Rumor image of canon mirrorless! Now Officially Released!

Would also explain the 40mm pancake too...
 
Well if that is what gets announced on Monday I'd be hugely disappointed. Competition is good for consumers and it would be nice to see Canon deliver.
They have had years to sit back and watch what everyone else brings to the table with mirrorless solutions and I think a lot of us were expecting great things. This can't be the first headline product they bring out surely, a Nikon V1/J1 type miniture camera? I can see a market for it, but it would be nice to see a proper attempt at something innovative like the Olympus OMD EM5 with an integrated viewfinder. I'm kind of surprised at how much mirrorless stuff sells with no EVF.
 
I understand your points. If they go with an entry level model first, I would expect to see a much more advance model to take on the Om-D (Which would be my top choice if I could afford it.) at photokina. I wonder what the mount will be, as that 22mm looks very similar to the 40mm pancake.
 
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the problem is that they have chosen to go for eos mount. that means there's a limit to how much you can decrease the size of the body (see pentax k-01). so, unless they suprise us in an extremely positive way, it looks like they are going to release a no-VF eos with much worse handling and no significant size decrease :/
 
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iced_jacob said:
the problem is that they have chose to go for eos mount. that means there's a limit to how much you can decrease the size of the body (see pentax k-01). so, unless they suprise us in an extremely positive way, it looks like they are going to release a no-VF eos with much worse handling and no significant size decrease :/
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I thought they have a new mount for it. hence the new 22km lens on the pictures. the sensor on it is a bit smaller then 650d
 
hyeongsoong said:
I thought they have a new mount for it. hence the new 22km lens on the pictures. the sensor on it is a bit smaller then 650d
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That would be a monster lens :puke:

We don't know anything about the sensor, and could only guess provided the pic is not a fake

the mount according to it is EF-M which is not EF following simple logic. It is a new mount that may have compatible comm protocols.

Anyway 650D with a couple primes is already too small
 
Rangefinder format? Check.
No mode dial? Check.
No EVF? Check.
No in-built flash? Check.
APS-C sensor? Check.
Poor selection of lenses? Check.

So.... it's a NEX C3.

The engineers phoned this one in.
 
This is interesting

From 43rumors


"I had the chance to talk with some sources about the new Canon Mirrorless camera. With the launch of the Canon mirrorless we now have a full and final view of the mirrorless system. The sources once again confirmed that Canon has chosen an APS-C sized sensor. Canon didn’t want to give any kind of advantage to Sony. Apparently they fear Sony more than m43!

The sources also told us that the first camera feels a bit cheap in your hands. And according to them it’s not a m43 killer camera. Quite the opposite. The NEX cameras are still better in doing competition to m43 cameras. Overalla Nikon and Canon had a very cautious way of entering the mirrorless world. One more thing: A more advanced Canon (and Nikon) camera will arrive in a few months only.

But that’s just a first impression based on my sources. Let’s see on Monday if the Canon system is something interesting or not. Follow the full news coverage on MirrorlessRumors or CanonWatch!!!"

They fear sony more than m43? Sony have certainly shown they can make pretty good sensors, such as in the nex and the OM-D's sensor as well. This canon is going to have to be good to pull sales away from sony and there nex. I am a little worried about the feeling cheap bit though :(
 
They can beat NEX by making some decent, reasonably priced lenses, especially primes. Releasing their CSC with just two lenses isn't a great start.

For all-round user experience (sensor, lens and body ergonomics) M43 and the OM-D in particular, is the one to beat.
 
Me no likey....
 
looks fine to me, it's obviously an entry level body

I'm just hoping they don't take too long to release a mid range body to compete with the nex 5n and panny g3/g5 as I can see myself switching to that if they price and spec it right.
 
I am a little disappointed that this is an entry level model.

I am keen to switch to smaller kit but would prefer to leverage my investment in Canon kit if I can rather than sell up wholesale.

I was hoping this camera would be a competitor for the OMD-M5 or Panasonic GHx range.

Sounds like any news on that will be later in the year.

Also, if they bring out an adaptor for the DSLR lenses, I think that body will be a bit of a handful and risk dropping the camera due to the lens weight. If you are to mount EOS lenses on a compact, you really need a decent grip like on the GH2.
 
Llamaman said:
They can beat NEX by making some decent, reasonably priced lenses, especially primes. Releasing their CSC with just two lenses isn't a great start.

For all-round user experience (sensor, lens and body ergonomics) M43 and the OM-D in particular, is the one to beat.
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Seems like they already have offering a 35mm equivilent f/2 provided it performs well, surely a much better general use option than Sony and Nikon's f/2.8 24mm and 28mm's.
 
I do not understand the reaction really.

If you have a number of lenses and a more advanced body you now get the chance of a smaller more streamlined camera which can take the place of a compact or take your mind off of investing in another system like the m43s. I wish the K01 was that small and had the hot shoe. I would be all over as it would have provided me with a take everywhere option for my Pentax lenses.

The only thing I do not like is that if it is indeed APS-C it should have a much chunkier grip so you can hold it more securely if you decide to use a zoom lens.
 
I've tried a CSC without a VF and having to use the back screen all of the time just isn't for me.

The rumour sites did say that this first Canon CSC wouldn't be a high end model and that something else would be along later. All I can say is that if something better does come along it'll need to have a VF to get me to read further.
 
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I do not understand the reaction really.

If you have a number of lenses and a more advanced body.
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how would you already have a number of lenses, this camera uses a different mount doesn't it or is there a mount adaptor for EF, EF-S?
 
