My wife is currently going about the schools our ten grandkids attend to see their nativity plays. At one last night they were only allowed in with a ticket then escorted into the hall. Fine no problem they were then told no videoing, no cameras and no mobile phone pictures unless you got a ticket giving permission. A bit strange considering family only at play then told parents only could have one and if you do want to video or take picture, it can only be your own child and they must be segregated from the rest first. Its an infants play about baby Jesus and good will on earth etc, an event thats always been photographed no problem as a record of your child growing up, why sudden changes of heart.Is any one else having this or is it an isolated case that a phobia has now hit even family only events, regarding cameras. sorry about starting this ive just seen other thread.
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My Nephew is doing his today, that's family only, ticket only, same escorted to the hall, but no problem with taking photo's of the actual play. Does seem a little OTT.
There has recently been another thread on this topic
http://www.talkphotography.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=98407
Until we as parents, guardians, grand parents etc. make a stand and say "Enough, you will not be allowed to stop me recording important moments in my children's life" then this is going to continue.
Maybe now is the time to launch a campaign to educate parents to the nonsense that is being forced upon them and the schools and other authorities to the stupidity of their over protective and selfish 'we know best' thoughts and actions.
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http://www.talkphotography.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=98407
Until we as parents, guardians, grand parents etc. make a stand and say "Enough, you will not be allowed to stop me recording important moments in my children's life" then this is going to continue.
Maybe now is the time to launch a campaign to educate parents to the nonsense that is being forced upon them and the schools and other authorities to the stupidity of their over protective and selfish 'we know best' thoughts and actions.
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I went to a summer musical put on by my nieces high school. We asked the head teacher beforehand if I could come in and take photo's, they agreed and actually asked me to take loads as they didn't have anyone taken shots otherwise and it was quite a big production.
I was the only person in there taking photo's though...and got a few strange looks when I pulled out the D3 & 70-200 lol
I was the only person in there taking photo's though...and got a few strange looks when I pulled out the D3 & 70-200 lol
This sort of thing has been well documented in the press in recent years. I just wish all you parents in this situation would grow a pair, get together and tell these teachers what to do with their plays if they persist with this crap and pull your kids out. Or ignore them en mass and all get your cameras out, which has happened already. All they need to do is state that if anybody is unhappy with having their child appear in somebody else's photo/video, then don't let them take part.
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I spent the past 2 afternoons videoing a nativities (albeit officially)...I didn't get one funny look and most parents were quite inquisitive about purchasing copies!
What happened to 'innocent until proven guilty'?
If we accept that there is a very very small percentage in the population as a whole who are a danger to children (and others) then why should everybody else be tarred with the same brush?
Do we ban everybody from using cars because someone's speeding? Punish everybody seems to be the philosophy that is immediately adapted when we mention children.
Look out there's a bloke with a camera. The dirty bleep bleep. Someone get a rope. Come on love, move along, nothing to see here. Just some fool with a camera that got lynched.
It really is starting to annoy me that we can allow this media assisted suspicion of a large number of good people because of the actions of a very small number of bad people.
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If we accept that there is a very very small percentage in the population as a whole who are a danger to children (and others) then why should everybody else be tarred with the same brush?
Do we ban everybody from using cars because someone's speeding? Punish everybody seems to be the philosophy that is immediately adapted when we mention children.
Look out there's a bloke with a camera. The dirty bleep bleep. Someone get a rope. Come on love, move along, nothing to see here. Just some fool with a camera that got lynched.
It really is starting to annoy me that we can allow this media assisted suspicion of a large number of good people because of the actions of a very small number of bad people.
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I photograph my kids plays every year, and video sometimes (except recently because the school video it themselves and sell it for a fiver a pop, which makes it easier for me 
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It *could* be that there is a child in there subject to a court order, hence the reason.
However, I think in that case, take the child out and let them contribute to the nativity in other ways, so as not to spoil it for everyone.
