Do you feel comfortable commenting on others images?

I feel that anyone can give crit, if you can give technical adivce too, that is even better! Having said that crit should include what you like as well as what you don't like.

All the "Nice pics" and "I like pic x best" is great for making someone feel good about their shots, but unless they are truely prefect shots they will not have learnt anything from the crit. A good crit will give the OP ideas on how to improve their photo...

(Please feel free to crit my English, as I'm pretty sure that won't make much sense)
 
fletch5 said:
Another thing under your username telling people what level of crit they want is probably the best option if it can be implemented.
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That's a great idea :clap:

It could be something as simple as an icon that says "Crit" or "No Crit". I think if you break it down to too many levels it becomes not only more difficult for the mods to administer and implement but also fo rthose leaving the critique.

How would you know, for example, where the line between moderate critique and full critique lie exactly?

I think it needs to be a Yes/No type of arrangement personally.
 
fletch5 said:
Another thing under your username telling people what level of crit they want is probably the best option if it can be implemented.
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I like this idea. We have our image editing preferences shown to others, why not let others know that we need to be treated gently or even prefer it as rough as it comes? :naughty:
 
EdinburghGary said:
Who knows what to think:
http://www.talkphotography.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=99723
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You know what this just about says it all to me.

I have been watching stuff like this happen for a while and have opted not to comment. But I think I will have my 2pth now!

There are certain occasions when people post pics and then before or after crit say 'no crit necessary', and then get offended when crit is offered.

Sorry but that's not the way it works IMO. If you post your are looking for crit to improve. If you just want to share your crappy snaps with no crit then put them on Flickr. :shrug:

I get a little fed up that some of my pics don't get much C&C at all. Why? How can I improve if I don't get any feedback? I can't help feeling that the reason is some people are worried to offer C&C in case the poster gets offended. I know I am at the moment.

I think we should make it clearer that posting images can and will be subject to positive / negative comments and that the poster should be prepared to take comments on the chin.

Maybe another option is to put an area on the forum where people can post but prefer no C&C.

Sorry if this is a bit harsh. It just feels things have changed a bit in the last year I've been here - maybe slightly for the worse :shrug:
 
I don't see why we shouldn't comment on others photo's if you feel the need to or ask questions. It's a lot better/helpful on here than other forums that just seem to criticise incessantly.

However it's all subjective. I sure the people who enter the over HDR'd shots in POTY think they're great, but they do nothing for me. Same as a recent "What shot would you like to have taken" thread. It almost ended up in a discussion about the Ansel Adams shot of the staircase and cyclists. Some thought it was a great shot, others (me included) didn't see the attraction.

But some criticism is good. I know now I hold the camera off straight just slightly and need to check my horizons. My techniques have improved immensely this year, both in photo taking and post production tweaks, nearly all due to this forum.

So I'm all for it.
 
I thought this forum was about photography not posting holiday snaps for limp wristed comments. If it is about constructive criticism the format and rules don't need to change, just some people need to reel their neck's in and some need to grow some balearics :D
 
:agree:

100% right. There is no reason for someone to post if their not looking for people to tell them what is good/bad. I dont feel like i need to point out too many flaws in peoples work, but if i like the picture or i have an opinion within any aspect of the shot i will post so :razz::D
 
The bottom line is if they didn't want the crit, then ignore it. Not throw a hissy and storm off with your ball!

Now, back to commenting on other people's work.....
 
Simmotino said:
That's a great idea :clap:

It could be something as simple as an icon that says "Crit" or "No Crit". I think if you break it down to too many levels it becomes not only more difficult for the mods to administer and implement but also fo rthose leaving the critique.

How would you know, for example, where the line between moderate critique and full critique lie exactly?

I think it needs to be a Yes/No type of arrangement personally.
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I don't think a scale of critique is workable for exactly the reasons you mention. I was also a member on another forum which had exactly that sort of system in place and it just didn't work. Everyone thinks they can take a full critique until it happens.

