L-Mount Alliance Owners Thread

Anyonoe have experience with the 150-600 Sigma? I'm currently on the L 100-400 on my SL2 but need something a bit longer..
 
I did briefly have the 150-600 and it was far too heavy for me. It was fine on local trips but dragging it over fields got old real quick. I have the 100-400 and agree that at time longer would be better. Would the 1.4x be more appropriate? Certainly cheaper at the cost of a stop.
 
Ronin2000 said:
I’m going to get one on loan including the Sigma EF-L adapter so should give my lenses a good try out, I mainly shoot af-c and subject detect.
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The Sigma branded adapter will be your best bet. There are a few AF test videos on YouTube with the S5ii can Canon EF glass and it seems to perform quite well.

As an L Mount alliance member, Sigma has full access to the mount data which should ensure the best compatibility/performance.
 
Tulipone said:
I did briefly have the 150-600 and it was far too heavy for me. It was fine on local trips but dragging it over fields got old real quick. I have the 100-400 and agree that at time longer would be better. Would the 1.4x be more appropriate? Certainly cheaper at the cost of a stop.
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That’s a good point actually.. I’ve been spoiled before having the R5 and the 800 F11. There are those who are like…… but seriously that is one insane and great combo, but I’m determined to keep the Leica, sent the R5 to MPB a while back. Forcing myself to get on with the SL2!!
 
Adam-G said:
The Sigma branded adapter will be your best bet. There are a few AF test videos on YouTube with the S5ii can Canon EF glass and it seems to perform quite well.

As an L Mount alliance member, Sigma has full access to the mount data which should ensure the best compatibility/performance.
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I actually have the viltrox pro version as I have a few canon lens I’ll never get rid of, it’s OK on the sl2 but very slow.. suspect it’s because of the contrast detect AF
 
2.9kgs (S5 with 150-600) doesn't sound much but then with a backpack, spare stuff and the kitchen sink it sure all adds up 3-4 miles in. No idea how old you are but that combo demonstrated to me that I'm not as young as I used to be.
 
Ronin2000 said:
I’m thinking of switching from Canon R6 to S5M2, I have a few Canon EF lenses and was wondering if you tried an adapter and how it performed, Thanks
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Ok so far so good, I received the loan gear on Thursday from lumixloans in the UK, I was loaned the
  1. Panasonic LUMIX S5II
  2. Sigma MC-21 EF-L
  3. Panasonic LUMIX 70-300 lens.

Here’s some test shots from the garden today, not top draw images but IQ and Colours are good IMO.
Lenses Tried :-

  1. Canon EF 400mm f4 DO IS II USM with a Canon EF 1.4x MKIII Extender
  2. Canon EF 100-400mm L IS USM Mk II
  3. Canon EF 24-105mm f4L IS USM II
All photos are shot with Canon 400mm F4 DO MKII with a 1.4x MKIII Extender, apart from the rig.

All worked well but not as snappy as the LUMIX glass, I was using AF-C, burst mode was a bit weird, Mechanical High Speed H was more like M, and with Electronic Shutter SH seemed like 30fps but H Electronic was more like M?
The bird eye AF was a bit hit and miss, not as sticky as my R6 MK1….

The camera did a good job with the High ISO images and with and extra 4mp the images cropped down well without loosing to much detail. Video is amazing of course.

Shot in RAW, processed in Lightroom, just crop and my adjustments, no sharpening or noise reduction.

P.S I’ve a few more days to test the S5II so the jury’s out till Tuesday, if there’s anything someone would like me to try please ask.IMG_8071.jpegS5M2_P1153273_11-05-22_EDIT.jpegIMG_0718.jpegIMG_0719.jpegIMG_0720.jpeg
 
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I caved and decided to swap out my Sigma 105mm Macro for the Lumix 100mm Macro and my God, it's floored me.

Image quality easily on par (possibly better in the corners) than the Sigma, less than half the size and weight and the Autofocus is quick enough to be used for general purpose photography. Even tested it with a moving dog and it performed as well as any of my other lenses.

I thought there may be a bit of overstating hype but there definitely isn't. Highly recommended.
 
Finally got round to talking a little walk with the Lumix 100mm Macro.

I had to get myself out of the manual focus macro mindset and test the Autofocus and low and behold, it was rapid and accurate.

All images are single shot, handheld and I'm no Macro photographer so be gentle.

Definitely has a permanent place in my bag now.

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Decided to test to Lumix S 100m Macro with a running dog. Nailed the full sequence.

I'm honestly blown away with it.

