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    Hi, for a final verdict of my ZEISS Biogon 4,5/21 on the M9, I went to Oppenheim/Rhein (all f 8):


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    No problems in church buildings with red limestone tiles ... ;)

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    So, the ZEISS Biogon 4,5/21 will go back to its place in a rear corner of my cupboard... ---

    Of course, the question comes up how it will behave on the new "heavy metal mirrorless" bodies from Nikon, Canon, Pana or Sigma. For me, this is less relevant because I have 2 good 21mm lenses for the M9, the Skopar and the Elmarit.

    (For the SONYs, I have the 21mm Loxia.) The Biogon is not worth the effort of buying another body ...
     
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    Hi, LEITZ (LEICA) Tele-Elmarit 2,8/90 - M 9:

    f 8:

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    f 2,8:


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    f 8:


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    This Elmarit was part of my M6 "starter kit" in 1988. It is very compact, and good. The original rubber lens hood fell apart over the years, however.

    So, now I take the metal hood prod.# IUFOO (zero, zero), which is robust, but a little cumbersome ...
     
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    Hi, VOIGTLÄNDER Super Wide-Heliar 4,5/15 V1 screw-mount - M9 - not recommended !!!. Here is why (all f 8):


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    You might ask, why I have it. - I bought it years ago, when it came out with a VOIGTLÄNDER Bessa body for film, and with an adapter for my M6. In those days, Leica did not have a 15mm lens.

    Another question, why do I keep it. - It works nicely on SONY APS-C bodies (NEX-3, NEX-5, NEX-6), making "pocket-cameras", and on the A7R2 with the SONY lens-correction app.

    V3, which I shall also show, does not work as well on the SONYs (but of course on the M9).

    Ah, before I forget ... Why do I show it here? - It has a very reasonable used-price, which might be tempting to some ... --- ;)

    ((P.S.: How to fix colour shift in the corners with cornerfix:

    https://jasonhowe.blog/aperture-pri...oigtlander-super-wide-heliar-f4-5-asph-mk-1-3 ))
     
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    [​IMG]End of the Night by Adam Bonn, on Flickr

    (Yet another) taken with the 7artisans 50mm F1.1...

    I wish I had more fast M glass experience to be able to rate this optic... (it's starting to make me want a 50 1.4 'lux I can tell you that!)

    For the £250 it cost me secondhand (off here actually) I'm certainly not complaining.. but my HUNCH is that the Zeiss 1.5 and the VL 50 F1.1 are going to be better for lots of % more money, but not that much actual money in terms of Leica-land (obviously the ASPH 1.4 Lux is lots and lots and lots more money)

    IIRC one of the amazon reviewers rates the 7a 50 more than a modern 50 'cron (which I have) and personally I'm really not convinced by that...

    I think if you pixel peep the 7a you'll soon see why it's a cheap lens, but being a bit more real world with your viewing distances (as one should be IMO) it's a nice enough rendering, but I find the 50 'cron to be a lot more vivid and contrasty...

    Still, I bought the 7a to be able to shoot the M9 in places that previously the lack of ISO combined with subject stopped me (like when things move in the dark) and too that end it's been a very well spent 250.

    It's been on the camera more than I thought it would and I'm glad to have it

    Hate the clickless aperture ring though it has tangible barrel distortion (which LR's 0.95 Noctilux profile mostly gets rid of) and wide open it colour shifts and vignettes like you're drawing the curtains! At 1.4 these flaws diminish somewhat if you're pretty liberal and tolerant about such things... and it's usable

    (there's rumours, which I'm sure you've seen, of a 7a 28mm 1.4 coming next year... I'll admit I'm curious and I don't own this FL, so....)

    EDIT:
    BTW ISO 640, 1/45 whilst walking and it was after 2am and I was a bit drunk when I took this (it was my birthday), beer must be the IBIS of the old days :D :D
     
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    Hi, these thoughts come and go (until they come again).

    With lenses - as with other goods - the principle of diminishing returns applies, meaning a car for 100000 € is not a hundred times better than a used one for 1000 €. And a car with 500 hp will not take you five times faster
    to your destination compared to one with a mere 100 hp ...

