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Story here on the BBC website: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41314418
I'd have thought his lawyer should have appealed on the grounds of traumatic shock and questioned why he was in court within 72 hours? Most minor offences take weeks to go to court.
But you get images of corpses in warzones plastered everywhere for people to gloat over,, photograpgers even win awards for them. Go figure.
But you get images of corpses in warzones plastered everywhere for people to gloat over,, photograpgers even win awards for them. Go figure.
It's a shame the photographer he talked to decided to grass him up. Probably annoyed that he didnt get the shots himself.
I saw his interview on BBC and he said he thought he was wrong to do it. But he was obviously traumatised by the whole experience of the fire and then found an apparently abandoned body outside his front door loosely wrapped in plastic (not body bag) and posted to his FB account asking for identification. He later showed the photo to a journalist who dobbed him to the police. He comes across as a very decent thoughtful guy who was more or less in a daze at the time and my thought were that he should never have been arrested let alone charged or imprisoned. Sometimes the headlines are misleading.
Tasks that come as second nature to most people these days.Total and utter BS. IMO.
He was traumatised but managed to complete a series of intricate and technical tasks. Yeah, right.
You don't see a difference?
Nope, a corpse is a corpse. Having bodies lying around unattended is worth reporting. He didn't run in take a snap and run out. He had plenty of time with the body on his own which means it was just left there. Any commercial photographer would of done the same, but sold it properly and made a story of it.
This guy's only mistake was in the marketing of what he had.
Get it in Time and you're up for an award. Stick it in Facebook and your doing time.
a commercial photographer, and frankly anyone with the slightest shred of decency, certainly would not have opened the body bag.Nope, a corpse is a corpse. Having bodies lying around unattended is worth reporting. He didn't run in take a snap and run out. He had plenty of time with the body on his own which means it was just left there. Any commercial photographer would of done the same, but sold it properly and made a story of it.
This guy's only mistake was in the marketing of what he had.
Get it in Time and you're up for an award. Stick it in Facebook and your doing time.
I could see how there could have been a shock defence here, but what this man did was sick
Tasks that come as second nature to most people these days.
Nope, a corpse is a corpse. Having bodies lying around unattended is worth reporting. He didn't run in take a snap and run out. He had plenty of time with the body on his own which means it was just left there. Any commercial photographer would of done the same, but sold it properly and made a story of it.
This guy's only mistake was in the marketing of what he had.
Get it in Time and you're up for an award. Stick it in Facebook and your doing time.
They dont all get jailed though do they? His action (IMO) whilst incorrect regardless of shock etc should have resulted in no more than a caution for a first offence. I thought the prisons were full to bursting point which is why hardened criminals are being let out early (on licence?).The guys mistake was being a heartless tosser.
IMO of course
The death toll from Grenfell Tower may fall because some of those missing have been invented by fraudsters, the police have revealed.
There are eight people who have either been charged or are under investigation for fraud in relation to the inferno which ripped through the west London fire block.
Whilst some of those claim to have lost their homes to "get benefit" others have claimed to have lost loved ones, police confirmed.
I'd have thought his lawyer should have appealed on the grounds of traumatic shock and questioned why he was in court within 72 hours? Most minor offences take weeks to go to court.
No, it was loosely wrapped in plastic according to his description. And remember that the police regularly appeal for people to take pictures.This corpse was allegedly sealed in a body-bag, which he opened to take pictures and share ... just out of interest how would you feel if that had been you mums body flouted on Facebook?
Not of this type they don't!No, it was loosely wrapped in plastic according to his description. And remember that the police regularly appeal for people to take pictures.
No, it was loosely wrapped in plastic according to his description.
That’s not true, they don’t specify any type. If I found a body in a bag at my front door I would likely photograph it whether wrapped or not, before calling police, I wouldn’t disturb it for evidential reasons. It seems to me (judging by accounts given in interviews and on eg Crimewatch BBC) that most people don’t phone the police even when attacked but phone their family for help. I would guess they also post on their FB page because that is where they “live”.Not of this type they don't!
They dont all get jailed though do they? His action (IMO) whilst incorrect regardless of shock etc should have resulted in no more than a caution for a first offence. I thought the prisons were full to bursting point which is why hardened criminals are being let out early (on licence?).
You have to remember that sentences are given on the basis that (for up to I think 4 year sentence) half will be spent in custody and half will be spent on licence (some may be let out earlier than half way on Home Detention Curfew). If the licence part was abolished, then the majority of sentences would be cut in half. So its not a case that (as Alan put it) "criminals are released early".I thought the prisons were full to bursting point which is why hardened criminals are being let out early (on licence?).
Also a woolly liberal, but a relative is a criminal justice lawyer (defence), and assures me that the vast majority of sentences are apt, despite the media spin.While I don't agree with (or even like) the actions of Omega Mwaikambo; I find the criminal justice system and sentencing in this country is inexplicable - this case (IMO) required a caution, perhaps a community order or at most a suspended sentence. Instead thousands have been wasted - yes in my opinion wasted - in retribution on a man who was in a traumatic situation already. 3 months in prison (he would have spent 6 weeks inside) would have done nothing to allow him to "address his offending" - he will have just sat for 18-20 hours a day in a cell watching TV. I'm sure in terms of addressing what he did; a couple of counselling sessions would have been more effective in preventing a reoccurrence and helping him understand why what he did was wrong.
Yes I'm a wooly liberal ... but short prison sentences have no purpose and no nothing to try to avoid future offending.
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Are the images from the UK or do you think UK laws apply in other parts of the world?Go to Google images and do a search for dead bodies! Seems there are plenty of photographers out there now and in the past that had no issues snapping away.
Are the images from the UK or do you think UK laws apply in other parts of the world?
Are the images from the UK or do you think UK laws apply in other parts of the world?
Fair enough if you think you can prosecute people in other countries, it has been kind of done. The unfortunate or stupid person in this instance took the photo in the UK and published it from within the UK. The "Law and Order" forces could get him.If you are sitting in the UK, how do you get to view the images from elsewhere?
Fair enough if you think you can prosecute people in other countries, it has been kind of done. The unfortunate or stupid person in this instance took the photo in the UK and published it from within the UK.
EDIT. As Gary Laird said it is not about viewing but about taking ... but I would suggest you don't go viewing some current controversial topics just in case ;-)