Official Fuji X-Pro 2 thread

jojo90 said:
I'll post here what I posted on the f16.click site:

After reading this review it's certainly tempting to grab the X-Pro2.... but then again I bought my X-Pro1 for £699 with 2 lenses and the leather case, I've since sold the two lenses so the body & case only really cost me £350, I later picked up a grip from eBay for around £25, the 16mm 1.4, 23mm 1.4, & 35mm 1.4.

It looks like the Pro2 is retailing at £1,350 with used Pro1 bodies going for peanuts (£200-£250). Personally I also just picked up a mint full frame RX1R & EVF for £1,250....

I think most people would be far better served getting / keeping the Pro1 and investing the money instead in additional lenses, or something fun like say the RX1R, maybe an A7 + some legacy glass, etc. Hell get a 2nd hand Hasselblad XPan!

It doesn't mean I don't WANT one, just that at this price it really isn't worth it to me. Maybe if it was round the £800 mark I'd sell the Pro1 and make up the difference.

TL;DR : Too expensive, while I wish my Pro1 was the Pro2, I haven't missed any shots with the Pro1 to date.
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Depends what you shoot. The Pro-1 AF is lousy for anything moving.
 
Nice to see that they've upped the max raw ISO. The previous lower upper raw ISO limit was one stumbling block for me.

Nice to also see a max mechanical shutter speed of 1/8000.
 
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lets be honest the x2 pro looks good I wont be changing my a7ii or a7r ii for it but I'm glad the Fuji sensor is improving as was a fan in my x100s when I owned it I'm personally more excited for the x70 :)
 
owenb said:
lets be honest the x2 pro looks good I wont be changing my a7ii or a7r ii for it but I'm glad the Fuji sensor is improving as was a fan in my x100s when I owned it I'm personally more excited for the x70 :)
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No and I wouldn't swap my lowly A7 for one but for many the APS-C format is very attractive and if I was going to have just one camera system it just could be APS-C.
 
The23rdman said:
Depends what you shoot. The Pro-1 AF is lousy for anything moving.
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Agreed, but for £1350 you could pick up something that had much better AF for moving targets, if that is one of your key requirements. I'm happy the Pro2 is there, and I do want one, but with T1s going for £500, Pro1s going for £250, £1350 seems waaaaaaaaay too much. It's just not £1000+ improvement over my Pro1.

The colour simulations are great, but noting VSCO can't do. AF is fine on the Pro1 & the Pro2 won't be anywhere near my OM-D.

I'd rather spend the £1k on a photography holiday or photo books...
 
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jojo90 said:
Agreed, but for £1350 you could pick up something that had much better AF for moving targets, if that is one of your key requirements. I'm happy the Pro2 is there, but with T1s going for £500, Pro1s going for £250, £1350 seems waaaaaaaaay too much.
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Opening rrp is a nonsense for early adopters. It'll soon drop.
 
The only thing that is slightly puzzling me, is that now the Evf's are so very good, does it really still need the expense and complication of an optical Vf.
Before I bought my X30, which is now a generation back Evf wise, I thought optical finders were essential, now all I notice is their disadvantages. I am, I suppose, thoroughly converted.
But I suppose this is the wrong time to start a wish list.
It is what we all do though.
 
Would be interested t see the battery life, quite a big drawback of the X cameras, but nevertheless, I'd expect to have one of these by later this year
 
Terrywoodenpic said:
The only thing that is slightly puzzling me, is that now the Evf's are so very good, does it really still need the expense and complication of an optical Vf.
Before I bought my X30, which is now a generation back Evf wise, I thought optical finders were essential, now all I notice is their disadvantages. I am, I suppose, thoroughly converted.
But I suppose this is the wrong time to start a wish list.
It is what we all do though.
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If the XPro2 came out without an OVF there would have been an absolute s*** storm.

