Digital Medium Format Thread

Mr Perceptive said:
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Its always a difficult decsision when chnaging systems or buying into a new one, more so when the £££ numbers start to get big!

At the moment, Fujifilm don't have a full range of zooms, the wide angle one GF 20-35 is on the roadmap for 2022, but no other zooms are due in 2022 or 2023 (or course this could change)

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I like primes (and prefer them to zooms), so for me in my preferred focal length range there is native glass.

In your shoes unless you absolutely need 100MP then I would stay put with the Pentax System, you've invested heavily in it - you can then revisit when the GF20-35mm becomes available.
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20-35 - still leaves the 35-45 gap uncovered. Fuji aren't really with it with develop zooms with FL overlap. You could do 20-35, 35-70 - then you are dead between 70 to 100 before the 100-200.

Mental. The idea of a trinity of zooms is you don't have FL ranges uncovered but maybe a little overlap. Not big gaps.
 
SFTPhotography said:
20-35 - still leaves the 35-45 gap uncovered. Fuji aren't really with it with develop zooms with FL overlap. You could do 20-35, 35-70 - then you are dead between 70 to 100 before the 100-200.

Mental. The idea of a trinity of zooms is you don't have FL ranges uncovered but maybe a little overlap. Not big gaps.
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Fuji are offering a WA zoom, which Pentax don't have (28mm being the wide point) - I do agree that the trinity is not there with Fuji
 
Mr Perceptive said:
Fuji are offering a WA zoom, which Pentax don't have (28mm being the wide point) - I do agree that the trinity is not there with Fuji
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You see - I'd argue the Pentax 28-45 is a WA zoom - giving a 35mm FL equivalent of 22mm to 35mm. It wasn't so long ago that 21mm was deemed UWA on 35mm.

I'd say now 28-45mm is WA - but not ultra wide angle. Fuji have the 23mm prime which is UWA and really rather nice. I find the 28mm pretty much wide enough. TBH 3mm wider wouldn't hurt though but 25mm on 44x33 format is pretty damned wide.

But I'd prefer to see a 25-45 WA from Fuji then maybe a very specialised 15-25 UWA as well. - or better still one wide zoom from 20-45 - giving a 15-35mm 35mm equivalent. The thing is if they make a 20-35 - they are missing a key 35-45mm gap if you want the 45-100 which by all accounts looks amazing, and a lot of landscapers like a short tele - so the 100-200 just about works there.

Maybe the volume isn't there to develop these lenses but a range of zooms that cover a big field of view is important - especially as the bulk of sales will be people upgrading from smaller 35mm format.

Me - if I worked at Fuji product design and knowing who buys these - I'd pitch a 20-45 zoom, 45-100 and 100-250 trinity of zooms then all the primes. There's two zooms 32-64 and 35-70 which overlap too much. I'd can them.
 
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@SFTPhotography Don't disagree that the Fuji linup seems a bit muddled, from the various GFX groups, most professional shooters seem to be in fashion, model, wedding type markets with landscapers a minority. That is changing though as more are switching from DSLR to GFX. Time may see some rationalisation, but with only a couple of lenses being released a year, this may take a few years.
 
Mr Perceptive said:
@SFTPhotography Don't disagree that the Fuji linup seems a bit muddled, from the various GFX groups, most professional shooters seem to be in fashion, model, wedding type markets with landscapers a minority. That is changing though as more are switching from DSLR to GFX. Time may see some rationalisation, but with only a couple of lenses being released a year, this may take a few years.
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Time will tell - Pentax MF has a more organised FL overlap in the zooms - but the longer the zooms - the softer they get - and they're also not weather sealed. Now that's ok - they're cheaper and I have a separate 35mm telephoto solution. People on the digital upgrade path from Canikon/Sony even Fuji APSC digital won't stand for that - and will want weather sealed silent AF rapid zooms.

Long term - if Pentax die - a load of us will move over to Fuji. I can see it happening on the Pentax forum already. Particularly "digital" shooters who don't have a lot of legacy glass.

The fashion/model/portrait sorts seem laughing with the very good primes but a lot of well heeled landscapers will love the resolution, 4:3, and general look - it's there with the 50mp (not experienced with the 100 to say if its there with that)

Long term - I can see me in Fuji but probably in 5yrs time when the lens line up and mirrorless tech is a little more advanced.
 
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Not that I am in the market for one of these and having had some dreadful customer service from Fixation/Wex I'd probably myself seek to buy elsewhere- but that's a stonking price to get into digital medium format.
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It is a bargain, especially if you want to try out Fuji's MF and the money saved over the 50s II can be put towards some nice glass.

I also was put off by WEX as they took over Calumet who ran the worst customer service (from their old store near Euston station) I've ever experienced and the worst courier service imaginable. I ended up buying for a 50s II as I prefer its ergonomics (except for the directional joystick) over the 50r, but ordered it direct from Fuji along with the 23mm f/4.

