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can someone explain to me what the problem is because im confused :shrug:
i notice puddleduck has been "spoken to" over this and have noticed a fair few posts around the net rearding the police being involved and questioning people taking pictures in public places.
i can understand if people are at a childrens play area taking photos of other peoples children without permission or covertly taking pictures of them or taking pictures of strategic government sites etc but taking photos of the street you live in???
how can google be allowed to map all our streets and fronts of our houses etc and get no crap for it?

my tv is mounted on my wall and can be seen through my front window so if it catches anyones eye walking past am i supposed to call the police because they may be casing the joint?
 
Voyager said:
Can you? For what reason?
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yes i can
i would not like it without my permission
i would want to know why they were taking pictures of my children and for what reason and i think any responsable adult would also want to know as well.
i would want to know what they were going to be used for wouldn't you?

so if a stranger started taking photos of your children without asking you while they were playing in a park you wouldn't mind??
 
shaggy said:
yes i can
i would not like it without my permission
i would want to know why they were taking pictures of my children and for what reason and i think any responsable adult would also want to know as well.
i would want to know what they were going to be used for wouldn't you?
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Presuming they are in a public place it is really none of your (or my) business.
shaggy said:
so if a stranger started taking photos of your children without asking you while they were playing in a park you wouldn't mind??
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Why should I?
 
shaggy said:
sorry but i dissagree
its is my business and i would continue to believe its my business until i was satisfied
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Is it a public place?

Then it is not your business. The The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for the Home Department said in parliament only last year -
People have the right to take photographs in public places for legitimate reasons and we will do everything we can to uphold that right.
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shaggy said:
because not all people are good!
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So what?
 
So Paedos in a public place can photograph children, that's ok:shrug:
 
This could be fun.............:naughty:
 
BRASH said:
See, I mention Paedos and who pops up????:LOL::LOL::LOL:;)

How are yeh fella?
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Get stuffed you wazzock.............:LOL::LOL::LOL:

I`m fine mate, be up in May,drop me your number willya.
 
Voyager, I would challange you if you where taking photos of my kids in a public park (unless of course you had kids there in the same shot). I think you are just trying to be difficult here, Shaggy is clearly asking what is the problem with with the public taking pictures in public places when google can without any issues.


Michael.
 
fracster said:
Get stuffed you wazzock.............:LOL::LOL::LOL:

I`m fine mate, be up in May,drop me your number willya.
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Seems to me some folk have had a sense of humour bypass:nono::shrug::shrug::D;)
 
stressless said:
Voyager, I would challange you if you where taking photos of my kids in a public park (unless of course you had kids there in the same shot). I think you are just trying to be difficult here, Shaggy is clearly asking what is the problem with with the public taking pictures in public places when google can without any issues.


Michael.
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Well said(y)
 
BRASH said:
Seems to me some folk have had a sense of humour bypass:nono::shrug::shrug::D;)
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I can`t bypass summat i`ve never had..................:D
 
BRASH said:
So Paedos in a public place can photograph children, that's ok:shrug:
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Well actually, yes it is - distasteful though it may be, they're not actually committing an offence, unless they are breaching a court-order for previous offences...

Just because he or she has paedophile tendancies, the act of photographing children in a public place is not an offence. You and other parents might not like it, but there it is.

Distributing them on child-porn sites is - but here we're only talking about the taking of photos in public, not the dissemination of the material.
 
stressless said:
Voyager, I would challange you if you where taking photos of my kids in a public park (unless of course you had kids there in the same shot).
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You might well do that of course, but what do you imagine you could do about it?
stressless said:
I think you are just trying to be difficult here, Shaggy is clearly asking what is the problem with with the public taking pictures in public places when google can without any issues.
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Quite clearly Shaggy states that questioning people he thinks might be taking photographs of children in a play area is 'understandable'.

I'd suggest that once you have accepted that - you are a big step closer to accepting that all photography in public places is questionable.

That is not something I want to accept, so am challenging his opinion.

I have also posted some evidence in support of my position and he (and you) so far have not.
 
I think you would want to see a demonstrable reason for taking pictures of your kids.

I had a bloke approach in the woods and ask if it was ok to take a pic of my 11yr old daughter swinging on a rope swing. He explained he was from an amateur camera club.

It did feel slightly odd, but I gave my permission. I think it would be more odd if he just started shooting!

We have to sort out emotions out on the subject as I don't think we really know how to react in all honesty.

Perhaps it's more the fact that it is unusual and not something many of us have come across before. We are not used to strangers interacting with us these days.

Graham
 
Oh god not another one....

People have differing opinions, some parents would be ok with it, others not. No-one can decide who is right or who is wrong as everyone is entitled to thier opinion. In the eyes of the law, technically the photographer is doing nothing wrong but some parents dont like it and you have to respect thier opinion because it thier kids.

If we all thought the same the world would be a pretty boring place.........
 
stressless said:
Voyager, I would challange you if you where taking photos of my kids in a public park (unless of course you had kids there in the same shot). I think you are just trying to be difficult here, Shaggy is clearly asking what is the problem with with the public taking pictures in public places when google can without any issues.
Michael.
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thanks

Voyager said:
Quite clearly Shaggy states that questioning people he thinks might be taking photographs of children in a play area is 'understandable'.
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now that is NOT what i said is it?


Voyager said:
I'd suggest that once you have accepted that - you are a big step closer to accepting that all photography in public places is questionable.

That is not something I want to accept, so am challenging his opinion.

