Nikon Df....First images

Willo said:
Wex have the pre-order price up, £2749 with the 50mm. Doesn't do it for me, it's a DSLR in fancy clothes.
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Overpriced. The more I look at this the less it seems like a good camera, it is as you say, a DSLR in fancy clothes. Nikon couldnt even bother to go mirrorless and provide something new for a change. Makes the Sony look revolutionary at £1000 less!
 
twist said:
Overpriced. The more I look at this the less it seems like a good camera, it is as you say, a DSLR in fancy clothes. Nikon couldnt even bother to go mirrorless and provide something new for a change. Makes the Sony look revolutionary at £1000 less!
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don't forget with that you going to have the stupid, or early adopter 'tax' of paying full RRP. It will drop, thug I guess as this is going to be very niche not that far
 
boyfalldown said:
don't forget with that you going to have the stupid, or early adopter 'tax' of paying full RRP. It will drop, thug I guess as this is going to be very niche not that far
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Yeah, I also thought it wouldnt drop much. Even if they apply a generous £300 drop its still very expensive compared to lets say the D610/800. The A7 and a 55mm Zeiss lens is under £2300 and those are also launch prices, thats a £1k lens compared to a cheapo 50mm G.
 
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This really hits the spot for me. I've toyed with a move to Fuji this year as my D3s bodies are both starting to feel big and heavy for the way I shoot. These look great aesthetically to me and mean my existing lenses which I love will work. Small, light, fast (having spoken to someone who's used them) with the terrific D4 sensor also means my workflow remains pretty much intact.

Fabulous - odd choice of not selling body only notwithstanding.
 
Body only will come. Its offered as both options in the US so its only a matter of time here. My guess a week tops. The biggest advantage is lenses for this camera.
 
Hmmmmm was a little more expensive than I had hoped! Although when you take body only into account and the drop in retail it'll put it more into the D800 market perhaps afew hundred more. For that you're getting the D4 sensor though with the same supposed build quality and sealing of the D800. It would make a tough choice for someone with around £2k in the market for a FF body IMO. Do you go for the 800 with its 36mp sensor or the DF with its albeit less 16mp but awesome low light ability?

I'm assuming it is a D4 sensor, 16.2mp and ISO expandable to 204800?
 
andy1868 said:
Hmmmmm was a little more expensive than I had hoped! Although when you take body only into account and the drop in retail it'll put it more into the D800 market perhaps afew hundred more. For that you're getting the D4 sensor though with the same supposed build quality and sealing of the D800. It would make a tough choice for someone with around £2k in the market for a FF body IMO. Do you go for the 800 with its 36mp sensor or the DF with its albeit less 16mp but awesome low light ability?

I'm assuming it is a D4 sensor, 16.2mp and ISO expandable to 204800?
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It has the AF system from the D600 so it loses out there.
 
Compared to the Sony A7/r it looks over-priced, but it is going to be better supported with AF OEM lenses at the point of release. I know the Sony can take A-mount via an adapter but the Nikon at least won't have the compromised ergonomics if having to work with or without an adapter for AF. Then again, the Sony is looking to be the best placed FF camera from any manufacturer for using legacy lenses - it's just the system conversion costs for anyone with Canon/Nikon set-ups that will be the barrier to entry to the Sony (not many will want to go MF only, and those Sony-Zeiss FE lenses aren't cheap). I suspect most buyers of the Nikon will already own most of the lenses that they'll need/want.
 
redhed17 said:
I thought the cable release was quite funny. :lol: Is that really a worthwhile nod to the past? :shrug: :bonk:
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It was one of the selling points of the X-Pro1 for me, being able to use the same cable release that I use on my film cameras (ok, not the T90) which cost a few quid as opposed to shelling out £20 or more on an OE remote release. And a cable release doesn't need batteries.
 
I'm a bit disappointed with it really. It looks cool but I was expecting an interchangeable mirrorless job, I don't need any full frame cameras as I've got a TLR or two for that and I'm more than happy with my D7100.
What I really want is a digital camera that you can shoot in mono with (but not at the price of a Leica Monochrom).
 