)It *could* be that there is a child in there subject to a court order, hence the reason.
However, I think in that case, take the child out and let them contribute to the nativity in other ways, so as not to spoil it for everyone.
There are apparently going to be some kind of pictures from the play available but they must have been taken during rehearsals.Most of the parents i know a lot of them since they were children. there has never been a problem with any of them taking pictures of other children playing with theirs at parties so on. The only pervs weve had in the area are both women ones in jail for theft the other keeps out of the way. Its a stange society we live in now the days of innocence are well dissapearing.
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Look on the bright side, it'll be the death of all those awful "Before they were famous" shows on the telly 
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I'd rather been hoping for a trip or fall for You've Been Framed!
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I'd rather been hoping for a trip or fall for You've Been Framed!
I always thought that show was going to be about the West Midlands Serious Crime Squad (allegedlly)
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Totally agree, this situation has gone way to far and is in fact becoming abusive to parents and families. :thumbsdown:
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Not too bad at my daughters school (she is 6) but you need a ticket
to gain entry & another to video or take pics.
Not knocking school photographers,but they can take pics of around
250 kids & you never no who they are.You only have the schools say
so that they are ok :shrug:
All seems a bit one sided to me.
to gain entry & another to video or take pics.
Not knocking school photographers,but they can take pics of around
250 kids & you never no who they are.You only have the schools say
so that they are ok :shrug:
All seems a bit one sided to me.
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Had my daughters last night, had no problems taking photo's.
I also went on a school trip as a helper earlier in the year weeks residential and all I gad to do was ensure any of the kids where parents had refused the use of the child's image for anything were not included in them, did prove a little difficult sometimes ensuring that those children did not realize that they were not included in any of the shots that I took
I also went on a school trip as a helper earlier in the year weeks residential and all I gad to do was ensure any of the kids where parents had refused the use of the child's image for anything were not included in them, did prove a little difficult sometimes ensuring that those children did not realize that they were not included in any of the shots that I took
Personally I think anyone attending an event of this nature, whether they be parents or anyone else should be CRB checked before entry. They should also be searched as several check points upon entry too. I can't believe schools are stopping short at just issuing tickets and a few rules and regulations. I'm very concerned that schools are so relaxed about these matters. Further more, I think that the fellow pupils should be CRB checked as well. Some children aren't nice to each other. I'm going to contact the media and my MP about this.
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I think we should just ban schools & allowing children to be seen full stop
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was dissapointed the weekend when i as a family we booked into see father xmas at the nature reserve, see all the animals feed them bit of lunch etc you know the routine. emily is 2.5 and wills is 6 months, after a nice chat with santa for about 10mins we had to leave, photos no problems (only point and shoot) i said to emily give santa a cuddle and we'll have a pic. apologetic as he and his helpers were its an absolute no no even with me and the wife there, aparently its to protect them from acusations from parents and such, he cant even hold her hand for a pic let alone emily stand by him leaning on him.
beside the point emily was devistated as she thought santa didnt want to cuddle her, we got round it sayig he had flu but not the best way to finish what was a perfect day.
shame how the minority has ruined it for the majority again ehh
beside the point emily was devistated as she thought santa didnt want to cuddle her, we got round it sayig he had flu but not the best way to finish what was a perfect day.
shame how the minority has ruined it for the majority again ehh
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Personally I think anyone attending an event of this nature, whether they be parents or anyone else should be CRB checked before entry. They should also be searched as several check points upon entry too. I can't believe schools are stopping short at just issuing tickets and a few rules and regulations. I'm very concerned that schools are so relaxed about these matters. Further more, I think that the fellow pupils should be CRB checked as well. Some children aren't nice to each other. I'm going to contact the media and my MP about this.
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I know you say this is jest, but I'm sure there is some statistic, like there are more pupils on the sex offenders list than parents. Your child is in danger of a sex offender, it's a class mate.
