off adapters available but Canon seems to have got that angle pretty well covered by supplying a free adapter with the camera body, and extra adapters (there are three different options available) are priced from £99.
I’ve got a couple of FL lenses. I worked for a Canon dealer when FD changed from twist ring to twist lens...If you've been using Canon for 40 years you'll remember when they went from FD to EF.
Sorry, couldn't resist
His hands appear gigantic.Hopefully this video hasn't been posted earlier in this long thread - Apologies if it has and I missed it.
I have never seen any of this guy's videos before but I find this one very objective and informative....
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvh7J6s_tgM&frags=pl%2Cwn
His hands appear gigantic.
Is he a sasquatch?
It's like the opposite of those Chinese camera adverts with a girl with tiny hands ...
Can't say I noticed, but you did remind me of something. I think the whole hand size thing is over exaggerated. I've seen people post things like "My hands are too big for small cameras" - nonsense! I can understand that people like different ergonomics, I like a chunky grip - which is why I don't like RF style bodies. But your hands are never too big for any camera. I'm sure there's been many a giant handed ogre used Leica film camera through the decades without any hassle.
And many a Leprechaun doing the sameCan't say I noticed, but you did remind me of something. I think the whole hand size thing is over exaggerated. I've seen people post things like "My hands are too big for small cameras" - nonsense! I can understand that people like different ergonomics, I like a chunky grip - which is why I don't like RF style bodies. But your hands are never too big for any camera. I'm sure there's been many a giant handed ogre used Leica film camera through the decades without any hassle.
And many a Leprechaun doing the same
I’m not so sure I agree tbh. I find my fingers foul against the lens with the A7 bodies so this is a prime example of my hands being too big for the body. I tried altering my grip but it didn’t make a difference. Physics are physics at the end of the dayCan't say I noticed, but you did remind me of something. I think the whole hand size thing is over exaggerated. I've seen people post things like "My hands are too big for small cameras" - nonsense! I can understand that people like different ergonomics, I like a chunky grip - which is why I don't like RF style bodies. But your hands are never too big for any camera. I'm sure there's been many a giant handed ogre used Leica film camera through the decades without any hassle.
I’m not so sure I agree tbh. I find my fingers foul against the lens with the A7 bodies so this is a prime example of my hands being too big for the body. I tried altering my grip but it didn’t make a difference. Physics are physics at the end of the day
His hands appear gigantic.
Is he a sasquatch?
It's like the opposite of those Chinese camera adverts with a girl with tiny hands ...
But if there physically wasn't enough room to fit your fingers between the grip and lens how can you "get used to it given time"? Can you shrink your fingers?I like a decent grip, but I can get used to any body given time. Unless you have King Kong hands, what would you have done way back when most cameras were tiny? The Sony cams don't look really comfy to me either, but I know I'd just get used to it. I didn't like the feel of the Xpro1 at all, but I got used to it ...
Canon Almost Made the Best Camera for Vlogging, but Then Screwed It Up
https://fstoppers.com/review/canon-almost-made-best-camera-vlogging-then-screwed-it-288179
I keep on hearing the word 'innovation' in a lot of the videos for these new cameras (not just the Canon). Ring on lens! Been done before, and buttons too. Filter in an adapter! Been done before, etc. The slider is new afaik, I'll give them that. It is good taking a lot of the better ideas from different products to try and make the best product, as long as you don't wander into any intellectual property problems.Hopefully this video hasn't been posted earlier in this long thread - Apologies if it has and I missed it.
I have never seen any of this guy's videos before but I find this one very objective and informative....
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvh7J6s_tgM&frags=pl%2Cwn
I keep on hearing the word 'innovation' in a lot of the videos for these new cameras (not just the Canon)…
Ah, makes sense now. Thank you.There are people out there for whom nothing exists until their brand does it and then it's the first time it's happened in the history of the universe and it's wonderful.
But if there physically wasn't enough room to fit your fingers between the grip and lens how can you "get used to it given time"? Can you shrink your fingers?
I can use tiny cameras (although don't particularly like to do so), and I can comfortably use my OM1, but that doesn't have a grip and therefore I don't have to squeeze my fingers between this and the lens. Don't forget I can use my EM1 very comfortably too, and I've tried the Z7 which was fine. For some reason Sony continue to decide to give a narrower space between grip and lens.