A hybrid viewfinder is something for everyone and they've got the technology down to a T. To not include it would have been suicide IMO.
 
chrism_scotland said:
I had thought they might be able to squeeze more juice in there but without a bigger battery I'm not sure what can be done, its an issue for all mirrorless though, not just the Fuji's, the A7ii uses juice very quickly too.
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Though you hardly need a bandolier of batteries slung across your shoulder, two or thee in a pocket or pouch, serves about any days shooting.
 
UaeExile said:
If the XPro2 came out without an OVF there would have been an absolute s*** storm.

A hybrid viewfinder is something for everyone and they've got the technology down to a T. To not include it would have been suicide IMO.
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I am sure you are right, but one day the question will become a serious one. Just as will a tiltable or even detachable wifi Back screen.
 
Terrywoodenpic said:
I am sure you are right, but one day the question will become a serious one. Just as will a tiltable or even detachable wifi Back screen.
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It will but I'd be surprised if Fuji were in a hurry to push the market that way. It's one of the things that make them different and everyone else (to me at least) just seems to be faking classically designed cameras.
 
Terrywoodenpic said:
Though you hardly need a bandolier of batteries slung across your shoulder, two or thee in a pocket or pouch, serves about any days shooting.
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Absolutely, Id say 3x is probably more than enough, I was just making the point that its a mirrorless issue not a Fuji one.
 
The23rdman said:
Opening rrp is a nonsense for early adopters. It'll soon drop.
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I just checked online, brand new X-Pro1 + 2 lenses & leather case.... £499. Sorry but it's going to have to come down a hell of a lot to outweigh that as one of the best bargains around in photography.

As an aside after reading all of the X-Pro2 reviews I was convinced my Pro1 was a bag of turds resigned to history and probably broken.

I grabbed it, turned it on, and .... it still takes photos... ! and they are still as great as the reviews say!

Catastrophe avoided.

I'm off to book flights to Marrakech at a fraction of the price to upgrade, I'll post the pics on here with my Pro1 :D.
 
jojo90 said:
I just checked online, brand new X-Pro1 + 2 lenses & leather case.... £499. Sorry but it's going to have to come down a hell of a lot to outweigh that as one of the best bargains around in photography.

As an aside after reading all of the X-Pro2 reviews I was convinced my Pro1 was a bag of turds resigned to history and probably broken.

I grabbed it, turned it on, and .... it still takes photos... ! and they are still as great as the reviews say!

Catastrophe avoided.

I'm off to book flights to Marrakech at a fraction of the price to upgrade, I'll post the pics on here with my Pro1 :D.
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I refer you to me previous answer regarding AF performance. A camera is only a bargain to me if it can keep up with kids.
 
The23rdman said:
I refer you to me previous answer regarding AF performance. A camera is only a bargain to me if it can keep up with kids.
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I really don't think the X-Pro series is aimed at sports/kids photographers. If that's what you need I'd recommend anything by Nikon, Canon, or m4/3.
 
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jojo90 said:
I just checked online, brand new X-Pro1 + 2 lenses & leather case.... £499. Sorry but it's going to have to come down a hell of a lot to outweigh that as one of the best bargains around in photography.

As an aside after reading all of the X-Pro2 reviews I was convinced my Pro1 was a bag of turds resigned to history and probably broken.

I grabbed it, turned it on, and .... it still takes photos... ! and they are still as great as the reviews say!

Catastrophe avoided.

I'm off to book flights to Marrakech at a fraction of the price to upgrade, I'll post the pics on here with my Pro1 :D.
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Every occur to you the XPro2 thread might not be for you? :D
 
I'm wondering how fast is the AF on the X-Pro 2. Can't see them on the videos posted on this thread.
 
UaeExile said:
Every occur to you the XPro2 thread might not be for you? :D
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I'm probably just a luddite, still happy with my Hasselblad XPan II, Contax G2, Rolleiflex, OM10, Ricoh GR, RX1R, etc... or maybe as a result of owning all that stupid stuff I'm just way past the point of thinking that dropping £1.3k on a new body that offers 5% increase in 'performance' over what I already have is going to increase my 'mad photography skillz'.

ymmv.
 