In Fixation's defence, I was in their Vauxhall store last week and the staff were very helpful.
 
Acquired a couple more Canon FD lenses this week (with a Canon A1 :) ), had to try them on the GFX with my willing model. Both images show full GFX sensor coverage.

28mm FD F2.8 at F2.8 focussed on beak - surprising good for a FF wide(ish) angle lens, expected fall off towards the corners, no hard vignette

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135mm F2.8 at F2.8

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First memory card failure yesterday, formatted a pair of cards, shot with them in camera (for about 2 hours), then went to review an image only to find it said "Card Read Error" - a number of images had been saved but not the last few .Fortunately I shoot RAW+JPG to both cards (backup mode), switched review to Card Slot 2 and all images were there. I then immediately swapped the two cards out for two more in my bag. Never had an issue like this before, I've just reviewd the card on my PC and there are two files with the same name DSCF2042 (both in RAW and JPG), so obviously some kind of card corruption
 
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Mr Perceptive said:
First memory card failure yesterday, formatted a pair of cards, shot with them in camera (for about 2 hours), then went to review an image only to find it said "Card Read Error" - a number of images had been saved but not the last few .Fortunately I shoot RAW+JPG to both cards (backup mode), switched review to Card Slot 2 and all images were there. I then immediately swapped the two cards out for two more in my bag. Never had an issue like this before, I've just reviewd the card on my PC and there are two files with the same name DSCF2042 (both in RAW and JPG), so obviously some kind of card corruption
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Good thing you discovered it before getting home. Were you able to reshoot the missing pictures ?
 
wibbly said:
Love these Adrain. As a matter of interest how do you compare the GFX to the Z7. A conundrum I’m flirting with at present, twist from my Z6 to a 7ii or a GFX & a couple of lenses.
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Hi Dave, it is a very close tie in my opinion. I much prefer the handling of the Nikon Z7 as the Fuji feels like an over sized toy at times. I got taken in by the medium format buzz truth be told and once i had it in my hands and looked at the files i didn't think wow at any point and that this would be the format i would shoot forever. There is no doubt the files are great but certainly not the quality i thought they were going to be in my own head. I probably had a bit of buyers remorse as well and have now sold on the camera and gone back to my trusty Z7.
 
todders said:
Hi Dave, it is a very close tie in my opinion. I much prefer the handling of the Nikon Z7 as the Fuji feels like an over sized toy at times. I got taken in by the medium format buzz truth be told and once i had it in my hands and looked at the files i didn't think wow at any point and that this would be the format i would shoot forever. There is no doubt the files are great but certainly not the quality i thought they were going to be in my own head. I probably had a bit of buyers remorse as well and have now sold on the camera and gone back to my trusty Z7.
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Thanks Adrain, appreciate the honest review. I’m still leaning more toward the Z7ii in truth but the images you popped up certainly piqued my interest. (y)
 
todders said:
Hi Dave, it is a very close tie in my opinion. I much prefer the handling of the Nikon Z7 as the Fuji feels like an over sized toy at times. I got taken in by the medium format buzz truth be told and once i had it in my hands and looked at the files i didn't think wow at any point and that this would be the format i would shoot forever. There is no doubt the files are great but certainly not the quality i thought they were going to be in my own head. I probably had a bit of buyers remorse as well and have now sold on the camera and gone back to my trusty Z7.
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The Z7/D850 really do produce stunning files it has to be said. At base ISO there is nothing really in it between the 645z and D850 and this is where I shoot the bulk. At ISO200-400 the 645z is clean as anything, the D850 is a bit of a mess. If you can keep D850/Z7 at ISO64 to 100 they are as clean as a medium format.

The big upgrade for me was the 28-45 zoom on the 645z, it's really remarkable. Compared to a 20mm F1.8 and 24-70 on the D850 you can see it if you pixel peep.
 
todders said:
Hi Dave, it is a very close tie in my opinion. I much prefer the handling of the Nikon Z7 as the Fuji feels like an over sized toy at times. I got taken in by the medium format buzz truth be told and once i had it in my hands and looked at the files i didn't think wow at any point and that this would be the format i would shoot forever. There is no doubt the files are great but certainly not the quality i thought they were going to be in my own head. I probably had a bit of buyers remorse as well and have now sold on the camera and gone back to my trusty Z7.
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Buyers remorse, a new experience for you Adrian ;), I was just about to message you saying I bet you have at last found the camera for you ,must say I loved the images you produced with it but sure the Z7 in your hands will produce similarly lovely images.
 
SsSsSsSsSnake said:
Buyers remorse, a new experience for you Adrian ;), I was just about to message you saying I bet you have at last found the camera for you ,must say I loved the images you produced with it but sure the Z7 in your hands will produce similarly lovely images.
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Hi Chris good to hear from you again, yes it is not like the first time is it. I think i will be afflicted forever at this rate. i am now semi-retired so i will have to reign in my spending from now on and stick to just one system :) (I cant believe i said that either)
 
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