I have also posted some evidence in support of my position and he (and you) so far have not.
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as for you challenging my opinion well thats up to you and i will not be changing it any time soon!
i do feel you have dissected my original post to get a rise from me and wind the situation up!
what i said was...i can understand if people are at a childrens play area taking photos of other peoples children without permission or covertly taking pictures of them
and yes i can see why parents would get upset!
and yes if you came to the park i was in with my children or grandchildren i would want to know the reason behind you pointing your camera at them whether you are within your rights or not.



corbystock said:
& not all people are bad :nono:
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im not saying they are!


now back to the original question i asked.......
just how can google be allowed to do (on a national level) what they have.
did any of the drivers of the photo cars ever get stopped or questioned?
 
Arkady said:
Well actually, yes it is - distasteful though it may be, they're not actually committing an offence, unless they are breaching a court-order for previous offences...

Just because he or she has paedophile tendancies, the act of photographing children in a public place is not an offence. You and other parents might not like it, but there it is.

Distributing them on child-porn sites is - but here we're only talking about the taking of photos in public, not the dissemination of the material.
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It might be ok in Germany, but I can assure you there are various offences under Scots Law, which are/can be committed by the taking of unsolicited photographs of children in public. Take that as fact, from one who knows a fair bit about the law (from the right side - mostly;) up here.
 
Google are on the "public" highway and as such are photographing no more than a pedestrian or motorist would see.

If you don't like it you can always have Google remove your house. Of course it could be said that all the burglars casing street view might well get more interested in the blanked out properties.
 
shaggy said:
now back to the original question i asked.......
just how can google be allowed to do (on a national level) what they have.
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Because, as I and others have been trying to point out, Google and anyone taking pictures in a public place are doing nothing wrong. You are allowed to take pictures in a public place.

Some people (and clearly some police officers) think they know different though. They are wrong.
 
BRASH said:
It might be ok in Germany, but I can assure you there are various offences under Scots Law, which are/can be committed by the taking of unsolicited photographs of chilkdren in public. Take that as fact, from one who knows a fair bit about the law (from the right side - mostly;) up here.
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Scots law is subservient to European Law unless I missed something.
I'm English and the stuff we're mostly concerned with is happening in England.
 
Arkady said:
Scots law is subservient to European Law unless I missed something.
I'm English and the stuff we're mostly concerned with is happening in England.
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There are some huge fundimental differences between Scots, English and European Law. Far too complex to go into on here. There are however Statues which are complicit in both Scotland and England (The Road Traffic Act 1988, The Misuse of Drugs Act 1971 for example). Scots Law is only subservient to European law in certain matters not all (Human Rights legislation being the most common) and there are a number of both Common Law crimes and Statuatory offences in Scotland, which are/can be comitted by taking unsolicited pictures of children. That's a fact.

That said, forgetting the child issue, in general terms, taking pictures in public places is not illegal in Scotland but there are some circumstances in which it can be. Also fact.
 
OK...accepted - so if I took an unsolicited photo in a public place in which children appeared I'd be in breach of those laws?
That's even scarier than what we're having to contend with 'darn sarf'...


Still doesn't get around the fact that in England it's not against the Law for a paedophile to take photos of children (or anything else) in a public place unless he/she's been convicted of other previous offences...
Until they actually do something wrong, they're just like everyone else - innocent.
 
I'm going to support Voyager on this one, even though they may be provocative in their replies, they have already explained the challenge to your opinion.

You asked why doesn't Google get in trouble for taking street view images whereas photographers around the country are regularly stopped for carrying out their business in a lawful manner? It is because of people's attitude towards photographers. One may assume they have certain rights, such as the right to challenge a photographer who is taking images of them or their children in a public place, some people may attempt to assert this right by contacting the police and therefore the photographer is stopped by a constable or PCSO responding to an incident.

It is not only when dealing with children and vulnerable groups, but also when around certain areas accessible to the public. Banks, landmarks and other areas where private security firms are present have seen photographers stopped by police because they have been alerted to suspicious individuals.

Under British law, the photographer has done nothing wrong if they are taking photographs in a public area and the act of challenging one may be an offence dependant on how the challenge is made.
 
shaggy said:
how can google be allowed to map all our streets and fronts of our houses etc and get no crap for it?
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Because Google has a market value of $150 Billion and more than enough to sue the ass off the police for wrongful arrest.
 
I have seen many Victorian/Edwardian/ 20's/30's/40's etc. etc pictures of kids playing in the street, begging and even working. These have been pics in books and in museums. The photographer(s) captured history of the way we lived in those times. There have always been Peados and always someone want to capture photos, doesn't mean that the person capturing photos is a p****.

The biggest problem these days that, probabably due to the WWW, it has shown us there are a lot of peados about, and that digital photos are the best way of showing images on the WWW. So, therefore anyone taking pics of children must be a Peodo????

Probably, if you read some of the tabloids. But I'm sure most photographers are just capturing moments in time, like they have always done in the past.

We are on the verge of losing our history in photographs if this paranoia remains.
 
Well being into photography I would walk over and ask him what equipment hes using.... Then ask him to delete the photos if any of my children.... If he was actually taking photos... he could just be photographing the scenery....
 
QUOTE=Joel Roberts;2514191]Well being into photography I would walk over and ask him what equipment hes using.... Then ask him to delete the photos if any of my children.... If he was actually taking photos... he could just be photographing the scenery....[/QUOTE]

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No. ;):LOL:
 
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