People like this **** me off

Have you seen these sights that let you get a free web address etc. Someone should just copy his entire site, change the title and upload it just to annoy him.
 
scottcampbell said:
Grr... Speaking to an owner of a small news website right now who seems to believe that every image is free if you can right click on it. Some selected quotes below. What does everyone think?

"It's a free country, what's stopping me using widely used images?"

"Get a grip, they're not going to prosecute a small website using images that are free to copy and paste - there's no right click disable on their website so what's stopping me? Some ****** copyright law"

"When I take photo's, I don't care who uses it"

"Say I take photo's for the Times, then the times pay me for it and people take it off the times website. Am I losing out?"

"Then there's the Associated Press All images from them are FREE"

Argh.
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Ask him to take a read of this!!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/news/2010/04/100413_yoghurt_et_sl.shtml
 
I would bring this up with someone like BAPLA.
 
karmagarda said:
Depends if you're using them for comercial use or not. If you do infact make some money off your website (I haven't delved into it to try see), then you have to pay for any images unless people allow free for all use.
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There's a great big Domino's Pizza Ad on the front page. That means it's a commercial site.
 
Subscribe to the Picture Agencies if you want imagery - Reuters, Getty, PA et al - that's what they're there for.

Can't afford it?
Tough - see you in court if any of mine appear there.
 
Fresh Politics said:
That's fine Yoby. Bear in mind I'm young, and on £40 a month. What should I use for my images of mainly politicians?
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Draw some cartoons of them, or ask their office if they have stock photos you can use.

Sadly being young or having limited budget does not get around the law.

£ 40 a month will not buy much in the way of legal advice if someone does decide to sue you.
 
Fresh Politics said:
That's fine Yoby. Bear in mind I'm young, and on £40 a month. What should I use for my images of mainly politicians?
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Perhaps you ought to use something like iStockphotos for stock images that tell the story or Photoshelter for more "hard news" style images.

If you want image content without hefty legal bills you need to pay...either a little (istock) or a lot (photoshelter). The one thing you cannot do is steal. You do that, and you WILL be found out.

Say you rip a picture from The Times...that's a News International publication, owned by Rupert Murdoch...do you think they won't have picscout or something similar to find unauthorised use? Do you think they'll ignore you when they find you? No, they'll rinse you for all you've got...and they should.

Do it right...do it legit...pay for it. Or it'll bite you on the a*se...and there'll be plenty of people (here and elsewhere) who'd make sure of it.
 
jamesb84 said:
...The one thing you cannot do is steal. You do that, and you WILL be found out....
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He already has been - that why this thread is being discussed - and if we found it, betcha ass someone with no qualms about crushing him will have too...
 
cowasaki said:
Have you seen these sights that let you get a free web address etc. Someone should just copy his entire site, change the title and upload it just to annoy him.
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Good idea, I was tempted to do that as I have my own webspace, but then thought I would also be stealing the images! :rules:
 
Arkady said:
He already has been - that why this thread is being discussed - and if we found it, betcha ass someone with no qualms about crushing him will have too...
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As someone mentioned, the small claims court fee is only £30 and you can file online.
 
Fresh Politics said:
To clarify, if any photographer contacted the site requesting their image be removed then I would happily comply.
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Is this not like taking back the stolen goods if you get caught?

It's people like this that make me want to not publish photos online.
 
scottcampbell said:
As someone mentioned, the small claims court fee is only £30 and you can file online.
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Go ahead - get pro photographers less support by trying to sue the young lad who made the article using the photo you question Scott. That's fine by me.
 
The fact everyone here is telling you that you will land face down in the dirt if you don't comply to the laws tells me a lot about you as a person.

You WILL get prosecuted, you WILL get fined, you WILL lose your website, you WILL have a criminal record.

If those risks are outweighed by the benefits of your website/blog then continue by all means... it will not affect me in anyway shape or form.
 
realspeed said:
Get a proper job then.

Realspeed
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Not that I am sticking up for him but isnt he in high school and the same age as Scott? 15? Anyway hopefully this has educated him a bit, have to have tough skin if this is the business he wants to go into!
 
I was out earning at 15 as an apprentice electrician with a 48 hour week minimum and often doing a 60 hour week due to the work requirements. That was the norm back in those days, I did night school twice a week with day release once a week, as well often leaving home at 6am and getting home from night school well after 10 pm and only 16 years old. So I still say GET A PROPER JOB
Realspeed
 
cwinhall said:
The fact everyone here is telling you that you will land face down in the dirt if you don't comply to the laws tells me a lot about you as a person.

You WILL get prosecuted, you WILL get fined, you WILL lose your website, you WILL have a criminal record.

If those risks are outweighed by the benefits of your website/blog then continue by all means... it will not affect me in anyway shape or form.
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Please read the thread, I won't because it's not my article. ;)
 
realspeed said:
I was out earning at 15 as an apprentice electrician with a 48 hour week minimum and often doing a 60 hour week due to the work requirements. That was the norm back in those days, I did night school twice a week with day release once a week, as well often leaving home at 6am and getting home from night school well after 10 pm and only 16 years old. So I still say GET A PROPER JOB
Realspeed
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:thinking: Ok great. 40 quid is alright for someone in high school (if said poster is) but I am not going to argue about it. Just pointing out that this person may still be on a very young learning curve.
 