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@Ronin2000 How did your loan go? I'm still contemplating a Lumix S5M2 after having a frustrating few months with a Sony A9 Mk1; its fine on big stuff but it seems to struggle focusing on tracking my small ish brown/black dog when running towards me; it doesn't track the head let alone the eye and ends up focusing on her torso, worse so far than my old Olympus E-M1.2! I've tried all matter of settings but just cannot get the hit rate to anything like I could with my old Olympus setup; the Lumix can't be any worse than that can it with more sophisticated subject detection? Does it focus on the head if it can't pick up the eyes?

I looked at lumixloan and saw that you can get a few days for free but the high deposit puts me off.
 
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Few of mine with the Leica SL2, Sigma 100-400 and recently acquired Sigma TC2011. In the miserable weather we have on this islannd, the ISO had to be cranked up to around 6400. However I'm not too displeased.... Shot RAW as usual, minor RAW processing.

Knocked down to 1920 for posting here of course. They're a LOT sharper in real life!
 

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Meike have announced a 50mm f1.8 auto focus L mount lens. I hope they have 35mm and 85mm lenses in the works too!
 
Adam-G said:
Selling this if anyone's interested.

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Just recently started going through this thread, as im thinking about getting a Panasonic FF body, to compliment my Panny MFT G9. Since im mainly into close up/macro, i would need to either get the 100mm macro lens, or maybe the 28-200mm lens combined with a 500D close up filter?? Which lens out of those 2 options would work best i wonder??
Im happy with my current set up of a G9 with the Olympus 60mm macro lens, or i use G9 with Panny 45-150mm lens/500D close up filter. I would say 95% use for UK Butterflies, an 5% use for UK Reptiles.
It would seem that not many Panny FF users on here shoot close up/macro, so im wondering if a FF set up would work for my type of photography?
Any thoughts from members on this thread, would be appreciated.
Cheers Paul.
 
Testudo Man said:
Just recently started going through this thread, as im thinking about getting a Panasonic FF body, to compliment my Panny MFT G9. Since im mainly into close up/macro, i would need to either get the 100mm macro lens, or maybe the 28-200mm lens combined with a 500D close up filter?? Which lens out of those 2 options would work best i wonder??
Im happy with my current set up of a G9 with the Olympus 60mm macro lens, or i use G9 with Panny 45-150mm lens/500D close up filter. I would say 95% use for UK Butterflies, an 5% use for UK Reptiles.
It would seem that not many Panny FF users on here shoot close up/macro, so im wondering if a FF set up would work for my type of photography?
Any thoughts from members on this thread, would be appreciated.
Cheers Paul.
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The trade off between MFT and Full Frame in Macro will be essentially depth of field vs image quality/light gathering.

I've had no issues shooting macro on various lenses over the past 3 years I've owned S series cameras.
 
Adam-G said:
The trade off between MFT and Full Frame in Macro will be essentially depth of field vs image quality/light gathering.

I've had no issues shooting macro on various lenses over the past 3 years I've owned S series cameras.
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Thanks for you input Adam, its appreciated. I shot over a 1000 butterfly images all day yesterday! on the G9, an i was shooting between f/8 an f/11 for detail...im wondering what i could get away with on a Panny FF (camera settings)...in order to produce equivalent results?
Ive just found an S5 user(with a Sigma 105mm) on Flickr, who is producing some very nice Butterfly images, he is stacking a lot of his images, an using a tripod (2 things i dont do myself) but he has some very good single images using that set up.
My butterfly season comes to an end early October, so i wont use a camera 'in anger' until next March onwards, but a Panny FF interests me. I think i might start off with the S5, as i shoot one handed a lot of the time, so that lightweight body could work. I have no problem buying 2ndhand gear either, but as its just a hobby, i dont throw heaps of money around for camera gear. Cheers Paul.
 
I have an S5 and Sigma 105mm and stack static macro using Affinity photo 2. Adam is far better and certainly more experienced than I. To me it seems to be the trade off to shoot at 2.8 and stack but no reason not to shoot at f8 handheld if that is your thing. I would imagine a living butterfly you'd need to burst. Is there a significant difference between M4/3 and ff?
 
Adam-G said:
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Had a change of heart. Lens is too good to let go of!

@Tulipone - you get twice the workable depth of field on MFT compared to Full Frame with equivalent focal lengths.

I like to draw attention to certain parts of the subject a lot of the time so I don't stack a lot but if you need more of the image in focus on a single shot, MFT has an advantage.
 
Tulipone said:
I'm not surprised. I think your Panasonic is significantly better than my Sigma.
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I'd say image quality wise, they basically identical. The Panasonic has huge size, weight and AF performance advantages though. And if you're into video, there's next to no focus breathing.
 
