Official Fuji X-Pro 2 thread

Full frames are not inherently better than Aps. Not all sensors are equal. Not all camera makers achieve equal results even from the same sensor.
Camera design and other qualities can have a greater influence over achieving the necessary quality and results than sensor size alone.

professionals chose a camera and system that is best for them and the work they wish to undertake. This may entail having a wide range of different cameras and lenses in their armoury.

The maxim "bigger is better" has always been a partial statement, and always needs to add in what way, and for what.
I also always comes with inherent downsides.

It would seem that the Fuji Xpro2 is an outstanding camera for its particular niche , including reportage and social photography. It achieves this partly by paying little heed to the design needs of other specialities.

However it is, for all that, an excellent allround performer that will also suit less specialised users. Particularly for those needing an easy carry, inconspicuous, and very high quality camera system.
All at a cost well below that of top range Nikon, Canon or Leica marques.

But I was talking purely sensor performance, of course there's more to it than that. But in that sense ff is better, wether certain people like it or not.

A cost well below? I think you are mistaken. This camera is priced in the upper bracket challenging ff prices esp when you start considering equivalent lenses and system costs.
 
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I was actually quite anxious to see if this would made me leave my dslr. But I don't think so

I'm kind of disappointed that fujifilm doesn't have a rangefinder camera

It is a bit annoying there are no "affordable" new rangefinders available but the market is probably to "niche" to be viable as people demand "features" these days rather than simply a camera to take photos with.

At the moment you are pretty much limited to epson rd1 and leica m8 if you want a digital rangefinder body under £1k
 
Liking this a lot and could be tempted to move over from my XT1 or keep the two :) but I am hoping they have not used the same cheap soft rubber skin that is prone to wear on the XT1.
 
XP2 order placed, will be trading in my X-T10 but keeping the X-E2 as a backup (I would have done this the other way around if not for the firmware update). Will swap my 35mm F1.4 for the F2 at the same time as I am heading around Alaska in May so the weather-proofing will be handy.

Very excited, feels like Christmas all over again!
 
I was actually quite anxious to see if this would made me leave my dslr. But I don't think so

I'm kind of disappointed that fujifilm doesn't have a rangefinder camera

Isn't rangefinder shooting very restrictive?

Personally, been there done that and wont be going back. There are too many things I'd miss about the more flexible camera systems. I certainly couldn't see myself living with a RF as my only camera.

It is a bit annoying there are no "affordable" new rangefinders available but the market is probably to "niche" to be viable as people demand "features" these days rather than simply a camera to take photos with.

My problem with RF's is there's just too many pictures they can't take.
 
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Okay, please show me an apsc that outperforms a ff sensor, both current gen. Iso, dynamic range, megapixels etc.

Whilst ISO & Dynamic range are relevant mega pixel count isn't, its iQ that counts and once you have a decent 16mp APSC sensor anything above that is eating into its low light performance whilst adding just a little extra resolution, either way its the output from the sensor combined with the processing engine that matters. To be honest ~Fuji's mk 1 sensor in the X-Pro produced better iQ than the mk 2, lets hope the mk3 sensor has eradicated the problems with the mk 2 sensor ( especially the over smoothing issue) and has the same or better magic that the mk 1 sensor has.

I was actually quite anxious to see if this would made me leave my dslr. But I don't think so

I'm kind of disappointed that fujifilm doesn't have a rangefinder camera

The X-Pro's are a completely different beast to a DSLR, a lot of people don't realise that until they buy one then complain it doesn't do this or that, its not fast enough (its not meant to be ! ) or it doesn't have enough automation (its not meant to! ) then sell up and switch back.
The whole ethos of the X-Pro was to get photographers back to using cameras as they used to and putting the photographer back into the camera rather than just hitting a button and letting the camera do all the work for you.

As for rangefinder? The problem with rangefinder mechanisms is the need to be very precise and as with any mechanism that finely tuned it doesn't take that much to knock them out of calibration, Hence producing one would also mean needing the local workshop facilities, trained technicians & equipment for each country as well as the service infrastructure, simply put they aren't cost effective and technology has moved on a long way, in fact one of the manual focusing aids on the mk 2 & 3 Fuji sensors is a digital version of the rangefinder patch where the image appears split and comes together as you focus, so you could say using this focus aid along with for instance a MF M mount lens would give you the digital version of the range finder experience, something you won't get elsewhere , not even on a Leica!
 
The old saying comes to mind, it's not how big it is, it's how you use it that counts...

I regularly get images from my X-Pro 1 published in printed magazines so for me the XP2 is a welcome addition and I will buy one when prices settle, I moved from Nikon FF to Fuji some time ago and love the system and the whole ethos it brings.

I tried the latest Sony's and they are not for me especially the cost of the kit as it is up in Canon & Nikon territory
 
But that's user dependant, people shoot with whatever they want, which ive already said :rolleyes:. The fact is you get better performance from a current gen full frame sensor than a current gen smaller sensor. Unless you can show me facts that prove otherwise.

