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Well there is a plus for electric cars straight offA Nissan Leaf isn't going to match that of my Mondeo in any way as you can't tow a caravan with one
Well there is a plus for electric cars straight offA Nissan Leaf isn't going to match that of my Mondeo in any way as you can't tow a caravan with one
Exactly, everything seems to be moving towards economy. Which are smaller and smaller engines with bigger and bigger turbo that lags more and more. Plus more and more economical gearing for lower engine RPM when driving, which in turn means always needing to wait for the gearbox.
You can't take a performance turned, expensive engine and talk about it like it is fitted as standard in all cars. Eg. most of the Fiesta sold won't have the special turbo
With an automatic box, where does what engine RPM does the car sit at when driving at constant 30mph on a flat road?Smaller capacity engines won't have a larger turbo if you are after economy.
The Fiesta 1.0 3 cylinder engine has a small low friction turbo. The engine produces it's maximum torque from 1400rpm and remains constant through to around 5000rpm before it starts to drop off.
Conversely, I've had people driving all kind of cars trying to jump the queue at traffic lights by using the turning lane, the little Leaf (a first generation EV) never had problem gaining the car length initial advantage.If a car is driven correctly & is serviced well it won't put out a higher level of carbon as the engine gets older & I basically have no turbo lag on my Mondeo with it's 6 speed auto box. As for torque A Nissan Leaf isn't going to match that of my Mondeo in any way as you can't tow a caravan with one as the batteries would be dead in no time & tbh it would probably struggle like mad on any sort of steep hill. You mention the performance of the Leaf well i've had people try & race me in them & the outcome was they didn't do well
I for one don't have the huge amount of money to buy an electric suv to tow my caravan but even if I did they just can't cover the distances I need, it's just over a 300 mile round trip to go & see the Granddaughter & a nice 900 miles round trip to see the inlaws not something you can really do with an electric car as I would have to spend hours recharging the battery & another interest of mine is car audio again something else you can't do with an electric car as the current draw from an amp or multiple amps would flatten the batteries in no time. Electric cars may seem great to a lot but the batteries aren't cheap to replace & that is going to catch a lot of people out in time as the replacement batteries could easily cost more than the car is worth. I personally will drive a car with a conventional combustion engine for long as it's possibleConversely, I've had people driving all kind of cars trying to jump the queue at traffic lights by using the turning lane, the little Leaf (a first generation EV) never had problem gaining the car length initial advantage.
Obviously you need to drive an EV to understand instant torque feel. I've driven the Leaf on steepest roads in Bristol (where my two diesel dropped down gears and make loud sound), the little Leaf just got on climbing without worry in the world. Controlling its speed perfectly and smoothly like on a normal flat road.
Yes, towing is one thing cheap EV's like Nissan Leaf can't do, due to the increased load put on the battery. But large SUV styled EV's can do this no problem, like the Tesla Model X and Audi E-tron.
No idea what the engine speed would be at 30mph in an automatic. I don't drive an automatic. If I did I would use it as a manual and wouldn't have to wait for the gearbox.With an automatic box, where does what engine RPM does the car sit at when driving at constant 30mph on a flat road?
It's more likely to be below 1400rpm for maximum fuel economy, where the moment you prod the throttle, you'll be waiting for the gearbox.
Conversely, I've had people driving all kind of cars trying to jump the queue at traffic lights by using the turning lane, the little Leaf (a first generation EV) never had problem gaining the car length initial advantage.
took her for a drive in my car, frightened the life out of her.
It's not a Corsa.The way most of those chavwagons are driven, I'm not surprised!
The way most of those chavwagons are driven, I'm not surprised!
on a more serious note the only advantage apart from the greener aspects of owning an EV is cost per mile, i can't think of anything else
Smugness.
on a more serious note the only advantage apart from the greener aspects of owning an EV is cost per mile, i can't think of anything else
I own a Skoda with DSG gearbox and had owned Mercedes slushbox, similar incarnation of which went into SLR supercar. The DSG is okay, but in the above use-case, it would have needed to drop down 2 gears and that is asking for a major disappointment.How old is your Skoda, I did say a modern car.
maybe in a tesla
I work with Leaf and Zoe owners, and at times the smugness of the Leaf owner, make one wish to set about their head with a blunt instrument.
to be honest iv'e been looking into buying an ev car quite seriously over the last 6 months or so to replace the civic.
