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Edit: Don't want to start an argument ladies!
and your point is?
I think young people are demonized by the tabloid press, and in particular by the Daily Mail.
Yes, there are problems in society and much of it revolves around the seeming lack of respect that younger generations give to "society", but some of the posts in this thread are ridiculous and smack of the rhetoric the tabloid press uses when describing young people.
Now, since I'm 21 and male, I'll have to go off and knife someone, crash my car into an old lady's dog, spread some STIs, and film all of these episodes in order to upload them on youtube for the LULZ.
Its not all teenagers at fault, not even a large percentage of them, but what is missing here is the fact that those that are a problem are utterly out of control and their behaviour is basically feral. The police wont or cant act, the parents dont give a rats ~~~~ and the little perishers know they can get away with it.
Soooo true.All of you guys who are saying "I would have smacked him had he said anything to me"
Get real, no you wouldn't.
Chris,
completely off topic, but I love the way you speak, reminds me of my family in Ayr!
So I read the first 2 pages and gave up.
All of you guys who are saying "I would have smacked him had he said anything to me"
Get real, no you wouldn't.
And if you would, what would it achieve? A fine and possible prison sentence? An asbo? GBH?
The chav would be back on the street within a few days with 10 hours community service and a certificate for ADHD.
One of my girlfriend's mates has taken a disliking to me and is constantly asking my girlfriend for sexual favours. Not cool. At a recent party, when I was leaking the lizard in the loos, he saw me in there, shouted to his mate in one of the cubicles, "Hey that Sophie girl is a slut!", and proceeded to 'accidentally' throw a pint at me.
I finished up, washed my hands, followed him out of the toilet, told my girlfriend what he had said, waited until he was sober the next day, had a word, spoke to my girlfriend, put the guy in his place, and reassured my girlfriend that it was all cool in the school.
My point is, you can say anything to anyone if you word it correctly, and fighting fire with fire, unfortunately in the case of the godawful youths walking the street, isn't the way to sort these kids out. People out for a fight have been around since the dawn of time.
They now just hang around in town centres wearing full Nike Air tracksuits instead of hanging around cave entrances wearing mammoth skin coats.
Oh, and by the way, I'm 18, male, and have never been in a fight in my life. If someone hit me, I am sure I wouldn't hesitate to defend myself, but I would far rather go home without a knife wound than shut the mouthy chav up by shouting back.
Chris,
completely off topic, but I love the way you speak, reminds me of my family in Ayr!
Yes, that is clear enough for me (I note you removed that sentence for some reason?)
I think you are right to some degree, and yes, a lot of comments here are a bit silly.
But it cuts both ways - whilst there are some over-generalisations about youngsters there are also a lot of people so busy saying not everyone is like that that they fail to accept that actually there are a lot of people like that. They are so busy offering fluffy-bunny, hug-a-hoody solutions (actually quite often they don't offer any solution & just slag off the 'Daily Mail' readers) that they miss the point that these often simply don't work. And they think they are the ones being criticised.
For the avoidance of doubt, the problem is with anti-social youths who think they have the right to behave however the hell they choose and their right to fun or whatever else they call it trumps everyone else's right to a peaceful, violence, crime & antisiocial-free life.
If that doesn't describe you, then I for one am not talking about you!
(And I haven't got the faintest idea what LULZ means)
Whilst there are some over-generalisations about youngsters there are also a lot of people so busy saying not everyone is like that that they fail to accept that actually there are a lot of people like that. They are so busy offering fluffy-bunny, hug-a-hoody solutions (actually quite often they don't offer any solution & just slag off the 'Daily Mail' readers) that they miss the point that these often simply don't work. And they think they are the ones being criticised.
For the avoidance of doubt, the problem is with anti-social youths who think they have the right to behave however the hell they choose and their right to fun or whatever else they call it trumps everyone else's right to a peaceful, violence, crime & antisiocial-free life.
If that doesn't describe you, then I for one am not talking about you!
(And I haven't got the faintest idea what LULZ means)
Lets be honest, many of these little beauties are copying their parents. Until the courts stop pussyfooting around with them and back up the police, and start to hand down real sentences, its not going to get any better.
Damn, I fell off my soapbox.