Awesome camera, but priced so high its not going to be in most peoples xmas list. Im a little disturbed, Nikon are releasing new models that make no sense to me. Whats needed is a Pro style Dx body and a replacement for the D700, A D800 body with that D4 16mp sensor would make alot more sense to alot more people than this lovely as it is niche Df camera.
 
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I must say, I was looking forward to this but now ive seen it im slightly disappointed. I guess I didnt really know what to expect but it looks big, bulky and ugly; like a normal DSLR which just looks different i.e. no real change in form factor (that I can see).
The physical dials are great and I love these from my X100, especially the ISO dial! This is a big thing ive wanted on my X100 for ages but its countered by the fact theres no aperture dial which to me, is really disappointing. Same applies to actually having a PSAM dial, why not have auto as an option on every dial? Also, theres a screen which tells you the aperture, shutter speed, etc....why? If you can see the screen you can see the shutter speed dial, if not then im sure the back screen would suffice. The screen and PSAM dial take up just under half of the space on the top-right and it looks quite cramped.

If money was no object, would I buy one? Yes of course, I think it looks great and im sure it takes great photos. One thing I dont like about DSLRs is how much people are put off by them, someone sees you with a DSLR and they try and dodge you or give you funny looks or get out of your shot. With this though I think its much less intimidating, so long as you dont stick a giant zoom on it :P
 
surfg1mp said:
Awesome camera, but priced so high its not going to be in most peoples xmas list. Im a little disturbed, Nikon are releasing new models that make no sense to me. Whats needed is a Pro style Dx body and a replacement for the D700, A D800 body with that D4 24mp sensor would make alot more sense to alot more people than this lovely as it is niche Df camera.
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This. We are still waiting for a D300 type replacement - The 610 should have been a more pro body too.

I really dont see the market for this? Sure, if you have the £££ then its fine, but for most of us its something we wont be entertaining. It looks interesting and pretty good, although agree the styling is a bit hit and miss, and could also do with an aperture ring. But aside from looks, why would you get one at the expense of say a D610 or D800. Body only the D610 will be approx. £1k cheaper and has the same AF, and the D800 will be £500 or so cheaper and have better AF and MP.

For me, its at least £1k overpriced.

Also feel the digital display spoils the top view. It should be more like an older camera with a digital inner than a mix and match design.
 
Priced in the US at $2,749, that's not bad at £1,713.


Oh no wait, UK price is £2,749, that's $4,412!!!


Nikon just love to insult their UK market don't they.


As I have family in the US, I think I'll wait for their price to drop or for a round of rebates there and get one through them, perhaps, but over here at that price the only thing Nikon UK are going likely get from me is a whole load of swear words.
 
Me² said:
Priced in the US at $2,749, that's not bad at £1,713.


Oh no wait, UK price is £2,749, that's $4,412!!!
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I do wish people would compare like with like, UK prices generally include VAT which makes up £458 of this. US prices generally don't include sales tax, still more expensive over here, but a lot closer
 
simonblue said:
Dont expect it to come down a lot in price soon,it was never going to be a mass market camera
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Agree with this, I don’t think Nikon will drop the price as it’s a niche product which will sell in small amounts. Probably destined to live in a glass cabinet with limited edition Leica’s.
 
I dont think its fair to compare it to the Sony A7/7R as they just dont have the lens range to go with their new bodies, in fact I think its just the kit lens so far and thats it until next year and even then their lens map is quite limited, especially in the pro/fast glass range.

The Nikon has the whole Nikon range that it can use.

Love the styling, just what I've always wanted and I've been banging on about wanting a physical ISO dial for ages, but its to heavy for me and of course just a lottery dream at that price.
 
I'm a little bewildered as I've not really looked into this release properly. How does this Df compare to the D610, D800 or any other FF body in the same price bracket?

At first I thought it was like an M9 but it's far from. I get the impression that Nikon are double releasing atm.
 
magicaxeman said:
I dont think its fair to compare it to the Sony A7/7R as they just dont have the lens range to go with their new bodies, in fact I think its just the kit lens so far and thats it until next year and even then their lens map is quite limited, especially in the pro/fast glass range.

The Nikon has the whole Nikon range that it can use.