Oh I can't wait until Louis grows up, by then School plays will probably hve been banned as will all record of his growth and development for his mum and I to look back on as we get older. In fact contact with him will probably be limited by the state "just in case" and he'll probably be store in a secure facility until he reaches the age of 18.
Hang on a minute, given the amount of crying he did and the amount of sleep I didn't get last night.... where do I sign up?
Hang on a minute, given the amount of crying he did and the amount of sleep I didn't get last night.... where do I sign up?
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Thankfully when my kids were little non of this crap existed so I have all the shots of School plays,Nativity Plays,visits to Santa etc etc,sadly many of the kids growing up today will have none of this to look back on because of the PC madness generated under the rule of Zanulabour
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As the father of a school teacher please note that teachers are following the guidelines laid down by the school. Their personal opinions do not come into it. Teachers have enough problems trying to teach the charmless little herberts without a lynch mob of parents gathering because they cannot flash their superzooms
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I appreciate this BUT no photos of the normal things that generations have photographed in the past nativities and sports days etc is ridiculous, I do not blame individual teachers but the school, and it is the schools that need to understand that it is PC gone mad, I am sure that I read a post last year about parents not even being allowed in the hall and had to watch the play on tv screens, I will see if I can find the thread.
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We never got up to that sort of stuff, Your Honour, the stairs in West Midlands Police Stations are incredibly steep and notoriously slippery!I always thought that show was going to be about the West Midlands Serious Crime Squad (allegedlly)
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I would be very interested to read that thread, especially if it had a link to a news article confirming it.
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There is an alternative viewpoint ...
Cameras are prolific in our society and with every parent jumping up to take a picture of their child it becomes very distracting for the children and other parents. Take your pictures outside, or encourage the school parents association to arrange professional photographs for sale, the proceeds of which could go towards school activities or resources.
Cameras are prolific in our society and with every parent jumping up to take a picture of their child it becomes very distracting for the children and other parents. Take your pictures outside, or encourage the school parents association to arrange professional photographs for sale, the proceeds of which could go towards school activities or resources.
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I work with adults with learning disabilities. Because this group are classed as vulnerable adults, very similar, though not quite so Draconian rules are in place.
Due to "confidentiality", we have to get written consent from parents/carers before using photographs.
Last year I produced a calendar promoting all the activities within our service. I had quite a few people who wanted to appear in the calendar, but could not get consent from their parents/carers. These people were hugely disappointed.
The only way I could include shots with these people in them was to blur out their faces, which kind of defeated the object and ruined the look of the calendar.
I also have some very good shots that will never see the light of day.
BTW, the calendar was only to be sold within our service to help raise funds.
Political correctness has created a minefield.
Due to "confidentiality", we have to get written consent from parents/carers before using photographs.
Last year I produced a calendar promoting all the activities within our service. I had quite a few people who wanted to appear in the calendar, but could not get consent from their parents/carers. These people were hugely disappointed.
The only way I could include shots with these people in them was to blur out their faces, which kind of defeated the object and ruined the look of the calendar.
I also have some very good shots that will never see the light of day.
BTW, the calendar was only to be sold within our service to help raise funds.
Political correctness has created a minefield.
My sons school is fine no probs at all taking photos.
We have to sign a form at the beginning of each term agreeing that my child can be photographed and pics put on display in school and the newspaper.
If you object to that then that is fine but when a school play is put on your child may be excluded as to not spoil it for everyone else as the majority of parents are signing the form.
We have to sign a form at the beginning of each term agreeing that my child can be photographed and pics put on display in school and the newspaper.
If you object to that then that is fine but when a school play is put on your child may be excluded as to not spoil it for everyone else as the majority of parents are signing the form.
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Exactly... if you are part of the ridiculous minority of people who apparently object to photos being taken at childrens' Christmas (and other) concerts, then don't expect your child to appear. within it.
Sorted.
Damn this pathetic 'minority rule' - it's manifest everywhere in our society now.