Over 70's to be asked to self-isolate - how will you pursue your hobby?

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Current news and comments from the Health Secretary Matt Hancock indicates that the over 70's will be asked to self-isolate in the immediate future.
Clearly there is need for serious action in the current scenario worldwide but it's going to be a struggle not going out for possibly months.

I thought it could now be an opportunity to review some images from previous years and see what I can do now to improve them.
I'm not a great 'indoor' photographer so can't see myself doing 'objects' in the home or anything like that.

So if you are over 70, what will you be doing to pursue your hobby whilst in isolation ... give me some suggestions please. :)
 
jerry12953 said:
Surely it should still be possible to go on solitary works locally? Have they clarified that?

(Not 70 yet but getting there.......)
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Nothing is clear yet, there is clearly a mix of healthcare & politics.
The virus has been confirmed in our city and in the surrounding counties and they say that the 'confirmed' numbers are the tip of the iceberg.
Even out alone there can be the possibility of coming into contact just by the things we do as a matter of course/habit without even thinking. Was shopping with SWMBO couple of days ago and we agreed a regime of using hand sanitiser before entering supermarket and when leaving and avoiding hands on faces (as advised) while we were in there ... half way around I noticed she had her pen in her mouth!
From my observations few people are really treating it seriously in the sense of taking preventative action, except for stripping supermarket shelves!
 
Bobsyeruncle said:
I've got a big lens and plenty of windows :LOL:
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More time to play guitar, I regularly entertain residents of care homes, we have had numerous cancellations of our planned gigs. I haven't been to Tesco's for about a week, I'll need to shop in a few days time, assuming there will be some things for me to buy! but with the Governments proposed restrictions on 70 year olds, I'm 75, I suppose I just play music for my own amusement until I die of starvation, or is that the overall plan, to reduce the drain on the National pension liability. Perhaps I should create a photo or video diary of my demise for posterity.
 
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I'm not 70 yet but probably in a higher risk category, I'd jump in the car and go out in to the country by myself and go where very few men (and women) have gone before (after filling up at a 'pay at pump' lol).
 
gramps said:
Current news and comments from the Health Secretary Matt Hancock indicates that the over 70's will be asked to self-isolate in the immediate future.
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Let me add some clarity that the (English) media always overlook - it's the ENGLISH Health Secretary Matt Hancock - it doesn't follow that the other devolved administrations will automatically follow the lead (see prescription prices, hospital car parking, etc).

In fact the Scottish Chief Medical Officer has already distanced herself from the idea of completely socially isolating the over 70s. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-51898288 - remarks backed up by Scotland's National Clinical Director View: https://BANNED/jasonleitch/status/1239158887540043777
all echoed by the Scottish Health Secretary:

The message was echoed by Health Secretary Jean Freeman who said older people would be asked to cut down but not totally eliminate direct contact with others.
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That's almost like joined up government!

Further, it seems that in NI they're edging towards agreeing with the Republic on an all-Ireland strategy.

Just leaves Wales who appear to be in thrall to Westminster even though they have control over health (and public health) as a devolved matter.
 
Got them for sale on e!"£ for £120 each (glove not pair) +£10 p&p. lol
 
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hunnymonster said:
Let me add some clarity that the (English) media always overlook - it's the ENGLISH Health Secretary Matt Hancock - it doesn't follow that the other devolved administrations will automatically follow the lead (see prescription prices, hospital car parking, etc).

In fact the Scottish Chief Medical Officer has already distanced herself from the idea of completely socially isolating the over 70s. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-51898288 - remarks backed up by Scotland's National Clinical Director View: https://BANNED/jasonleitch/status/1239158887540043777
all echoed by the Scottish Health Secretary:
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Unbelievable ... Scotland not agreeing with Westminster! :LOL:
 
Never crossed your mind that the Westminster government might be wrong about anything ever? Scottish government is nowhere near perfect, but I can grab my MSP in the street for a chat. Despite my MP officially living in the same town (of 1700 people) nobody I know has seen him locally since before the 2015 election. Never saw my MP in person ever when I lived in England.

I'm no SNP fan - but the longer I live in Scotland (15 years now) the more alien England seems to me (culturally, socially, politically,...) every time I go back to see family (typically once or twice a month)
 
Not 70 yet, but for many 70's they only way they can shop is by going out, many also still work. Then theres those with other younger family members living at home. Isolating isn't that simple.
Same as the plan to have care home staff stay in the home, most simply dont have any spare room for them to stay.
These ideas look good on paper but are not thought through.
I'm assuming all our over 70+ politicians and royals will be staying home?
 
hunnymonster said:
Never crossed your mind that the Westminster government might be wrong about anything ever? Scottish government is nowhere near perfect, but I can grab my MSP in the street for a chat. Despite my MP officially living in the same town (of 1700 people) nobody I know has seen him locally since before the 2015 election. Never saw my MP in person ever when I lived in England.