    Lens design always is a compromise. - Owners say, the LEICA Summicron 2/50 ASPH is the best Leica 50mm lens (and they had all before). On the other hand, it is slower than the Noctilux, which is heavier and more difficult to focus,
    so the Summilux might be a better compromise, but this is not as good as the Summicron ASPH ...

    To get out of this loop, could be to ask oneself, which one's favourite focal length is. If it is 50mm, then one should buy the best 50mm (according to personal criteria) one can afford ...
     
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    Hi, VOIGTLÄNDER Super Wide-Heliar 4,5/15 V3 (current version) - M9 (all f 8):


    L1011432_DxO-f-v152c_bearbeitet-1.jpg



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    That's very true re diminishing returns, for example the M9p isn't 10x the image making tool that my X-Pro1 is, despite that being the price difference (both bought second hand)

    I think my draw to the ASPH 1.4 50mm is that originally I was going to get that (and that alone) to go with the M9p, but in the end, (and for not that much more) I was instead able to get the 35/90 'rits and 50 'cron

    The Lux desire lingers a bit.... but I feel I chose wisely (despite the words Leica and budget seldom going together, I am very much on a budget), the 90 rit is (IMO) a great lens, the 35 I use frequently and the 50 cron is more than enough for most things, so for me, 3 lenses is better than one, even if that one has an extra stop!

    In many ways the 7artisans was a great choice for me, as it offers (guestimate) about 1.5* more stops, than the cron which really opens many more possibilities for the M9. By contrast the 50 1.5 Lux would cost 10x and offer less light gathering, and the far higher IQ (over the 7a) gets lost when SS gets too low or ISO gets too high :)

    (*I know it's listed as F1.1, but my HUNCH is that it's more like 1.2 irl)

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    90mm Summarit 2.4
     
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    Hi, I can fully understand your decision. - I started with 2 Leica lenses in 1988, the 35 Cron and the 90 Tele-Elmarit. - And over the years, my portfolio grew ... ---

    Fortunately (or unfortunately) I am not financially restricted when it comes to photography equipment.

    So, what do I do to control these recurring GAS-attacks?

    I keep everything I buy, never sell anything. So, cupboard space ultimately limits purchases. And the more you have, the more difficult it becomes to buy new toys offering real progress ...

    I am no equipment bag carrier. Usually, I know where I am going to take pictures and take a body with one lens (sometimes one in a pocket) with me.

    For me, the more lenses I have, the more I must leave at home ... :(
     
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    Hi, the last instalment of my lens series: LEICA Elmarit-M 2,8/90 E46 - M9:

    f 2,8:

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    f 8:


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    The Elmarit-M is a good lens, too. However, the R version is a little better. This explains why the new "heavy-metal" mirrorlens cameras from Nikon, Canon, Panasonic have a new bayonet with a bigger diameter. ---


    First of all, thank you for your friendly patience. - Maybe, others will show pictures with their higher end Leica lenses here, too.

    I think it is good to go through one's equipment now and then, to see how the lenses perform, and perhaps what is missing ... ---

    For me, the "rehabilitation" of the VOIGTLÄNDER Skopar was a nice surprise. ---
     
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    I think the current 50/f2 is the best value for money sharp lens, it’s very sharp. I have a 50/f1.4 which is that much bulkier. In the sun this weekend I just used the 35/f2.
    I had a 90/f2.8, refurbished, and loved it, my son has stolen it. I now have the 90/f2, which is better but much bigger.
     
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    Ever reliable 35/f2 at f2, 50% crop.

    [​IMG]
     
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    Hi,

    ad1) lensrentals compared many M mount 50s: https://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2014/06/comparing-rangefinder-and-slr-50mm-lenses-version-0-7/ The Summilux performs better than the Summicron.

    ad2) My Summicron 35 is my favourite 35 ...

    ad3) There is always a price to be paid for some extra performance. --- The 2/90 should isolate subjects more, suppose ...
     

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