weekly Manc Man 52/2012 -WEEK 15 - Departed

Southdowns said:
Yes, but if it's the raw file you're opening, the camera's WB setting (and scene style etc) will have no effect, because raw is raw; it's what the sensor sees before applying any processing to it, except noise reduction. So if you do no editing (changing WB) in Camera Raw, you'll see what the sensor saw when it's passed to PS.

In other words, you could set the camera's WB setting to tungsten and take a shot, then set it to flash and take another, and the images would look identical if taken from the raw file.

Try shooting a couple of shots in raw+jpeg, with different WB settings, and you'll see that the raw ones stay the same, while the jpeg ones respond to the setting.

So no, if you use raw, having the WB set to tungsten won't be the cause of the blue tinge.

Or at least that's my understanding :)
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Sounds good to me, I will give it a try on Friday
But if your theory is right I might as well shoot on auto and make any changes in camera raw?

i was searching the web this morning and found this comment
If you shoot in RAW, leave the WB at 'Auto' and set it later. If you shoot in JPEG, make sure it's set properly before you begin shooting.
 
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Well, not entirely on auto, because some things do make a difference. Think of it this way; if a setting changes what the sensor sees or how it physically behaves, it'll have an effect, but if it's applied to the image AFTER the sensor has seen it, it won't.

So, settings that DO make a difference when shooting raw are;

Aperture
Shutter speed
ISO
Long exposure noise reduction
Focus point and metering mode
Physical filters
And auto modes that adjust the above for you, like portrait (opens the aperture), or action/sport (uses a fast shutter).

Settings that DON'T make any difference in raw include;

White balance
Scene modes such as black and white, sunset etc
Contrast, sharpness, saturation, if your camera lets you adjust those or has modes that do.

So yes, what you found on the web is correct, but it's not that it's best to shoot in auto WB with raw, it's that there's no point doing anything else. There is no "off" setting for WB :)
 
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Southdowns said:
Well, not entirely on auto, because some things do make a difference. Think of it this way; if a setting changes what the sensor sees or how it physically behaves, it'll have an effect, but if it's applied to the image AFTER the sensor has seen it, it won't.

So, settings that DO make a difference when shooting raw are;

Aperture
Shutter speed
ISO
Long exposure noise reduction
Focus point and metering mode
Physical filters
And auto modes that adjust the above for you, like portrait (opens the aperture), or action/sport (uses a fast shutter).

Settings that DON'T make any difference in raw include;

White balance
Scene modes such as black and white, sunset etc
Contrast, sharpness, saturation, if your camera lets you adjust those or has modes that do.

So yes, what you found on the web is correct, but it's not that it's best to shoot in auto WB with raw, it's that there's no point doing anything else. There is no "off" setting for WB :)
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Sorry i ment auto WB and not full camera auto

also did a post in PP section of the forum to find an answer, think i got the answer.

http://www.talkphotography.co.uk/forums/showpost.php?p=4551859&postcount=8
 
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Hmm, you appear to have got conflicting replies in that thread, but my testing DOES suggest that the WB setting might make a difference after all, which makes little sense to me. I've added a reply in that thread to try and find out for sure.
 
Southdowns said:
Hmm, you appear to have got conflicting replies in that thread, but my testing DOES suggest that the WB setting might make a difference after all, which makes little sense to me. I've added a reply in that thread to try and find out for sure.
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tell me about it, going to try your little test on friday and see what happens.
 
Manc Man said:
Re C and C, i have seen the error of my way. if i want true C and C i should post my shot in one of the relevent forums and not rely on one of the 52 team to do it.(y)
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I think it's a lottery on the main forum, there are some real critics out their that are down right rude. You know the sorts, with comments like 'just take better photos'! I'd say you get plenty of C&C here, it's just the pink and fluffy kind!
 
The goblin said:
I think it's a lottery on the main forum, there are some real critics out their that are down right rude. You know the sorts, with comments like 'just take better photos'! I'd say you get plenty of C&C here, it's just the pink and fluffy kind!
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Apologies on hijacking your thread Darren but could I suggest a little, err lets call it a pact? From now on, starting with week 15 theme that honest and open critique is given? We have all been around each others threads often enough now, and feel that we've come quite a way in this 52 to know each other a little better than we did. Some reference to agreeing to this suggested pact could be made when posting our photographs that we are expecting brutal honesty and not so pink and fluffy as Marsha quite correctly called it. Just a suggestion which may up the game a little. Iain
 
Hi Darren

Entrance - I like the idea and composition of the shot. I agree with others that the first one is a bit blue and the #2 is a bit washed out - there must be a happy medium there somewhere.