i was looking at the Zoe because they can be had quite cheap but the battery rental put me off and it's about another 4 grand if you want one with the battery bought outright which then puts you into leaf territory price wise which to me is a better car but in my opinion to use either of those 2 vehicles without getting a bit of range anxiety isn't gonna happen for me
the next car iv'e looked at is the BMW I3 with the range extender which would suite the purpose but it means keeping the civic for another couple of years to save the money so i can afford one about 3/4 years old ( 2017/18 model by the time i can afford one ) and that's what i'm in the middle of doing now,
by 2021 if all goes well i will be in a position to get one or at least have enough money to make a decision if something better suited at the same kind of money turns up
dunno what were going to do about the wife's car in a couple of years we will have to see whats what, we still need a 7 seater vehicle of one description or another
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Zoes are cheap and squeaky. The 40 sized battery ones are easier to find battery owned. You can find them near battery lease prices from dopey sellers if you're lucky
There's a lot of new EVs coming out in 2020. MG are doing one. They offer a 7 year warranty. There's also the new Kia Soul EV with the 64kWh battery.
The i3 Rex has issues with the Rex and you'd need an extended warranty on the car as they can throw big bills. They're quite a small car and the electric only range isn't that great compared to the competition. Even on the latest i3, it's only a 40 odd kWh battery and they've had to drop the Rex.
Zoe warranty is £300 odd a year from when it runs out. 3 years on 2018 cars on and at 4 years from earlier cars.
There's also the Hyundai Ioniq. It has a small battery compared to many other cars but it is very efficient and charges quickly so you make up a lot of time off less efficient cars. They're worth looking at too. It also has a standard 5 year warranty so you get 2 years longer than the BMW and there doesn't seem to be much that goes wrong with them.
There are no affordable people carriers apart from the Nissan ENV thing which has a lot of seats. https://www.nissan.co.uk/vehicles/new-vehicles/e-nv200-combi.html It's less than half the cost of a Tesla.
i was looking at the Zoe because they can be had quite cheap but the battery rental put me off and it's about another 4 grand if you want one with the battery bought outright which then puts you into leaf territory price wise which to me is a better car but in my opinion to use either of those 2 vehicles without getting a bit of range anxiety isn't gonna happen for me
Get yerself a Gt1050 range about 200 odd, it is like driving a Transit thoughI suffer more range anxiety on one of the bikes - it has about 100 miles range from full and when the hungry light comes on, I have about 20 miles left... Got stuck in unfilterable traffic and managed to get 8.7 litres in - the tank capacity is 9.1 litres.
Just one year older than the Leaf, Octavia mk3 pre-bumper change (world's tiniest facelift change), 2.0L diesel with the more reliable wet-clutch DSG. Same combination is still being sold today, albeit with updated exhaust system for regulation. Hopefully that is modern enough for you.How old is your Skoda, I did say a modern car.
Depending on the car, typically recharging mid-journey takes 30min, just enough time to do a quick leg stretch, use facilities and some snack. So you are safe to continue your journey refreshed.I for one don't have the huge amount of money to buy an electric suv to tow my caravan but even if I did they just can't cover the distances I need, it's just over a 300 mile round trip to go & see the Granddaughter & a nice 900 miles round trip to see the inlaws not something you can really do with an electric car as I would have to spend hours recharging the battery & another interest of mine is car audio again something else you can't do with an electric car as the current draw from an amp or multiple amps would flatten the batteries in no time. Electric cars may seem great to a lot but the batteries aren't cheap to replace & that is going to catch a lot of people out in time as the replacement batteries could easily cost more than the car is worth. I personally will drive a car with a conventional combustion engine for long as it's possible
Just one year older than the Leaf, . My 5 year old Leaf.
Sure, driving 900 miles while towing is not a good use-case for current generation of EV's, but you also have to remember you don't do that everyday. End of the day, it's your personal choice, no one can make you buy one type of car or another..
The latest VAG cars still get the same EA288 engine with a slightly tweaked exhaust system. Not much would change in engine characteristics from this engine compared to my '63 reg. Either way, the ICE I currently have is very polluting for local environment so I only drive it on long trips. There is no way the current diesel car you own can magically produce 50% of original tailpipe emission in 10 years time (unless you spend £££ to retrofit emission equipment). Whereas EV has the potential to produce a lot less "long-tailpipe" emission thanks to the grid moving to more and more cheap renewable energy.So, quite an old car by modern standards (the Skoda). Despite diesel being vilified some manufacturers are still advancing the design, you may be surprised at how refined and responsive newer diesels are, but your second sentence above is probably the best post you have put up to date
There is a lot more to it than just a tweaked exhaust system. If it was that easy, why were so many cars removed from sale because they didn't meet WLTP emissions? Why were some cars derated on power as a result?The latest VAG cars still get the same EA288 engine with a slightly tweaked exhaust system. Not much would change in engine characteristics from this engine compared to my '63 reg.
