Really? You don't have a clue what I believe or not and don't dare to presume you do.
Oh dear, a bit peeved maybe that very few (if any) people seem to be criticising the police on this threadWhere will you channel al that pent up frustration?
Really? You don't have a clue what I believe or not and don't dare to presume you do.
Oh dear, a bit peeved maybe that very few (if any) people seem to be criticising the police on this threadWhere will you channel al that pent up frustration?
It means like any film it can be faked, edited or spun to give a false impression, intentionally or otherwise. Therefore judging something by just a video, as we has been proven time and time again in the courts its a dangerous thing to do.
Ha ha. As I've discussed before I've been locked up and beaten up, cautioned and charged by the Police and have more reason than most to knock them but I don't. It just hacks me off to hear people slag them off when the are ignorant of the full facts. This not only goes for the cops but all Emergency Services and the Armed Forces. Easy targets and I don't go for it.
except we are justified in how we reacted to that video.
my experience of the police makes me think they are all ***** until proved otherwise which it shouldn't be.
POAH
I could say the same about the public. I could say the same about certain groups of people. Which you no doubt would see as some form of (ex)Police wrong doing. Except you are doing to the Police exactly what they are critisied for doing. A touch of hypocrisy?
Actually the reality is, knowing a fair few Police Officers as I have in my life, that the very vast majority of them are more than straight. Of course a small minority are bent, it happens, but in terms of proportions probably far far less than any other walk of life.
It would be interesting, although impossible unfortunately to get the opposite view of your dealings with Police Officers, I wonder if they would have described you as a paragon of virtue? I suppose it might explain your preference for people to only judge with one sides version of a story.
POAH
I could say the same about the public. I could say the same about certain groups of people. Which you no doubt would see as some form of (ex)Police wrong doing. Except you are doing to the Police exactly what they are critisied for doing. A touch of hypocrisy?
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From the BBC: The Metropolitan Police Commissioner has praised the "very dignified way" Mark Duggan's family has responded to the inquest conclusion.
Really? Was he watching the same family I was? As far as I'm concerned Duggan was a violent criminal who was carrying a firearm and I have no sympathy for him, only for the officers involved in this case. They will be facing the next few years under the microscope from the media, self-serving politicians and weak senior police officers. It about time the 'leaders' of the Met Police grew some balls and backed their officers instead of spouting mealy-mouthed platitudes for the benefit of the press who are the ones whipping this into a frenzy.
From the BBC: The Metropolitan Police Commissioner has praised the "very dignified way" Mark Duggan's family has responded to the inquest conclusion.
Really? Was he watching the same family I was? As far as I'm concerned Duggan was a violent criminal who was carrying a firearm and I have no sympathy for him, only for the officers involved in this case. They will be facing the next few years under the microscope from the media, self-serving politicians and weak senior police officers. It about time the 'leaders' of the Met Police grew some balls and backed their officers instead of spouting mealy-mouthed platitudes for the benefit of the press who are the ones whipping this into a frenzy.
Jeez Colin, go have a relaxing beer mate..................
Of course a small minority are bent, it happens, but in terms of proportions probably far far less than any other walk of life
difference is even though I think the police (and others) can be rude word I'm still polite to them
... What on earth is wrong with 'balanced' reporting, and where has it gone?
I think you would find if you examined the subject objectively that the incidence of criminality amongst the United Kingdom's police officers is actually far higher than amongst the population as a whole.
I think you would find if you examined the subject objectively that the incidence of criminality amongst the United Kingdom's police officers is actually far higher than amongst the population as a whole.
....I can't help thinking that although you are of course entitled to whatever views and opinions you have, and that you are able to be respectful (through being polite), such respect is in reality false and that you are somewhat prejudiced against the Police (and others).
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It's a complicated case, with a lot of unanswered questions.hmmm don't know the in's and out's of it, other than what i have read on bbc and other sites, and watched on TV.
Not exactly an angel was he, and from the evidence appears to be about as guilty as a puppy sitting by a pile of poo...
Choose to go out with an illegal gun (and then discard it).... expect the consequences when armed police called in...
As a taxpayer, how much are these investigations / tribunals etc etc costing?
We should all stop buying papers and watching regular news, see what happens.
....I stopped buying papers years ago and just watch a TV News once a day, only if I'm not doing anything else. What brought this on for me was being sat sipping an iced Nescafe outdoors in Kolonaki Square, Athens (equivalent to Sloane Square, London) one summer, quietly reading the air mail copy of The Daily Telegraph no less and reading a report that tanks had rolled into Kolonaki Square. Naturally I slowly lowered my paper to gingerly peer over the top.... Not a single tank to be seen or heard! No military vehicle to be seen of any description. I have never believed a word in any newspaper since.
It's a complicated case, with a lot of unanswered questions.
But basically he didn't go out with a gun, he went out to buy a gun. The police has intelligence about this and watched him do it, watched him get into a taxi and then stopped him.
The police officers both said that he came out of the taxi with a gun in his hand, this later turned out to be untrue.
There were also questions about evidence possibly being tampered with, and nobody seems to know what actually happened, it's all just allegations and speculation.
The one thing that is certain is that although the jury found that he wasn't holding a gun, the police actions were justified in law because the shooter truly believed that he needed to shoot, at that time.
Some interesting background here, a report of the conviction of the man who supplied him with the gun.
As for how much the inquest cost, it really shouldn't matter. Unexplained deaths need to be explained. The thought that is nagging at me though is that getting Michael Mansfield to represent Duggan's family at the inquest must have cost an absolute fortune - where did that funding come from?
Due process has found that Mark Duggan was lawfully killed and it is reasonable beyond doubt that his possession of an illegal firearm in public demonstrates that he was prepared to use it. So surely there was intent.
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except we are justified in how we reacted to that video.
my experience of the police makes me think they are all *very naughty boys* until proved otherwise which it shouldn't be.
As for how much the inquest cost, it really shouldn't matter. Unexplained deaths need to be explained. The thought that is nagging at me though is that getting Michael Mansfield to represent Duggan's family at the inquest must have cost an absolute fortune - where did that funding come from?
Ignorant and damn right insulting to the 99.9 % of decent hard working officers who put their safety on the line for ungrateful people like you.
You're a bit out of date...I believe that 95% of the work taken on by Took's Chambers (which Micheal Mansfield QC is based at - head of?) is publicly funded - legal aid.
Years ago, when my wife and I were out of work briefly, we tried to get legal aid to fight a small legal case, but were refused saying that we were not eligible.
Nice to know that criminals and their families have no problem getting access to the finest legal representation in the country - whilst we pay for it.
"Police station closes ahead of Mark Duggan Vigil"