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I've tried a CSC without a VF and having to use the back screen all of the time just isn't for me.

The rumour sites did say that this first Canon CSC wouldn't be a high end model and that something else would be along later. All I can say is that if something better does come along it'll need to have a VF to get me to read further.
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Agree. I cannot live without a viewfinder but they do seem to add quite a bit of cost which is presumably why the manufacturers are veering away from them to be able to hit a certain price level (combined with fact that presumably we are in the minority?)
 
That camera looks very small, or the lens is very big, either way there doesn't seem much to hold on to, especially with lenses any bigger than that 22mm in the pic. :eek:



clicktor said:
something innovative like the Olympus OMD EM5 with an integrated viewfinder.
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How was the OM-D EM5 innovative? I may have missed something obvious, but ground breaking when I read the reviews. :shrug:
 
ernesto said:
how would you already have a number of lenses, this camera uses a different mount doesn't it or is there a mount adaptor for EF, EF-S?
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Possibly EF and/or EF-S lenses fit directly. So you'd have

full-frame: EF only
crop: EF or EF-S
CSC: EF, EF-S or EF-M
 
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Possibly EF and/or EF-S lenses fit directly. So you'd have

full-frame: EF only
crop: EF or EF-S
CSC: EF, EF-S or EF-M
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I think the body depth points to a requirement for an adaptor to fit EF or EFS lenses. I can't see how the sensor can be as far from the lens throat as on an EOS body.
 
michael23 said:
Very much like the nex 18-55 isnt it. It's starting to grow on me.
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The system as a whole looks like its very much following in the NEX's footsteps to me, ultra small ASPC sensor, lenses look to have a metal finish etc.

Makes sense I spose since Canon probabley don't want to commit to a large system like m43 to replace DSLR use. A NEX like mirrorless with an EF adaptor for more specialist lenses is a good way of making sure anyone who wants to upgrade to a DSLR sticks with them.

The 22mm pancake by itself potentially one ups the NEX at launch though, a small autofocus prime at a focal lenght well suited for general use.
 
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Ok sorry my bad, kinda assumed if it was using the same sized sensor it might be able to take existing lenses without an adaptor. If you need a new array of lenses I do not see why you would choose this over M43.
 
daugirdas said:
I they release this with a small very high quality UWA this could be a nice landscape backup. On tripod LCD is fine, but not otherwise.
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I could live with that... If it is going to an APS-C sensor then a nice 10 or 12mm prime would be marvellous for landscapes! :)

Between that and the 40mm, I'd be covered for most of my photography. :D
 
What appear to be the specs taken from canonwatch

Digicame-info posted what appear to be the real specs of Canon’s mirrorless camera, expected to be announced tomorrow. Looks like the Rebel T4i/650D sensor with its hybrid AF system (auto-focus through phase detection) is featured on the EOS M – good news for all of us that are into video. Hence, it can be assumed to a high degree of certainty that the EOS M will not have the sensor of the [shoplink 1785]PowerShot G1 X[/shoplink]: the EOS M most probably has an APS-C sized 18MP sensor, the same (?) as the [shoplink 5623]Rebel T4i/650D[/shoplink]. The EOS M will come with two Kit lens, the EF-M22mm STM and the EF-M18-55mm IS STM. The remaining specs below.
APS-C CMOS sensor 18 million pixels
- The image processing engine DIGIC5
- Hybrid CMOS AF in combination with phase-contrast
- Video Servo AF, Servo AF, AF touch
- The range is equivalent ISO 25600 ISO100-12800, in the expansion
- To 30 seconds shutter speed is 1/4000, bulb, flash sync is 1/200 sec
- Second continuous shooting speed is 4.3 frames /
- 1.04 million dot LCD monitor 3.0-type wide, touch panel
- The media SD / SDHC / SDXC (corresponding UHS-I)
- Video is 1920×1080 30p/25p/24p, 1280×720 60p/50p, 640×480 30p/25p
Method – video compression MPEG-4 AVC/H.264, audio Linear PCM, MOV format
- Available in over 60 species of EF lens mount adapter EF-EOS M
- Hand-held Twilight mode synthesized by the continuous shooting at a shutter speed four with less camera shake
- HDR mode to synthesize three different exposure
- Multi-shot noise reduction function to reduce the noise by combining the four images
- Creative filters
- The size is x 66.5mm (width) 108.6mm (height) x 32.3mm (depth)
- The weight (body only) 262g, (including battery and memory card) 298g
- Kit lens EF-M22mm STM, EF-M18-55mm IS STM
- Comes with a mount adapter and EF-EOS M 90EX Speedlite kit of some

Comes with a mount adapter, that sounds special!
 
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The EF mount is something I've wanted for a while now. The ability to be able to use my canon lenses on a smaller body is very exciting and opens up lots of possibilities for travel and times when an SLR is too much.
 
vrapan said:
Ok sorry my bad, kinda assumed if it was using the same sized sensor it might be able to take existing lenses without an adaptor. If you need a new array of lenses I do not see why you would choose this over M43.
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It'll take the lenses, the adaptor is just to move the legacy lenses forward. I think it's a good move to go alongside a DSLR. If you buy it with a pancake lens it'll be pocketable then you have the option of a wide range of lenses to use too.
 
if those specs are real then they are definitely aiming for Sony imo more than the others, although a bit odd there for to have a fixed screen :thinking:

and including the adapter right off the bat says they really want to incentivise current canon dslr owners to buy one as a companion camera, good strategy tbh
 
It's looking good but can't help wondering how much better the upmarket version will be and whether to hold out until later in the year !
 
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