Love the styling, just what I've always wanted and I've been banging on about wanting a physical ISO dial for ages, but its to heavy for me and of course just a lottery dream at that price.
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I know a lot of people are online are trying to compare,two different completely not even in the same market :)
 
Willo said:
Agree with this, I don’t think Nikon will drop the price as it’s a niche product which will sell in small amounts. Probably destined to live in a glass cabinet with limited edition Leica’s.
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I doubt you will find one in many shop that you can even have a play with,its just not a mass market product :)
 
simonblue said:
I doubt you will find one in many shop that you can even have a play with
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To reinforce this point, I popped over to my local LCE (Southampton Civic Centre) at lunchtime and chap there said that only Nikon Pro dealers will have the Df, which is 4 out of 28 branches. That branch is one of them though so I'm going back next week to see if I can have a fondle. And play with the camera.

He also told me that he's taken pre-orders for 2 bodies already!
 
Strappy said:
To reinforce this point, I popped over to my local LCE (Southampton Civic Centre) at lunchtime and chap there said that only Nikon Pro dealers will have the Df, which is 4 out of 28 branches. That branch is one of them though so I'm going back next week to see if I can have a fondle. And play with the camera.

He also told me that he's taken pre-orders for 2 bodies already!
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The problem is theses day Nikon don't supply even pro dealers model to have a play with,they come in all nicely boxed in ready to sell :):eek:
 
That thing is fugly. Nikon button/switch overkill that is missing the simplicity that could be had with such a camera. Only the digital Leica M cameras have every really carried it off. I think you are probably best admitting that DSLR cameras are ugly and functional and getting on with it!
 
simonblue said:
The problem is theses day Nikon don't supply even pro dealers model to have a play with,they come in all nicely boxed in ready to sell :):eek:
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I'm surprised at that, they've had a D800e on the shelf before and that's similarly restricted (apparently). And there's no way I'd spend nearly £3k on a camera without getting it out of the box in the shop!
 
boyfalldown said:
I do wish people would compare like with like, UK prices generally include VAT which makes up £458 of this. US prices generally don't include sales tax, still more expensive over here, but a lot closer
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It's still not a fair comparison as that's body against a kit but even so adding in VAT brings the difference to $1100 so the original point of it being a huge mark up for the UK stands.
 
simonbarker said:
It's still not a fair comparison as that's body against a kit but even so adding in VAT brings the difference to $1100 so the original point of it being a huge mark up for the UK stands.
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you're still missing US sales tax, which retailers over there quote without....not the same agreed, but a hell of a lot closer then made out
 
My first 35mm SLR was a Nikon and even though when going digital I went with Canon I've always followed Nikon developments and I have an admiration for them but I just don't see this camera ever registering on my radar... Sorry Nikon.

Its party trick seems to be its retro look and I just don't know if I'd ever pay more just for that.
 
I'm just going to get an FE to scratch my itch, stick an old 50mm on it and a roll or two of film and have a fully manual experience and the FE version looks a hell lot more retro than the Df.
 
Me² said:
Priced in the US at $2,749, that's not bad at £1,713.

Oh no wait, UK price is £2,749, that's $4,412!!!

Nikon just love to insult their UK market don't they.
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boyfalldown said:
I do wish people would compare like with like, UK prices generally include VAT which makes up £458 of this. US prices generally don't include sales tax, still more expensive over here, but a lot closer
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Yeah, but no, but ...

There is something very strange about the way Canon and Nikon deal with the UK market compared to the US market. Over there, the launch price sticks. Over here, the launch price is inflated and it drifts down over time after the just-have-it-at-any-price brigade have filled their boots.

Fairly recent example: Canon 24-70mm f/2.8 Mk II.
* Launched in February 2012 IIRC at US$2299 (excl sales tax) and £2299 (incl VAT). Strip out VAT and import duty, convert at £1=$1.58 (as was then), and the UK price comes out to be about 23% higher.
* Currently still US$2299, but over here it's down to £1809. Take off VAT and import duty, convert at £1=$1.60 (as is now) and the prices are almost identical - the UK price is about 2% cheaper on this basis.

So why is that? I think they're just being opportunistic over here, but why doesn't that happen in the US?
 
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