Tulipone said:
I have an S5 and Sigma 105mm and stack static macro using Affinity photo 2. Adam is far better and certainly more experienced than I. To me it seems to be the trade off to shoot at 2.8 and stack but no reason not to shoot at f8 handheld if that is your thing. I would imagine a living butterfly you'd need to burst. Is there a significant difference between M4/3 and ff?
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Ive never stacked images, i always shoot handheld...an yes, a flying/moving, living creature (such as a butterfly) is always gonna give you problems, when trying to capture as much of the subject in focus, in a single image...but i do like a challenge! Lots of variables to take into consideration (camera settings/lens, distance to subject etc etc) but i guess field skills, knowing your subject, plays a huge role. Yesterday, it was quite hot, so i did use burst a fair bit, but i dont rely on burst...i do use the electronic shutter though, most if not all of the time.
If i get an S5, i will let you know if there is any significant difference with my MFT set up, for my subjects...I guess it could all come down to the lens used at the time?
 
Testudo Man said:
Ive never stacked images, i always shoot handheld...an yes, a flying/moving, living creature (such as a butterfly) is always gonna give you problems, when trying to capture as much of the subject in focus, in a single image...but i do like a challenge! Lots of variables to take into consideration (camera settings/lens, distance to subject etc etc) but i guess field skills, knowing your subject, plays a huge role. Yesterday, it was quite hot, so i did use burst a fair bit, but i dont rely on burst...i do use the electronic shutter though, most if not all of the time.
If i get an S5, i will let you know if there is any significant difference with my MFT set up, for my subjects...I guess it could all come down to the lens used at the time?
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When using the Panasonic 100mm Macro in conjunction with the S5ii the animal subject tracking is crazily good.

With my Sigma 105mm and prior to that my Sigma 70mm I always focused manually and moved myself to try and get the correct focal plane.

Now, I can legitimately rely on the autofocus in a lot of situations.

This shot for example, the fly was moving around the flower and the AF tracked him and even found the eye.

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Again, I'm not a macro photographer by any stretch so anything that makes it slightly easier is very welcome!

The original S5 doesn't have this tracking mode and has less capable AF than the S5ii however.
 
Adam-G said:
Had a change of heart. Lens is too good to let go of!

@Tulipone - you get twice the workable depth of field on MFT compared to Full Frame with equivalent focal lengths.

I like to draw attention to certain parts of the subject a lot of the time so I don't stack a lot but if you need more of the image in focus on a single shot, MFT has an advantage.
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I didnt want to break any forum rules, by talking about your 100mm macro lens in this thread (because you had just listed it in the classified)...but it would have been crazy of me to get that lens 1st.......................before i had even got my hands on a Panny FF body!!!!!..................the lens did catch my eye though!...an as tempting as it was, i nearly asked you some questions in the classified!...but i didnt want to come across as a 'tyre kicker'. If i get an S5, then surely i need to get the 100mm macro too.
 
Testudo Man said:
I didnt want to break any forum rules, by talking about your 100mm macro lens in this thread (because you had just listed it in the classified)...but it would have been crazy of me to get that lens 1st.......................before i had even got my hands on a Panny FF body!!!!!..................the lens did catch my eye though!...an as tempting as it was, i nearly asked you some questions in the classified!...but i didnt want to come across as a 'tyre kicker'. If i get an S5, then surely i need to get the 100mm macro too.
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I've removed the listing now, decided to keep it.

With the bundle deals Panasonic often runs, I'd definitely look at the S5ii over the original S5. The Phase Detect on the S5ii is much more responsive with moving subjects than the CDAF on the original S5.

If you're doing a lot of stationary macro and you're not shooting a lot of fast moving subjects, the S5 will be great but personally, I'd go for the S5ii.
 
This is another shot I took where the animal eye AF on the S5ii grabbed the eyes and the super quick motor on the Lumix S100mm Macro locked in instantaneously.

Like I say, I'm up for anything that makes it easier to get a shot and it's a combo that works for me.
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Adam-G said:
When using the Panasonic 100mm Macro in conjunction with the S5ii the animal subject tracking is crazily good.

With my Sigma 105mm and prior to that my Sigma 70mm I always focused manually and moved myself to try and get the correct focal plane.

Now, I can legitimately rely on the autofocus in a lot of situations.

This shot for example, the fly was moving around the flower and the AF tracked him and even found the eye.

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Again, I'm not a macro photographer by any stretch so anything that makes it slightly easier is very welcome!