With an automatic box, where does what engine RPM does the car sit at when driving at constant 30mph on a flat road?
It's more likely to be below 1400rpm for maximum fuel economy, where the moment you prod the throttle, you'll be waiting for the gearbox.
This is one area that is as clear as mud. I have no clear, well referenced answer to this.One thing that has to be taken into consideration is the environmental impact of the mining of the materials to make EV batteries
It’s the reason why I wouldn’t buy one
But the statement was that newer engines get more "refined" and more "responsive". Does the changes to meet stricter emission requirements make older (possibly de-rated) engine run more refined and produce sharper throttle response?There is a lot more to it than just a tweaked exhaust system. If it was that easy, why were so many cars removed from sale because they didn't meet WLTP emissions? Why were some cars derated on power as a result?
Tesla and Panasonic freeze planned expansion of gigafactory due to concerns over falling demand.
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&s...HEAQ&usg=AOvVaw186PGoRCfpTEvQMR3H7Kbx&cf=1
https://electrek.co/2019/04/11/tesla-panasonic-suspend-investments-gigafactory-expansion-report/Nikkei is generally a respected publication and they do seem to often have good sources, especially in the Asian business world and specifically in Japan, where Panasonic is based.
But in this case, they don’t even cite sources and state everything as a matter of fact.
Normally, when you are introducing new information, you cite sources even if those sources are anonymous. They didn’t do that here for some unknown reason.
Also, the report states that Panasonic is suspending a planned investment in Gigafactory 3 in Shanghai, but we didn’t even know that they planned to invest in Gigafactory 3.
Tesla has yet to announce any partner for Gigafactory 3 and they indicated that they would first focus on vehicle production and they will source cells from outside manufacturers at first.
But the statement was that newer engines get more "refined" and more "responsive". Does the changes to meet stricter emission requirements make older (possibly de-rated) engine run more refined and produce sharper throttle response?
https://electrek.co/2019/04/11/tesla-panasonic-suspend-investments-gigafactory-expansion-report/
It's all speculations and shorting the stock to make short term profits. Unless a real change is seen on their quarterly report, no one outside of the company knows for sure what is happening.
Eco friendly and safer EV batteries on the way?
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&s...QQx7wDCBowAQ&usg=AOvVaw2BYgipsqLcGqaBIDoCLkkq
"Hold on tight, EV is coming. Let's all buy our highly profitable, expensive to run and polluting cars in the meantime, because we didn't invest in EV early enough to produce in volume yet."Eco friendly and safer EV batteries on the way?
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&s...QQx7wDCBowAQ&usg=AOvVaw2BYgipsqLcGqaBIDoCLkkq
What has any of that got to do with better and enviromentally friendly batteries than most Ev's are currently using?"Hold on tight, EV is coming. Let's all buy our highly profitable, expensive to run and polluting cars in the meantime, because we didn't invest in EV early enough to produce in volume yet."
Don't forget the EV owners who also ignore the ev charging only signs and think they have reserved parking.It's a slightly vicious circle. Councils and power companies use the lack of demand as an excuse not to provide charge points and the lack of charge points cuts the 40-60% of cars without off street parking out of the EV market, reducing the demand. Lob in the ICE car drivers who ignore the EV charging only signs where chargers DO exist and the problem intensifies.
How many Ford EV has been sold up until now in UK?What has any of that got to do with better and enviromentally friendly batteries than most Ev's are currently using?
I notice you are still harping on about car manufacturers not investing in EV early enough, ignoring the fact that they actually have been investing in it. It is just that the market hasn't really existed until now due to the inadequacies in range.
It's only in the last few months that ev used prices have started to stabilise and hold. Prior to that non prestige models have been among the worst depreciating cars.How many Ford EV has been sold up until now in UK?
You are still harping on about the market doesn't exist, yet the strong demand have propped up used short-range EV prices, they are simply not dropping! Go on Autotrader, find affordable older second hand EV, what choices are there?
As a mass market car company, it's only okay to say "we've been investing in EV" if you have products that are available to buy. You can't say "we've been investing 2 billion in new clean technology" when you have invested over ten times more on polluting tech, and all you've got to show for it is a very limited production to get the carbon regulators off your back.
It's like a wood chopper chopping down trees, when being asked about deforestation, the wood chopper only plants 3 trees to be used as reference whenever anyone asks about deforestation.
Don't forget the EV owners who also ignore the ev charging only signs and think they have reserved parking.