I think that it would have a better balance with less of the left and more of the right parts of the shot. That would also move the post out of the centre (a pity it is there at all, partic as it seems to have some sort of cctv bit on top - but you have to work with what is there)



Also it is often commented that the horizon should be a third up or a third down the page and in this case i would like to see more of the foreground and less of the sky

It is a nice scene and I like the border that you have applied(y)

Your thread has certainly generated some commnet on the type of things that other 52ers shold say. I would prefer people to be honest but not abusive . I don't mind people saying that they don't like a shot - i would like some idea why, that is all.

The panorama that you shot is just like many of mine. The same comments that I have made to you I could apply to myself. Often what i see in my mind's eye does not come out in the shot. I think that my main fault is not paying enough attention to detail so things get left in or omitted because i have been sloppy - I too have forgotten to alter the WB from tungsten to daylight when I have left a building. Only the other day I was cursing the fact that one of my lenses was giving really poorly unsharp images, until I realised that i had the button on the lens set at M rather than A/M.

So don't be too despondent - plenty of numpties out here.:bang:

I remember many, many years ago the BBC making 6 half hour programmes on photography, each with a different theme. On one they had a pro who specialised in urban/ rural landscapes. He was asked how many good shots he took and he replied that (remember this was the days of film and the 24/36 shot rolls) he was happy with 1 good shot from 36 and if he got 2 or 3 then he was really pleased.

I have always remembered that comment
 
Hi Darren,

Interesting thread this week, I have the same camera as you and was always told to shoot in RAW.....but I didn't know why so I set the camera to shoot in RAW + jpeg so I could compare.....and that's how I stumbled upon the ability to change certain RAW settings in Digital Photo professional (the software that comes with the camera). I have great fun playing with the settings to see what they do! lol But mostly it's how I convert my shots to mono.

With the discussion about honest critique in mind, on to your entrance shot. I'm in the same boat as you, I know a good shot when I see it but don't always know why it works! I quite like the subject you've chosen for the theme, the panorama presentation works well, like the road going off in the distance to the right of the shot but I'm not so keen on the cars & buildings to the left. The curve of the road would make a great lead into the farm entrance but it's leading my eye to the car with it's boot open instead. Perhaps having a little bit more of the road in the shot would lead the eye past the car and right down the driveway? or maybe crop the cars out altogether? Hope that helps.

Carol

p.s. maybe a break for a week is all you need to feel inspired and excited about your photography again?
 
The goblin said:
I think it's a lottery on the main forum, there are some real critics out their that are down right rude. You know the sorts, with comments like 'just take better photos'! I'd say you get plenty of C&C here, it's just the pink and fluffy kind!
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blakester said:
Apologies on hijacking your thread Darren but could I suggest a little, err lets call it a pact? From now on, starting with week 15 theme that honest and open critique is given? We have all been around each others threads often enough now, and feel that we've come quite a way in this 52 to know each other a little better than we did. Some reference to agreeing to this suggested pact could be made when posting our photographs that we are expecting brutal honesty and not so pink and fluffy as Marsha quite correctly called it. Just a suggestion which may up the game a little. Iain
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superpippo said:
Hi Darren

Entrance - I like the idea and composition of the shot. I agree with others that the first one is a bit blue and the #2 is a bit washed out - there must be a happy medium there somewhere.

I think that it would have a better balance with less of the left and more of the right parts of the shot. That would also move the post out of the centre (a pity it is there at all, partic as it seems to have some sort of cctv bit on top - but you have to work with what is there)



Also it is often commented that the horizon should be a third up or a third down the page and in this case i would like to see more of the foreground and less of the sky

It is a nice scene and I like the border that you have applied(y)

Your thread has certainly generated some commnet on the type of things that other 52ers shold say. I would prefer people to be honest but not abusive . I don't mind people saying that they don't like a shot - i would like some idea why, that is all.

The panorama that you shot is just like many of mine. The same comments that I have made to you I could apply to myself. Often what i see in my mind's eye does not come out in the shot. I think that my main fault is not paying enough attention to detail so things get left in or omitted because i have been sloppy - I too have forgotten to alter the WB from tungsten to daylight when I have left a building. Only the other day I was cursing the fact that one of my lenses was giving really poorly unsharp images, until I realised that i had the button on the lens set at M rather than A/M.

So don't be too despondent - plenty of numpties out here.:bang:

I remember many, many years ago the BBC making 6 half hour programmes on photography, each with a different theme. On one they had a pro who specialised in urban/ rural landscapes. He was asked how many good shots he took and he replied that (remember this was the days of film and the 24/36 shot rolls) he was happy with 1 good shot from 36 and if he got 2 or 3 then he was really pleased.