The original S5 doesn't have this tracking mode and has less capable AF than the S5ii however.
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With modern cameras (good auto focus) using manual focus is a thing of the past now. Sure, if you are in a studio, an you have all the time in the world, an your subject is not alive! then use manual focus...but if you are out in the field, with high temps, an you subject is very much alive, an can fly!!! then its auto focus all the way for me...by the time i faffed around with manual focus, my subject would have gone!
Adam-G said:
I've removed the listing now, decided to keep it.

With the bundle deals Panasonic often runs, I'd definitely look at the S5ii over the original S5. The Phase Detect on the S5ii is much more responsive with moving subjects than the CDAF on the original S5.

If you're doing a lot of stationary macro and you're not shooting a lot of fast moving subjects, the S5 will be great but personally, I'd go for the S5ii.
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Yeah, i know the S5ii has better focus for sure...I doubt i will buy now until next season...a couple more months an i shut down for the Winter...next March, i would imagine prices will be even lower for gear. Cheers Paul.
 
Adam-G said:
This is another shot I took where the animal eye AF on the S5ii grabbed the eyes and the super quick motor on the Lumix S100mm Macro locked in instantaneously.

Like I say, I'm up for anything that makes it easier to get a shot and it's a combo that works for me.
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Great shot, i like a Spider image...Ive spent long sessions shooting our UK spiders in the past...Zebra spiders are a fav of mine, but our zebra spiders are tiny compared to that Tarantula sized beast
 
Testudo Man said:
With modern cameras (good auto focus) using manual focus is a thing of the past now. Sure, if you are in a studio, an you have all the time in the world, an your subject is not alive! then use manual focus...but if you are out in the field, with high temps, an you subject is very much alive, an can fly!!! then its auto focus all the way for me...by the time i faffed around with manual focus, my subject would have gone!
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I don't know, a lot of incredible macro photographers still use manual focus and are often forced to with super high magnification lenses being manual focus only.

I try to use the best tool for the required outcome but as I said, I'm no macro photographer really. In my limited experience though, Macro lenses in general are super slow to focus due to the sheer amount of glass and the slow stepping motor set configurations, so even with the best AF system in camera, getting a moving bug at true macro ratios isn't going to be easy.

That's where this Lumix 100mm has been a revelation, the motors are as fast as those found in their traditional S series primes.
 
Testudo Man said:
Great shot, i like a Spider image...Ive spent long sessions shooting our UK spiders in the past...Zebra spiders are a fav of mine, but our zebra spiders are tiny compared to that Tarantula sized beast
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That's a shot of a baby Orange Baboon Tarantula at 1:1 ratio. I used to have a pet jumping spider but I never really spent a lot of time photographing him and their lifespans are so short I wasn't interested in keeping another one.

Looking at your Flickr, the sort of butterfly shots you're taking would be a breeze on the S5ii/100mm combo. If you don't need true 1:1 macro and require a bit more distance to the subject there are other telephoto options that reach half macro I think.
 
Adam-G said:
I don't know, a lot of incredible macro photographers still use manual focus and are often forced to with super high magnification lenses being manual focus only.

I try to use the best tool for the required outcome but as I said, I'm no macro photographer really. In my limited experience though, Macro lenses in general are super slow to focus due to the sheer amount of glass and the slow stepping motor set configurations, so even with the best AF system in camera, getting a moving bug at true macro ratios isn't going to be easy.

That's where this Lumix 100mm has been a revelation, the motors are as fast as those found in their traditional S series primes.
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Yeah, to be fair, my butterfly images are not 'true' macro...at best, they are close up/near macro!!! There are different levels of macro really, one mans macro is another mans close up! Then there is crazy ultra macro, with 500 stacked images, using near microscope lenses.
 
Adam-G said:
That's a shot of a baby Orange Baboon Tarantula at 1:1 ratio. I used to have a pet jumping spider but I never really spent a lot of time photographing him and their lifespans are so short I wasn't interested in keeping another one.

Looking at your Flickr, the sort of butterfly shots you're taking would be a breeze on the S5ii/100mm combo. If you don't need true 1:1 macro and require a bit more distance to the subject there are other telephoto options that reach half macro I think.
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Cheers for all the advice Adam, i have literally dipped my toes in this thread, to have a chat an stuff...ive only started looking at Panny FF less than a week ago!!! so its early days for me, i never rush into anything related to camera gear.

If a FF panny body, with a macro lens, can improve on my existing images(from my G9/Olympus 60mm macro lens) then its all good...there goes the dinner bell, i will keep an eye on the thread now. Cheers Paul.
 
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