If I take photo's from the Beeb then is it stealing, given the public pay their photographers wages?
 
Fresh Politics said:
If I take photo's from the Beeb then is it stealing, given the public pay their photographers wages?
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Yes it is stealing. You couldn't steal photos from the Guardian just because you buy their paper (or just walk out of Tescos with it under your coat)
 
Fresh Politics said:
If I take photo's from the Beeb then is it stealing, given the public pay their photographers wages?
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That's like saying you shouldn't pay a TV license because "HEY! I PAY THEIR WAGES". While we're at it let's scrap the dole, sack all the police, and hey, burn the hospitals!

Dude, stop being a plank. If I took your articles and used them on my site without telling you, you're telling me that's perfectly fine?
 
Chris said:
All I have to say is this...

"Copyright © 2010 Fresh Politics. All Rights Reserved.
Magazine Basic theme designed by Themes by bavotasan.com.
Powered by WordPress."

I look forward to making your work my own and posting it on my website! How does it go? Oh yeah Copy and Paste ;-)

Chris
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Blighty Andy said:
Then you're breaking intellectual copyright laws. There's a lot more hard work that goes in to research for an article than clicking a button.
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Chris said:
You may find that a lot more hard work goes in to taking the right image than clicking a button so does the same not apply? Or do you still question the statement "Copied an image from google to a word document? You have broken copyright law"
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Blighty Andy said:
I didn't write this article, so it's not my statement. But that is true.

Of course article's will also be more meaningful and take more time to write (good ones) then taking a photo. A photo for an article is just the eye candy.
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The latest updates from here could be entertaining!
 
cowasaki said:
Yes it is stealing. You couldn't steal photos from the Guardian just because you buy their paper (or just walk out of Tescos with it under your coat)
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You guys like metaphors, don't you? The last metaphor - walking out of tesco - makes no sense. We're all forced to pay licence fee, and as such pay the wages of the people that work for the Beeb - so as a public channel, why isn't their content public?
 
karmagarda said:
That's like saying you shouldn't pay a TV license because "HEY! I PAY THEIR WAGES". While we're at it let's scrap the dole, sack all the police, and hey, burn the hospitals!

Dude, stop being a plank. If I took your articles and used them on my site without telling you, you're telling me that's perfectly fine?
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Pfft now you're just getting silly. Sure let's scrap the dole for people who can work. Why would we burn hospitals? Bit extreme, don't you think?

If you took my articles and linked to me as the original source then I'd be fine.
 
Fresh Politics said:
You guys like metaphors, don't you? The last metaphor - walking out of tesco - makes no sense. We're all forced to pay licence fee, and as such pay the wages of the people that work for the Beeb - so as a public channel, why isn't their content public?
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The beeb pay royalties to the originator of image material and continue to do so while they use it, so should anyone else who wishes to use it also do the same? Kind of dismisses your argument?
 
Fresh Politics said:
Pfft now you're just getting silly.
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Actually, I'm not really. But I know it's a dead end arguing this point so I'll just let you get caught or something instead of giving you advice.

Fresh Politics said:
If you took my articles and linked to me as the original source then I'd be fine.
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That's called Creative Commons that I spoke of before. And further to that point, I haven't seen one photo on your site where you've credited the original photographer.

Anyway, I'd say good luck but I'd be lying. You've done a hell of a job promoting your site in this thread! :LOL:
 
Fresh Politics said:
A photo for an article is just the eye candy.
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Chris said:
"A photo for an article is just the eye candy"

A picture say a thousand words, and by that definition could be construed as more value than the short text that attempts to expand upon it?
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As we speak (type) I plagiarise his site, will we get in to trouble? :nuts:
 
I wonder if your hosting provider will share your view.
http://www.pcsmarthosting.com/termsofservice.php states:

"Acceptable Use

You are not permitted to use your service, account or server provided by the supplier to:

- Store, distribute or link to material which you do not have authorization to do so. This includes but is not limited to Copyrighted Multimedia, Pirated or "Nulled" Software and Scripts."
 
realspeed said:
I was out earning at 15 as an apprentice electrician with a 48 hour week minimum and often doing a 60 hour week due to the work requirements. That was the norm back in those days, I did night school twice a week with day release once a week, as well often leaving home at 6am and getting home from night school well after 10 pm and only 16 years old. So I still say GET A PROPER JOB
Realspeed
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..and when was that? I'm sorry but there just isn't that option these days.. apprenticeships (and decent ones at that!) are INCREDIBLY difficult to get, and very few and far between. European law now says young workers (15-18) cannot work a 40 hour week for seconds..

Yes, the OP shouldn't be stealing images.. but to compare a modern youth to what I presume is your experience of old is ludicrous and ignorant. Don't get me wrong.. I'd love to see kids out working and learning their trade, but it just doesn't happen like that these days and I know. Since I left school 8 years ago I've seen friends go into every position from police man, to electrician, from pilot to plumber..
 
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