A critique or no critique button might be a realistic option as there's no ambiguity, would depend on the forum software I'd have thought though.
 
i posted some pictures on another forum that i took at a skate park, and some guy that to be fair had some lovely skating shots under his belt, ATE me alive with critique... it made me feel real bad but i thanked him for his comments, i tried again and he was right, my shots improved lots. Although i dont agree with the degree of harshness he bestowed upon me it did help :D
 
I'm arrogant enough to think my opinion is as valid as the next person's. I tend to only offer opinions on subjects and photo types that I have some experience in taking myself - so I tend not to comment on macros, landscapes, studio work and so on.

I assume that my posting an image to a forum called Talk Photography that the poster is expecting people to talk about their photography.
 
dod said:
A critique or no critique button might be a realistic option as there's no ambiguity, would depend on the forum software I'd have thought though.
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In this case, it would be along the same lines as the edit or no edit option we already have.

If the people giving feedback aren't sure what's being asked for then they could always open with,

What level of C&C are you seeking?
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DOD. Why have you still got History round 10 POTY in your sig? We're up to round 12 now :D
 
Freester said:
Sorry but that's not the way it works IMO. If you post your are looking for crit to improve. If you just want to share your crappy snaps with no crit then put them on Flickr. :shrug:

I get a little fed up that some of my pics don't get much C&C at all.
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:clap: :thumbs:
 
walls said:
I thought this forum was about photography not posting holiday snaps for limp wristed comments. If it is about constructive criticism the format and rules don't need to change, just some people need to reel their neck's in and some need to grow some balearics :D
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Why can't it be for both?
I like my shots to be critiqued but I also like it when people just say they like the shot (I am, after all, only nearly-human). Crit is how we improve, but nice shot, I really like that etc. helps us to feel good about ourselves and our hobby and thats not a bad thing, is it?
I posted a panorama a couple of weeks ago which gained very little attention so I reposted it in 'In-depth Critique' where numerous people posted very helpful advice. I took their advice, edited and re-posted and got some much better/big improvement comments. Satisfied customer.
I think the idea of a crit/no crit thingy under your name/avatar is a good idea, but it remains to be seen if its practical.

Andy
 
Byker28i said:
DOD. Why have you still got History round 10 POTY in your sig? We're up to round 12 now :D
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:$:$

Been really busy this last couple of months, to the extent of hardly having time to be on here. :(

I'll go fix it :thumbs:
 
Sometimes you're going to want crit, sometimes not though so it's probably best just to have an assumed 'I'm happy with criticism' unless you state otherwise in the opening post.
 
Freester said:
You know what this just about says it all to me.

I have been watching stuff like this happen for a while and have opted not to comment. But I think I will have my 2pth now!

There are certain occasions when people post pics and then before or after crit say 'no crit necessary', and then get offended when crit is offered.

Sorry but that's not the way it works IMO. If you post your are looking for crit to improve. If you just want to share your crappy snaps with no crit then put them on Flickr. :shrug:

I get a little fed up that some of my pics don't get much C&C at all. Why? How can I improve if I don't get any feedback? I can't help feeling that the reason is some people are worried to offer C&C in case the poster gets offended. I know I am at the moment.

I think we should make it clearer that posting images can and will be subject to positive / negative comments and that the poster should be prepared to take comments on the chin.

Maybe another option is to put an area on the forum where people can post but prefer no C&C.

Sorry if this is a bit harsh. It just feels things have changed a bit in the last year I've been here - maybe slightly for the worse :shrug:
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Yep, a little harsh in places but I agree
 
who decides a 'Snap' is not a 'Shot' :thinking:

More work for Marcel the and the rest of the bloodthirsty Mods. :bat:
 
I thought that was the purpose of 'General Photo Sharing'

The description for that forum is:

A forum to post and share your photographs for general thoughts and comments. If it doesn't fit into any other category, then it fits right in here
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To me this is for sharing with no need for critique, and is just the place for sharing 'snaps' (as it has been put)

Photography is not all light / shadow / contrast / HDR / Colour / B&W etc and sometimes a photograph (snap) serves just to share something out of the ordinary, as is the case on the other thread mentioned (i've not check to see which forum it was originally posted in), or something amusing that the OP wants to share.

