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But an honest and accurate knob DavidGary.. stop being a knob.
But an honest and accurate knob DavidGary.. stop being a knob.
Erm, Milk.
Pro gear is cheaper now than at any other time I can recall in the last 2 decades.
Can I have a amateur 800mm lens please that will take "good" sports or bird shots ....... or even a nice 400mm f2.8 that will do them trick
My bird shots were really "distant" with my 50mm f1.8 and the images were really crap, even my mother didn't like them ....... some were difficult to identify .... then I bought a 300mm lens and they came nearer and I discovered the bird on the chimney over there wasn't a weather vain ......... they came nearer still when I added a TC20Elll ..................my "crap" bird shots with the 50mm f1.8 ....... suddenly became better ........... I didn't really change
However... pointing out that it will do precisely sod all for their photography is not mocking them Simon.. it's helping them.
No David, consumer/prosumer gear aimed at the masses is cheaper, and thats because they want you to buy cheap to hook you in then hope you get gear snobbery and GAS (as many do) and upgrade to the expensive stuff while all the time you're still taking s*** photos (not you personally)Pro gear is cheaper now than at any other time I can recall in the last 2 decades.
Bodies are always "loss leaders" ....... the prices of pro long Nikon and Canon lenses have increased substantially over the past few years
....You might have good intentions in "helping" amateurs in this way but to claim that camera gear primarily designed for and bought by professionals cannot possibly improve amateurs' photography simply isn't true. I am one of many living examples : My Canon 7D Mark II has already improved my photography as did my 70D over a 100D and if I bought a 1DX it would enable me even further. My Canon 100-400mm L II enables me to reach my potential more easily than either my Canon 400mm or 300mm L primes (now sold to help fund the new zoom).
As I said before (which some here choose to ignore) such 'professional' camera gear does not guarantee better results but it offers more opportunity to grow into higher standards (whilst making some binnable efforts on the way of course!).
No David, consumer/prosumer gear aimed at the masses is cheaper, and thats because they want you to buy cheap to hook you in then hope you get gear snobbery and GAS (as many do) and upgrade to the expensive stuff while all the time you're still taking s*** photos (not you personally)
Dunno why everyone's getting their knickers in a twist here.... you use the correct tools for the job. Obviously if you need a 800mm lens to shoot something far away, then that's what you buy.
I do... but you have to be able to do that and still turn an acceptable profit, and shifting larger volumes of anything, regardless of what it is, allows you to do that.
As I have often said David, as far as I am concerned expensive equipment has made my images better, in that I cannot take some of them without this equipment.
I am probably the same photographer ........ but this equipment has made my images "better" ...... because of the subjects that I am interested in
Equipment does matter (to me)
....Sorry but you are sounding a bit naive. What is "an acceptable profit" is in the vast majority of cases the maximum profit.
The selling of larger volumes of product does, as you rightly say, "allow" retail prices to be dropped but who does that? It's competition which usually influences prices.
Exactly.... without a 800mm lens you CAN'T take the images you do... so you're a poor example here. The type of photography you do is equipment dependent... not skill dependent.
Exactly.... without a 800mm lens you CAN'T take the images you do... so you're a poor example here. The type of photography you do is equipment dependent... not skill dependent.
I can, I can use one of those "bridge" cameras ... I've tried ..... the images are "sh1t" compared with say my 300mm f2.8 VR +TC's
I bought my frst D3S brand new in 2010 for about £2800 if i remember correctly, i bought it along with a Nikon 400mm f/2.8 for £4,600Argue all you like... it IS cheaper.. just been going through receipts and once you factor in inflation, the (equivalent) gear I bought over a decade ago is between 15 and 20% cheaper now.
How exactly has it improved your photography?
I bought my frst D3S brand new in 2010 for about £2800 if i remember correctly, i bought it along with a Nikon 400mm f/2.8 for £4,600
Today the equivilant gear, a D4S costs £,4500 and the 400mm f/2.8 £10,400
Hardly in line with inflation
The camera has risen over 55% and the lens about the same while inflation has gone up no more than 5-10% in the same period
- My bird in-flight images are better exposed, often sharper, and I have increased my hit rate due to more sophisticated autofocus/tracking options. My skills at capturing such images have been improved.
- The combination of a more sophisticated camera body and more advanced latest-state-of-the-art lenses offer me the opportunities to try to improve my skills.
- Now having camera body customisable options again offers me more opportunity to improve my skills.
- Canon L lenses perform better than Canon 'ordinary' lenses.
Most kit is more expensive at launch to account for limited supply/initial demand. 'Twas ever thus.
David, stick the D700 figure of £2000 into the inflation calculator here http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/...tion-calculator-value-money-changed-1900.html select the year, 2009 and it gives you the value in todays terms, it comes out at £2.383 which makes the D810 cheaper by about £100 compared to 6 years ago taking inflation into accountI paid £1275 for Nikkor 24-70 f2.8 in 2009. That's equivalent to £1590 today. Today's retail price for that lens is around 1200.
in 2009 the D700 was a little over £2000 retail. That's £2478 today.... a D810 is around £2200.
A Nikkor 14-24 f2.8 was the same price in pounds in 2009 as it is now. So in 2009 it was the equivalent of £1735
All the gear I'M buying is cheaper (shrug).
I bought my frst D3S brand new in 2010 for about £2800 if i remember correctly, i bought it along with a Nikon 400mm f/2.8 for £4,600
Today the equivilant gear, a D4S costs £,4500 and the 400mm f/2.8 £10,400
Hardly in line with inflation
The camera has risen over 55% and the lens about the same while inflation has gone up no more than 5-10% in the same period
That surely depends on the technology, the market, the tech and wether or not it's pioneering at the time, i paid £700 for a JVC video recorder almost 30 years agoDepends how far back you go, I brought a a Nikon F4s for about 2.5k in the mid 80s.
Its not inflation which is making things more expensive, its manufacturers greed
Isn't it also due to the currency weakening?
Whose currency and compared to whose, the Pound has strengthened 12% against the Yen in the last year alone and the Yen is on a major slide against the Dollar and the Dollar is on a slide against the PoundIsn't it also due to the currency weakening?
Whose currency and compared to whose, the Pound has strengthened 12% against the Yen in the last year alone and the Yen is on a major slide against the Dollar and the Dollar is on a slide against the Pound
Whose currency and compared to whose, the Pound has strengthened 12% against the Yen in the last year alone and the Yen is on a major slide against the Dollar and the Dollar is on a slide against the Pound
All of which can and does only point to Japanese manufacturers keeping prices high
better gear can allow you to take better photos but it doesnt make you a better photographer
....@Pookeyhead David ^^^^ This is what I have been trying to tell you!
I suppose where people get their confidence from is a personal thing. But I've happily shot jobs on gear that the equipment forums tell me is completely unsuitable, it's not restricted my ability in any way. in fact the only restriction I personally feel is caused by my lack of talent.
I suppose where people get their confidence from is a personal thing. But I've happily shot jobs on gear that the equipment forums tell me is completely unsuitable, it's not restricted my ability in any way. in fact the only restriction I personally feel is caused by my lack of talent.