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jojo90 said:
I'm probably just a luddite, still happy with my Hasselblad XPan II, Contax G2, Rolleiflex, OM10, Ricoh GR, RX1R, etc... or maybe as a result of owning all that stupid stuff I'm just way past the point of thinking that dropping £1.3k on a new body that offers 5% increase in 'performance' over what I already have is going to increase my 'mad photography skillz'.

ymmv.
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You're right. Definitely doesn't sound like a good buy for you.

Look forward to your Marrakech pics.
 
twist said:
As APSC advancements are made so are FF, same gen smaller sensor wont match same gen and most of the time previous gen FF. Depends on wether that matters to the user or not.
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Not everyone wants a ff sensor.
Not everyone thinks they're better.

Many professional photographers shoot m4/3 or aps-c, I bet there are a few on here even :)

The XPRO2 is not for me, I'm waiting for the XE3 :) but its typical how this looking down on others seems to be a constant theme of the photography world. First it was the LF film shooters looking down on the MF film shooters looking down on the 35mm film shooters. Then we had film looking down on the digital. Now it seems its starting all over again.

Its even more boring than the Canon Nikon rivalry
 
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jakeblu said:
Not everyone wants a ff sensor.
Not everyone thinks they're better.

Many professional photographers shoot m4/3 or aps-c, I bet there are a few on here even :)

The XPRO2 is not for me, I'm waiting for the XE3 :) but its typical how this looking down on others seems to be a constant theme of the photography world. First it was the LF film shooters looking down on the MF film shooters looking down on the 35mm film shooters. Then we had film looking down on the digital. Now it seems its starting all over again.
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Hence my final comment in that quote. I know that. The fact is, they offer better performance, end of. It's up to the user wether they require that or not.
 
Looking forward to release date.

If nothing else, we'll get photos and first thoughts rather than bitching and jealousy :rolleyes:
 
twist said:
Hence my final comment in that quote. I know that. The fact is, they offer better performance, end of. It's up to the user Wether they require that or not.
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If they offered better performance why don't all pros shoot with them. Why would they restrict their artist output by using a lower performance sensor.
 
jakeblu said:
If they offered better performance why don't all pros shoot with them. Why would they restrict their artist output by using a lower performance sensor.
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Okay, please show me an apsc that outperforms a ff sensor, both current gen. Iso, dynamic range, megapixels etc.
 
twist said:
Okay, please show me an apsc that outperforms a ff sensor, both current gen. Iso, dynamic range, megapixels etc.
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I asked a question first :ROFLMAO:
 
jakeblu said:
I asked a question first :ROFLMAO:
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But that's user dependant, people shoot with whatever they want, which ive already said :rolleyes:. The fact is you get better performance from a current gen full frame sensor than a current gen smaller sensor. Unless you can show me facts that prove otherwise.
 
Full frames are not inherently better than Aps. Not all sensors are equal. Not all camera makers achieve equal results even from the same sensor.
Camera design and other qualities can have a greater influence over achieving the necessary quality and results than sensor size alone.

professionals chose a camera and system that is best for them and the work they wish to undertake. This may entail having a wide range of different cameras and lenses in their armoury.

The maxim "bigger is better" has always been a partial statement, and always needs to add in what way, and for what.
It also always comes with inherent downsides.

It would seem that the Fuji Xpro2 is an outstanding camera for its particular niche , including reportage and social photography. It achieves this partly by paying little heed to the design needs of other specialities.

However it is, for all that, an excellent allround performer that will also suit less specialised users. Particularly for those needing an easy carry, inconspicuous, and very high quality camera system.
All at a cost well below that of top range Nikon, Canon or Leica marques.
 
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