I have always remembered that comment
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Donnie said:
Sorry just catching up here, I like the shot it's a good panorama and it's bang on theme, the only thing is the blueness of the shot that's a little distracting even in the edit.
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cazagee said:
Hi Darren,

Interesting thread this week, I have the same camera as you and was always told to shoot in RAW.....but I didn't know why so I set the camera to shoot in RAW + jpeg so I could compare.....and that's how I stumbled upon the ability to change certain RAW settings in Digital Photo professional (the software that comes with the camera). I have great fun playing with the settings to see what they do! lol But mostly it's how I convert my shots to mono.

With the discussion about honest critique in mind, on to your entrance shot. I'm in the same boat as you, I know a good shot when I see it but don't always know why it works! I quite like the subject you've chosen for the theme, the panorama presentation works well, like the road going off in the distance to the right of the shot but I'm not so keen on the cars & buildings to the left. The curve of the road would make a great lead into the farm entrance but it's leading my eye to the car with it's boot open instead. Perhaps having a little bit more of the road in the shot would lead the eye past the car and right down the driveway? or maybe crop the cars out altogether? Hope that helps.

Carol

p.s. maybe a break for a week is all you need to feel inspired and excited about your photography again?
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Cheers for the comments eveyone, i seem to of started a bit of a frenzy this week. :shake:

I have opted to leave the challenge as i can’t get any inspiration and have lost any interest I had at the start.

Wishing you all the very best with your 52’s and I hope you do better than me and make it to the end.

Good luck, Darren :wave:
 
aw shame you are leaving mister, hope to see you back soon, or maybe set yourself your own personal challenge doing a topic you really love? I sort of have one which is to take as many follies as I can :banana:
 
Shame to see you go Darren but if it's best for you then so be it ....don't be a stranger though (y)
 
Darren,

Good luck matey and I'm sorry you are leaving. Thanks for all your comments and i'm going to miss seeing your work on here.

All the best Nick
 
sturisoma said:
aw shame you are leaving mister, hope to see you back soon, or maybe set yourself your own personal challenge doing a topic you really love? I sort of have one which is to take as many follies as I can :banana:
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blondie606 said:
Shame to see you go Darren but if it's best for you then so be it ....don't be a stranger though (y)
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Blank_Canvas said:
Darren,

Good luck matey and I'm sorry you are leaving. Thanks for all your comments and i'm going to miss seeing your work on here.

All the best Nick
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Cheers Guys.

has been a blast....... good luck........(y)
 
Oh sorry to see you go:-(

Manc Man said:
I would be easy to continue, but my heart isn't in it.

I dont see it as a failure, i see it as giving me more time to get out and about with my camera and no have to think about a theme.
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Never a failure if you're still taking photos. Please pop by us lunatics once in a while. Take care.
 
Sorry to see thee go too mate :-(

There's no point continuing something though if you're not getting anything from it, just keep popping by and keep taking pictures mate and maybe you'll do next years or glean some inspiration for your own work through the themes.
(y)
 
Manc Man said:
Thank you Alex, been out today taking some panoramas shots and having fun with my daughter.
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Damm n blast you mister.....you now have me hooked on panorama's :bonk: Been wanting to try one since I saw your Entance shot so had a play....carp photo's but now I know I can do them I'm thinking 'bout where I can go for some better views....found that Windows live photo viewer has the facility for panorama's...so something else I'm now hooked on ....cheers , I think :LOL:

Glad to hear you've been out & enjoying your photgraphy (y)
 
Hi Darren, what can I say that no one else has!! just all the best for the future....be good to have your criticism now and agian;)
 
blondie606 said:
Damm n blast you mister.....you now have me hooked on panorama's :bonk: Been wanting to try one since I saw your Entance shot so had a play....carp photo's but now I know I can do them I'm thinking 'bout where I can go for some better views....found that Windows live photo viewer has the facility for panorama's...so something else I'm now hooked on ....cheers , I think :LOL:

Glad to hear you've been out & enjoying your photgraphy (y)
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I was told about windows live photo, but i am using CS5, i am sure there is other software about, i bet one came with your camera?
Love doing the panoramas.
Check this one out Lynne

http://www.talkphotography.co.uk/forums/showpost.php?p=4566130&postcount=1

kirkers1978 said:
Hi Darren, what can I say that no one else has!! just all the best for the future....be good to have your criticism now and agian;)
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No problem Neil, i will be more that happy to call over now ang again.
 
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