So you don't know then?always about the mpg...........sigh
So you don't know then?
no i don't but buying a hybrid should be about committing to other things.
making a conscious decision to improving your local environment.
investing in companies that promote better technology
not putting money into dinosaur car companies.
no i don't but buying a hybrid should be about committing to other things.
making a conscious decision to improving your local environment.
investing in companies that promote better technology
not putting money into dinosaur car companies.
So that is why the OP also asked about user benefits and green benefits.no i don't but buying a hybrid should be about committing to other things.
making a conscious decision to improving your local environment.
investing in companies that promote better technology
not putting money into dinosaur car companies.
no i don't but buying a hybrid should be about committing to other things.
making a conscious decision to improving your local environment.
investing in companies that promote better technology
not putting money into dinosaur car companies.
Environmentally friendly is expensive. Everyday Electric cars are £10k dearer than the petrol equivalent. I dont have £10k to be environmentally friendly alone so once i have found a car I like the look of, is comfortable to drive ,meets my size requirements and has a reasonable reputation for quality then i want to know what it costs to run. An EV will not recover the £10k additional outlay for me for 8 years so yes MPG is a major factor. And yes whats the point of having a hybrid that returns similar MPG to a non-hybrid car but costs a lot more
What are the environmental benefits? They will only run 2 to 30 miles on battery only.
They get noxious emissions (well, as many as possible - tyre particles and a little brake dust will still escape) out of town centres. 2 miles is enough for many towns and 30 is enough for most cities.
But you're burning fossil fuel, (revving far higher than your speed) to charge those (relatively) small batteries. In most hybrids theres no other way of charging the battery than running the engine.
I've had va hybrid for a little over a year. I can't say that the engine needs to rev higher than for the speed, I just drive it normally and the battery charges.
As for the mpg, I was getting up to 80mpg during the warm weather last year but, as it's only been driven sporadically this year, it's averaged a touch over 60mpg
Let's hear your thoughts then seeing as you are such an advocate for the environment, yet own neither a hybrid or an BEV.always about the mpg...........sigh
That's how the BMW i3 with range extender was engineered, it used a BMW motorbike engine as a generator. BMW dropped the range extender feature in 2018 while claiming they increased the battery range of the base car. There are stories that suggest there were problems with the motorbike engine not being used very much causing issues with it.Never had or driven a hybrid but when I heard advertising mentioned "mild hybrid" that puzzled. It seems as I recall that the electric "aspect" were like having someone who could give the car push for but only briefly! IMO it seemed to be like the car makers were trying to make a normal with marginally green credentials
It struck the reverse of the above might make a decent combo. That is the primary motive power is electric that can & will be plugged in when needed/available. But it would have an ultra efficient lean burn ICE, this engine is not intended to drive the car but when combined with a state of the art generator would charge the battery pack either on demand or in a controlled trickle manner. Such a vehicle to me would be a mild hybrid!
My understanding, only from reading, is that the battery management controlled the throttle on the ICE which meant that while cruising the revs could rise dramatically to recharge the buffer batteries. Im sure it differs between the 3 types of hybrid.
As I said before, I have no practical experience, hence the questions.
May I ask what Hybrid you have?
A mild hybrid,or the Ford ones at least, have an electric motor that replaces the alternator. This provides additional torque to the engine, reducing emissions and fuel consumption whilst also allowing the car to accelerate faster. They have a small battery under one of the front seats, the battery recharges every time you slow down or brake.Never had or driven a hybrid but when I heard advertising mentioned "mild hybrid" that puzzled. It seems as I recall that the electric "aspect" were like having someone who could give the car push for but only briefly! IMO it seemed to be like the car makers were trying to make a normal with marginally green credentials
It struck the reverse of the above might make a decent combo. That is the primary motive power is electric that can & will be plugged in when needed/available. But it would have an ultra efficient lean burn ICE, this engine is not intended to drive the car but when combined with a state of the art generator would charge the battery pack either on demand or in a controlled trickle manner. Such a vehicle to me would be a mild hybrid!
That's how the BMW i3 with range extender was engineered, it used a BMW motorbike engine as a generator. BMW dropped the range extender feature in 2018 while claiming they increased the battery range of the base car. There are stories that suggest there were problems with the motorbike engine not being used very much causing issues with it.
A mild hybrid,or the Ford ones at least, have an electric motor that replaces the alternator. This provides additional torque to the engine, reducing emissions and fuel consumption whilst also allowing the car to accelerate faster. They have a small battery under one of the front seats, the battery recharges every time you slow down or brake.
Range extenders have an engine that acts as a generator that recharges the battery. In the case of the Transit, it uses a 1.0 ecoboost engine that isn't connected to the drive train.
The engine in the Transit, first appeared in the Fiesta around 2011/12. The mild hybrid engine found currently in the Fiesta, Focus and Puma is a redesign of that 2011/12 engine, starting development in 2013. It appeared in the Fiesta in 2018 without the mild hybrid feature.Ah! Range Extenders are in effect what I was describing.