Btw, LULZ is just an example of American fear of young people. If you want a bit of a laugh, watch the following vid:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=DNO6G4ApJQY
By all means deal with offenders and antisocial nitwits, whatever their age, infact lets start with those that kill most innocent people and do most damage to the environment...go figure, it's not rocket science. Ive worked as an outdoor education instructor and run my own business teaching activities in schools and in my experience children are mostly a result of influence and who has most influence, who's got most life experience, who's in the best position to choose what the next generation learn?
Is there any personal responsibility in your world or is everything the government's fault?
foodpoison - I don't do hard feelings, I do like a good debate, however.
I do disagree with you about it being a problem caused by the media though. To a certain extent there is a 'fear of crime/anti social behaviour' thing as opposed to the reality of it, but I can't believe this is all in the mind of a few media moguls.
I've lived in the same house for over 20 years & I know that I get woken up by 'yobs' in the street more in the last 5 years than I did in the first 5 years. I've personally gone out into the street to chase off yobs beating up a neighbour's son when he was kicked unconscious (followed & caught them in a different street & handed over to police), have stopped teenagers damaging a wall with a hammer, stopped yobs ****ing up against a neighbours fence twice, caught 2 lads walking off with pot plants taken from the town centre, had trainer prints over the roof of my car only a few weeks ago, assisted neighbours in dealing with youths throwing milk over all the parked cars at 8 in the morning. Had my wing mirror broken, aerial snapped off & before Christmas my rear window wiper was snapped off. I get woken regularly by them coming back from the town centre using our street as a short cut. We've had so much anti social problems that the council have installed a CCTV camera in one of the alleyways through our street.
One of the alleyways is regularly used by drug-using teenagers. The old couple across the road have had to replace their fence 3 times in the last 18 months due to it being randomly kicked in & grafitti on their fence & the council walls is a monthly problem.
All these incidents, (bar the assault) were in the last 2 years.
We live in a cul-de-sac, When I moved in the only things that happened were the occasional bit of damage to cars or the odd theft from them.
That's not media hype that's how one street has developed over 20 years, and we live in a smallish town, not a city centre.
If your town or street has not got worse in the last 20 years then that is fantastic news for you, I'm really pleased that it's not everywhere, but I honestly believe, through experience, that this is not the general case.
Take knife crime in London for example. Though there has been a lot of high profile coverage recently, but the fact is that knife crime is lower than it has been for many years. You are no more likely to get knifed now than you were five years ago.
Lies, damn lies and statistics. Figures released by the government show there isn't an increase but that's because they omit certain numbers from reports to make them look better
Wait, what? Please tell me you don't think more convictions of parents is going to help young people get out of trouble?
Holden C
As I said, there have always been incidents you described from the 70s.
The important question however, is do you think it is worse today, better, or the same?
It's very easy to pick individual events from both today & the 70s. I could recount a story of a gang rape in 1980 & another yesterday where a teenager stroked a dog & walked a granny across the road. They are completely meaningless unless taken into account with the overall picture of society at that time.
So, better, worse or the same now compared to 1970, straight answer.
We all know this boils down to single parent families without a strong male influence of course
So unless we can live up to a particular set of standards which you have set for society in your own mind, then we cannot make criticism, blame or judge, is that what you are saying?
I don't suppose there is a anyone who can say they have done absolutely everything right for their children. But I also suspect there are an awful lot who have done their best & the outcome will be people who will be net 'givers' to society rather than net 'takers' if I can use that term.
And there will be many who don't give a flying **** how they bring up their children, and who probably leave most of it to everyone else, as well as those who, through no choice of their own don't possess the skills to raise a child.
I hope that when I have wound up my kids & pointed them in the right direction that they will go on to be net givers and will do no harm, I do feel a little agreived though that because I'm not perfect I shouldn't be able to criticise those who don't come up to my own standards, even though there may be those who have even higher ones, after all, surely that's what you are doing, we just might have different standards?
And I do see the point of role models be they parents, schools, footballers or governments. But I think that most people do actually know right from wrong, they just choose to do their own thing.
as a matter of interest, what is a chav?
i've never actually been able to work that one out
Chav, I beleive is a Romany term for child Chavvie