I'm no SNP fan - but the longer I live in Scotland (15 years now) the more alien England seems to me (culturally, socially, politically,...) every time I go back to see family (typically once or twice a month)
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I'm not at all political so I have nothing to do with MPs or politics but medically speaking I know where I would rather be. :)
 
gramps said:
I'm not at all political so I have nothing to do with MPs or politics but medically speaking I know where I would rather be. :)
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Having recently experienced NHS on both sides of the border as a user, me too. I suspect we're on opposite sides on that one.
 
swanseamale47 said:
Not 70 yet, but for many 70's they only way they can shop is by going out, many also still work. Then theres those with other younger family members living at home. Isolating isn't that simple.
Same as the plan to have care home staff stay in the home, most simply dont have any spare room for them to stay.
These ideas look good on paper but are not thought through.
I'm assuming all our over 70+ politicians and royals will be staying home?
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Problem is that there is no ideal solution and the virus doesn't care about boundaries, location or nationality ... what is known is that over 70's are much more vulnerable to a fatality.
 
gramps said:
So if you are over 70, what will you be doing to pursue your hobby whilst in isolation ... give me some suggestions please. :)
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I had assumed that isolation doesn't mean lack of mobility but rather avoiding mixing with the general population - right now I don't feel too bothered about travelling in a car and tramping about in the great outdoors. It's a solitary activity. OTOH taking public transport and mixing with people in closer proximity in urban areas is something taht is now out of my comfort zone.
 
We have just been talking about this.
My daughter has a friend with elderly parents, she still lives at home and they are over 70
So they stay in isolated and she goes out to work, socialising etc and then returns home.
Nowhere else to live, so how does that work?
 
Dryce said:
I had assumed that isolation doesn't mean lack of mobility but rather avoiding mixing with the general population - right now I don't feel too bothered about travelling in a car and tramping about in the great outdoors. It's a solitary activity. OTOH taking public transport and mixing with people in closer proximity in urban areas is something taht is now out of my comfort zone.
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Self-isolation means staying indoors and completely avoiding contact with other people.
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Of course anyone can ignore it if it is introduced but penalties may be adopted, as is the case in some other European countries.
 
hunnymonster said:
Having recently experienced NHS on both sides of the border as a user, me too. I suspect we're on opposite sides on that one.
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Mixed bag. Depends where you live (both sides of the border). And what you need.

At this time Scotland is perceived to be a bit less resilient than England & Wales due to lower ratio of intensive care beds to population.

But I suspect you could roll the dice if making a decision to be in any part of the UK right now.
 
tijuana taxi said:
Nowhere else to live, so how does that work?
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I don't think anything changes in this case. Over 70s are going to be asked to stop going out to reduce their risks of contracting the virus. There is already advice on how "less at risk people" should be behaving if they are in contact with the elderly or people with health issues.

So, I would have thought many people are already working out how they deal with the problem.
 
gramps said:
Of course anyone can ignore it if it is introduced but penalties may be adopted, as is the case in some other European countries.
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In context my comment about isolation was meant in respect of over 70s with no symptoms. That's about self protection.

The situation with self isolation for those with symptoms is different. And that may need strong enforcement.
 
I haven't changed my habits very much. I just get on with life, there so much crap reported in the press and spouted by politicians , the truth is somewhere out there amongst the miss information
 
steve_lyt said:
I haven't changed my habits very much. I just get on with life, there so much crap reported in the press and spouted by politicians , the truth is somewhere out there amongst the miss information
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There's some hard truth in Italy and some from China in medical reports coming out - from doctors and not politicians. The figures for the over 70s and for males in particular are a warning that there is no room for any complacency on this.
 
myotis said:
I would have thought many people are already working out how they deal with the problem.
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I really wish I shared your confidence.
Still have to sort my photography plan ... may need to replace & restock my garden feeders (mail order of course :) )
 
Dryce said:
There's some hard truth in Italy and some from China in medical reports coming out - from doctors and not politicians. The figures for the over 70s and for males in particular are a warning that there is no room for any complacency on this.
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I read that the risk of death to the general population is around .02%-.04 whereas over 65 is 8%-14%.
Remember the Dr in China who first discovered the virus died and he was 39.
 
gramps said:
I really wish I shared your confidence.
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Maybe its more hope than confidence, but I would have hoped that people living with elderly parents would have already been following good practices in terms of reducing the risks of bringing the virus to their parents.
 
gramps said:
I read that the risk of death to the general population is around .02%-.04 whereas over 65 is 8%-14%.
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Be careful with your decimal point.

It seems to be under 1% for people under 50 and about 1% for those between 50 to 60 and then increases a lot over 70 to 8%+.

The figures have varied - the trouble is that we don't know hoiw many infections have gone unreported.. The problem is that testing is used mainly to confiirm cases that present themsleves as opposed to people who may be getting over it by themselves.


Remember the Dr in China who first discovered the virus died and he was 39.
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Do you not mean the one who was accused of whistlblowing ... not who discovered.
 
If you don't know how many people have got it, just the number of deaths how can you work it out?
 
Dryce said:
Be careful with your decimal point.

It seems to be under 1% for people under 50 and about 1% for those between 50 to 60 and then increases a lot over 70 to 8%+.

The figures have varied - the trouble is that we don't know hoiw many infections have gone unreported.. The problem is that testing is used mainly to confiirm cases that present themsleves as opposed to people who may be getting over it by themselves.
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Indeed the figures vary ... it's a fast changing scenario.

Dryce said:
Do you not mean the one who was accused of whistlblowing ... not who discovered.
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No, I read both.
 
tijuana taxi said:
If you don't know how many people have got it, just the number of deaths how can you work it out?
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They are saying the number known is around 20% of those actually infected ... though no doubt Dryce has other stats. ;)
 
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