In both your cases the engines in question were likely designed around 10 + years ago and reached a zenith of refinement for their era of vehicle.
I've had va hybrid for a little over a year. I can't say that the engine needs to rev higher than for the speed, I just drive it normally and the battery charges.
As for the mpg, I was getting up to 80mpg during the warm weather last year but, as it's only been driven sporadically this year, it's averaged a touch over 60mpg
A quick google shows:I'm still worried about the whole life impact. It would be nice if we could have concise and correct figures and conclusions and could tell with some degree of certainty which is "best" planet wise. I suspect it wont be electric in the form it is now.
EV are almost at price parity.Over 3 years typical driving you will save a bunch of running costs at the expense of your £5-10K extra.
List price of most expensive petrol MG ZS is £19503EV are almost at price parity.
Petrol MG ZS auto start just under £18k: https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-search?sort=price-asc&postcode=ln139rf&radius=1500&make=MG&model=MG ZS&include-delivery-option=on&year-from=new&transmission=Automatic
Electric MG ZS EV start just under £20k: https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-search?sort=price-asc&postcode=ln139rf&radius=1500&make=MG&model=MG ZS&include-delivery-option=on&year-from=new&transmission=Automatic&fuel-type=Electric
And you really believe that they are prepared to knock £6k off the price of the EV and only £1.5k off the petrol.The prices wyz087 appear to be what the cars are actually available for rather than list price.
And you really believe that they are prepared to knock £6k off the price of the EV and only £1.5k off the petrol.
I thought you favour list price over MSRP?And you really believe that they are prepared to knock £6k off the price of the EV and only £1.5k off the petrol.
A quick google shows:...
Battery recycling is a new industry, but definitely a solvable and scalable problem when the demand appears.Maybe I need to study that or do my own Googling but what I'm interested in the the environmental impact over whole life and that includes mining materials, manufacturing components, making the cars, ownership and scrapping/recycling and then there's the issue of sourcing the materials for the batteries. I heard or read somewhere that the planet can't support that and strip mining the ocean floor is going to be contentious to say the least.
I'll look into this one day but at the mo I just can't see it working on a larger scale than it's happening now especially as recycling and safe disposal are at this point in time sometimes more fantasy than the reality.
Battery recycling is a new industry, but definitely a solvable and scalable problem when the demand appears.
View: https://youtu.be/Bpe8HalVXFU
There is also re-using the battery at the end of its useful life powering electric vehicle.
Both articles I linked does talk about environmental impact of mining and production of batteries. The graph I posted above definitely includes production impact.
If I recall correctly, but happy to be corrected. The sea floor news was an research done on possible source of material for battery production. But the news headlines turned it into “EV need to destroy sea floor”.
Did the research paper actually say it was required to fulfil global EV demand? How was it calculated? Everyone replace their car with unnecessary 500 miles EV using existing battery technology?
After producing EV, once they are on the road, how can they be deemed evil?It's scalable if either the planet can provide the materials needed to make them without causing damage or pollution that'd make the whole thing pointless or just not any better than what we do now to run petrol and diesel or if we can synthesise or otherwise make the batteries without raping the planet for the rare elements and materials they need in their current form.
Yes, electric cars are made now but in relatively small numbers but if the whole planet or even just a large developed country is going to go full ev that's a different matter and brings me back to that report stating the planet can't provide what we need to make the batteries. If that report is wrong that's another matter. Is it wrong?
And then there's end of life / recycling much of which people need putting in prison over such is the farce it is. Sometimes...
Going back 10 or 15 years or more when I was working for a supplier I heard something worrying... if true... and it was that a certain European manufacturer, in my informants words "had decided that ev was the way to go and there was no alternative." That decision was backed by the national govt. I don't generally buy into conspiracy theories but we are being pushed in ev and I do hope it is indeed the right way to go.
I live in hope but I wont be too surprised if all this ends in tears and after a few years we're all told ev is evil and we must move onto the next thing.
Just like we were told about diesel some years back..........I live in hope but I wont be too surprised if all this ends in tears and after a few years we're all told ev is evil and we must move onto the next thing.
Luckily those will finally be banned in 2030.
They are the same thing.I thought you favour list price over MSRP?
I can think of two reasons.Looking at other examples of similar cars listed there, yes. Not sure why MG EVs seem to be being heavily discounted but it certainly looks like they are at several dealers.
I think the real reason for heavy discount is that MG are committed to EV’s. They seem to produce more EV than market demand. As market demand picks up from changing mindset, their cars are here and available for purchase.I can think of two reasons.
1 it's an MG
2 it's an EV.
Remember how diesel was the saviour because of lower CO2 emissions? Then it turned out to cause more NOx particulates.Just like we were told about diesel some years back..........