In my original post I didn't argue that one was better than the other, but that the argument was becoming less and less relevant.
 
Well i am actually trying to move from a very big chunky DSLR that the D3300 nikon is for me, to a camera that actually connects me better with what i photograph. LEica is without a doubt an option for me specially the M6 since i love film. But if we have to talk about digital, i have so many doubts. I would love to have a rangefinder. I am used to manual focus and that's not a problem to me, so...

But still, i look at fuji's glass and cameras line up and it makes me think if a xt-10 is enough or not. I actually love that camera. However i dont see advantages on going for the xpro1 or 2.

What to you guys think ? Do you think the EVF on Xt-1 is that much better than the xpro 2?
 
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Well I'm convinced and placed a pre-order. Looking at the sample images it looks like the output of the new sensor should easily match my expectations and the other improvements should make this a cracking bit of kit to use.
Finally it appears that the usability and handling of the X series will be combined with an image sensor which is more up-to-date than the older 16mp one, I just hope that I can get one in early February before I go on holiday to Prague!!!
 
Well I'm convinced and placed a pre-order. Looking at the sample images it looks like the output of the new sensor should easily match my expectations and the other improvements should make this a cracking bit of kit to use.
Finally it appears that the usability and handling of the X series will be combined with an image sensor which is more up-to-date than the older 16mp one, I just hope that I can get one in early February before I go on holiday to Prague!!!
Have to admit those sooc jpegs look pretty amazing for apsc. Looks like this one is going to level the FF vs apsc argument. Resolution of a D810 with Fuji processing. May well be an a6000 sensor, but Fuji know more about tuning pictures than Sony ever will. Can't wait to see the raws and independent reviews.
 
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I think the release date is late Feb, BH has it listed as the 25th. Enjoy Prague either way, beautiful place :)
 
Have to admit those sooc jpegs look pretty amazing for apsc. Looks like this one is going to level the FF vs apsc argument. Resolution of a D810 with Fuji processing. May well be an a6000 sensor, but Fuji know more about tuning pictures than Sony ever will. Can't wait to see the raws and independent reviews.

Given the reviews are talking about fantastic DR and high ISO, I suspect like others that this is actually a far more modern sensor, possibly based on the one used in the Nikon D7200 or D5500.

Looks very impressive either way! :)
 
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As for rangefinder? The problem with rangefinder mechanisms is the need to be very precise and as with any mechanism that finely tuned it doesn't take that much to knock them out of calibration, Hence producing one would also mean needing the local workshop facilities, trained technicians & equipment for each country as well as the service infrastructure, simply put they aren't cost effective and technology has moved on a long way, in fact one of the manual focusing aids on the mk 2 & 3 Fuji sensors is a digital version of the rangefinder patch where the image appears split and comes together as you focus, so you could say using this focus aid along with for instance a MF M mount lens would give you the digital version of the range finder experience, something you won't get elsewhere , not even on a Leica!

I have heard discussions about rangefinder adjustment and I think the need to adjust is exaggerated - I have not yet seen a camera with a "digital" rangefinder patch - presumably it would require an evf rather than an optical viewfinder to work? For me the main appeal of rangefinder focussing is they do not require an evf
 
I have heard discussions about rangefinder adjustment and I think the need to adjust is exaggerated - I have not yet seen a camera with a "digital" rangefinder patch - presumably it would require an evf rather than an optical viewfinder to work? For me the main appeal of rangefinder focussing is they do not require an evf

As said the Fuji's have it and yes you need an EVF or rear screen , the X-T1, X-E2, X-E2s, X-Pro2 & I believe the X100T all have that feature as a manual focusing aid.
 
Which ever way you want to label it it's still a rangefinder camera and you will get parallax error using an optical viewfinder, unlike a SLR or DSLR.
 
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Ok, we'll agree to disagree :0)

If you like, but if it's not a rangefinder camera in your opinion what do you think it is then ? - you still haven't said !!

If 'Rangefinder style' is your answer then that's just semantics !!
 
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If you like, but if it's not a rangefinder camera in your opinion what do you think it is then ? - you still haven't said !!

If 'Rangefinder style' is your answer then that's just semantics !!

No its not just semantics, my post was never meant to indicate that the X-Pro range are any thing other than range finder style CSC cameras, which is exactly what they are, but to state that they have the ability to mimic the range finder experience with one of their manual focus assist modes, i.e. split screen mode places a range finder like patch on the image and splits the image within that patch allowing you to manually focus by aligning the split sections of the image, this is very similar to the way a true range finder focuses, this however is all done via digital processing, there is no range finder mechanism in the camera.
A camera can however only be designated a range finder if it uses a mechanical range finder focusing mechanism and this limits us to just two makers of digital camera's that have a true range finding mechanism, i.e. the Epson RD series and of course the Leica's.
 