Chris
 
Andysnap said:
Why can't it be for both?

Andy
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Of course it can be for both, as long as it's realised it's a photography forum so your pictures will be looked at more critically than if you showed them to your mum or dad.

It's clear from this thread and other recent threads, some people seem to have more of a problem with individual members rather than the critique they give. Perhaps this is where a lot of this recent angst is coming from.
 
Chillimonster said:
I thought that was the purpose of 'General Photo Sharing'

The description for that forum is:



To me this is for sharing with no need for critique, and is just the place for sharing 'snaps' (as it has been put)


Chris
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for general thoughts and comments
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So what does this mean then?
 
Chillimonster said:
I thought that was the purpose of 'General Photo Sharing'

To me this is for sharing with no need for critique, and is just the place for sharing 'snaps' (as it has been put)

Photography is not all light / shadow / contrast / HDR / Colour / B&W etc and sometimes a photograph (snap) serves just to share something out of the ordinary, as is the case on the other thread mentioned (i've not check to see which forum it was originally posted in), or something amusing that the OP wants to share.

Chris
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I said the same thing ages ago, and was shot down for it :(

For the record, I had no idea about the sawman/farm thread until Gary posted it, that was not the reason I started this thread :D
 
PsiFox said:
So what does this mean then?
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a thought / comment is different from critique in my opinion.

Critique is about light / post-processing / composition etc, thoughts and comments are more about the 'content' of the picture.

:shrug:
 
Betty said:
I said the same thing ages ago, and was shot down for it :(

For the record, I had no idea about the sawman/farm thread until Gary posted it, that was not the reason I started this thread :D
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You and me against the world Betty :D :bat: :lol:
 
Chillimonster said:
a thought / comment is different from critique in my opinion.

Critique is about light / post-processing / composition etc, thoughts and comments are more about the 'content' of the picture.

:shrug:
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Problem is that we all have our own interpretation of what the photo sharing forums are for. Just look at how they're used differently by different people. Some expecting C&C, others don't.

I'm not singling you out, Chillimonster, just using your post to demonstrate my point that we may each have a different take on the purpose of the forums.

Personally, unless the OP is clear about what feedback they're expecting then my 'thoughts' and 'comments' are likely to be how the images work for me or how I think they could be improved.
 
Chillimonster said:
a thought / comment is different from critique in my opinion.

Critique is about light / post-processing / composition etc, thoughts and comments are more about the 'content' of the picture.

:shrug:
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One of the definitions of "critique"

(I made the text bold)
a criticism or critical comment on some problem, subject, etc.

To me I don't see how you can separate the "content" from the rest, it all
comes together to make the photo:)
 
Chillimonster said:
I thought that was the purpose of 'General Photo Sharing'

The description for that forum is:

A forum to post and share your photographs for general thoughts and comments. If it doesn't fit into any other category, then it fits right in here
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To me this is for sharing with no need for critique, and is just the place for sharing 'snaps' (as it has been put)
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I disagree - comments = C&C in my book.

I don't want to get into a discussion as to who is right or wrong here. What this does prove that as long as there is this potential for misinterpretation people could get offended. I think we need clarification whether C&C in General Photo Sharing is OK or not so we don't have any more misunderstandings :thumbs:
 
PsiFox said:
One of the definitions of "critique"

(I made the text bold)
a criticism or critical comment on some problem, subject, etc.

To me I don't see how you can separate the "content" from the rest, it all
comes together to make the photo:)
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But if you take the sentance as it should be then it reads

a criticism or critical comment

so singling the word "comment" out takes it out of the context it ws originally in.
 
Perhaps we must agree to disagree or see who can throw their toys furthest;):p
 
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