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I think it's a CSC like all the other mirrorless cameras. It just happens to have its EVF on the top left to fit in with its styling. I don't see how it's semantics when a true rangefinder has a dual image viewfinder that's not interlinked with the through the lens view hence the view is wider than the lens so you can see more of the scene either side.

Fuji are just tapping into the retro market like Olympus do with their mirrorless cameras. An Olympus OMD has a pentaprism hump and looks a bit like an SLR but that doesn't mean it is one or gives the same experience.

If the other poster wants a rangefinder camera they need to look elsewhere but if they like the rangefinder styling then the XPro is probably the best mirrorless option.
 
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Rangefinder refers to the focus mechanism, which the Fuji simply doesn't have. What rangefinders share with the Fuji, however, are aspects such as the viewfinder & ability to see 'outside' of the frame. I find this incredibly useful while shooting. My personal preference is the viewfinder on the camera's left for two reasons, firstly it's more ergonomic for my face, and secondly I can (with the OVF ideally) keep both eyes open and trained on the scene. It's a lot more than 'retro styling' to me.

I've used plenty of real rangefinders and some are better than others, I don't think the Fuji will ever manually focus as well as those simply because focus is by wire. It's a shame because if Fuji brought out some mechanical focus lenses (I know we can use adapted ones) then I think the focus aids (such as peaking, or the OVF/mini LCD preview) would be close or dare I say better than rangefinder focusing.

Randomly I was looking at DigitalRev's review on the Leica M240 where they popped on a f0.95 50mm. Essentially the only way they could achieve critical focus was with the EVF. This hybrid approach is where a lot of cameras are heading.
 
Really undecided on this. Been out with the X-T10 and 56mm today (great combo) and can't help but feel that it does everything I need.

The talk of excellent DR and higher ISO capability sound pretty good however, but I don't know if it's worth the ££ for me over my X-T.
I do miss the XP1s form however.

I'm trying to avoid G.A.S. Perhaps I'll wait until I can have a play with one...
 
Sounds like you are already beating yourself up over it! :) You don't have to buy it! :) Apart from treats, generally you buy equipment when you identity a gap in your current line up, or something that will improve performance. They'll be around for a while and will just get cheaper... No rush! :)
 
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Well I'm convinced and placed a pre-order. Looking at the sample images it looks like the output of the new sensor should easily match my expectations and the other improvements should make this a cracking bit of kit to use.
Finally it appears that the usability and handling of the X series will be combined with an image sensor which is more up-to-date than the older 16mp one, I just hope that I can get one in early February before I go on holiday to Prague!!!

Very temped as well :)
 
Really undecided on this. Been out with the X-T10 and 56mm today (great combo) and can't help but feel that it does everything I need.

The talk of excellent DR and higher ISO capability sound pretty good however, but I don't know if it's worth the ££ for me over my X-T.
I do miss the XP1s form however.

I'm trying to avoid G.A.S. Perhaps I'll wait until I can have a play with one...

If it's shiny and arrives in a nice box to open up, then it will make you feel that you're taking better photos at least! That's my excuse!

Adam
 
Very temped as well :)

I'd like to see some more full-size samples I think, particularly of the stuff I tend to shoot (landscapes and architecture) before I make a firm decision, it would be cheaper for me to buy another Sony A7ii and I don't have any "unknowns" with image quality or processing there.. but I can't deny that theres a certain "pull" of Fuji and despite the slightly higher body price (around £200 with the cash back off of the A7ii just now) theres a much more readily available supply of the used Fuji primes I'd want available.

It might end up coming down to when the XP2 is actually available, if its early Feb as was mentioned a few times prior to launch (I even saw Jan 22nd mentioned as a UK date in one of the reviews) then its likely I'll go for that, but with me going away in mid-Feb it might end up being another Sony.... decisions decisions! Damn Fuji and their new camera!!!
 
I've been told just now that the XP2 is arriving "early Feb" in New Zealand so only a few weeks away hopefully :)
 
Really undecided on this. Been out with the X-T10 and 56mm today (great combo) and can't help but feel that it does everything I need.

The talk of excellent DR and higher ISO capability sound pretty good however, but I don't know if it's worth the ££ for me over my X-T.
I do miss the XP1s form however.

I'm trying to avoid G.A.S. Perhaps I'll wait until I can have a play with one...

To be honest, everyone should be undecided until they've at least had a chance to play around with one. Especially for RAW shooters who need a closer look at the files before pulling the plug on a very expensive upgrade.

When I get the money together I'll probably pick one up. I've had the 16mm and 56mm sitting in a draw with no body to put them on for six months!
 
Have to admit those sooc jpegs look pretty amazing for apsc. Looks like this one is going to level the FF vs apsc argument. Resolution of a D810 with Fuji processing. May well be an a6000 sensor, but Fuji know more about tuning pictures than Sony ever will. Can't wait to see the raws and independent reviews.
Resolution of a D810 might be pushing the hyperbole a little.
 
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