Not unavailable (any more than tobacco was unavailable to me at 14 when the legal age to buy it was 16 - I was never asked for ID and could have got an over 16 to buy the fags for me anyway), just harder to get.
There is that to be considered.Maybe saving that 6bn of smoking cost could actually cost a lot more!
ID cards by back door legislation.Yes I seem to recall people laughing when it was suggested we would have to carry papers
Absolutely!Im against this ban, just cause I don't think making any drug illegal actually helps anyone except criminals and countries with a more liberal approach tend to fair better.
As I said above they missed a trick on the age cut of.The NZ ban will work because they are making cigarettes unavailable to people who have never smoked and so (in the main) will not miss it.
As I said above they missed a trick on the age cut of.
I'm sure that 16 year old's are smoking.
but if they set the date at around 2015 then not many if any 6 year old's would be.
Yep my point exactlyIt's a good 'trick' not banning smoking for those who already do but only for those who have not started. Over time the habit will fade away.
From the web.
In 2020/21, tobacco duty tax receipts in the United Kingdom amounted to approximately 9.96 billion British pounds, compared with 9.29 billion pounds in the previous financial year
How much does smoking affect the NHS?
It is estimated that smoking related health issues are costing the NHS approximately £6 billion per year in hospital admissions, GP consultations and prescriptions, as well as any operations or other treatments needed for smoking-related diseases.
In 2020/21, tax receipts from alcohol duties in the United Kingdom amounted to approximately 12.12 billion British pounds, compared with 12.1 billion in the previous year. Wine duties accounted for the highest share of tax receipts, and amounted to 4.59 billion pounds in 2020/21.
How much does alcohol cost the NHS?
The latest figures estimate that alcohol costs the NHS around £3.5 billion each year,
Perhaps I should quit smoking and take up drinking seems less harmful
No, I'm happy to a government to ban smoking because it kills people. If it only killed those who smoked I would not be worried but it kills people who don't smoke. Understand this, I know you do because it has been explained a million times, smoking kills people who do not smoke.
The NZ ban will work because they are making cigarettes unavailable to people who have never smoked and so (in the main) will not miss it.
Totally different level of addiction. Completely different effect and so different reasons for taking them. I genuinely cannot see some shady dealer approaching someone in a club saying wanna drag?So how do you explain people addicted to heroin or cocaine, or any other drug? They have all been illegal for as far as I can remember, and have been unavailable to people who have never taken it. but we still have hundreds of thousands (or maybe millions) who do partake!
Not now it doesn't - smoking is banned other than in private places or outside. If a partner allows the other one to smoke in the house and be affected that is down to them. Unlike my younger days of smoky pubs and offices, people are not likely to be be exposed.
The same Glasgow as this oneUpdate on the data I posted earlier, I said childhood asthma had decreased 18% in one year, it's actually 18% a year for the three years studied.
" A Glasgow University study showed that, before the smoking ban, the number of hospital admissions of children with asthma was increasing on average by five per cent each year in Scotland. In the three years after the ban, admissions decreased 18 per cent per year."
That’s great. All done without banning people from smoking.Oh and measured air pollution in Scottish pubs dropped by 93%
I haven't been subjected to smoke fumes for a very long time, don't find it a problem on the very rare occasion
that I do get a quick trail blowing past.
I just wish they would ban vaping in public, that creates far more smoke and people tend to hang around blocking
pavements causing a total fog of it.
I am an ex smoker and do understand how difficult it can be to not smoke, I have even allowed people to smoke in my]car on long journeys as long as the windows can be open
No Government will ever bring in any legislation to control drink, which I find far worse
Do you realise how utterly childish you're being?That’s great. All done without banning people from smoking
Running out of arguments. Revert to name calling.Do you realise how utterly childish you're being?
Well if that is the case, I think drinkers should step up to the mark, and consume more alcohol, more drink, more tax, cost problems solvedTaking into consideration all the above I think you'd be less of a burden on society by sticking to smoking..
I haven't been subjected to smoke fumes for a very long time, don't find it a problem on the very rare occasion
that I do get a quick trail blowing past.
I just wish they would ban vaping in public, that creates far more smoke and people tend to hang around blocking
pavements causing a total fog of it.
I am an ex smoker and do understand how difficult it can be to not smoke, I have even allowed people to smoke in my]car on long journeys as long as the windows can be open
No Government will ever bring in any legislation to control drink, which I find far worse
Vaping doesn't create 'smoke' in any way, it creates vapour and is completely harmless to passers by. All you're seeing is a cloud of flavored
In short, I agree vapers should be more considerate, but I wouldn't stress over the vapour being harmful, just mildly annoying if they're blowing it across you.
Not everyone who drinks gets behind the wheel of a car, or smacks their wife about. Depending on what legislation that is, it could be the death of many pubs in this country who are struggling even more with Covid.
I do know that, but I don't want to walk through clouds of vapour to get into shops or walk pass on pavement
and more to the point, restricting alcohol would be a bad move for any government, so it will never happen
I think it would be a bad move for most people! How do you think it should be restricted further (not really sure much is possible as I can stock up booze at home!)
You have the choice to move and sit somewhere else.I hate sitting outside in the summer having a beer or even a spot of lunch, and the selfish plonker on the table next to you lights up. Nothing I can do about it, at least my local has a non smoking section outside. Every smoker I've met says "it's about choice", but I don't get to chose when you start lighting up your cancer sticks on the table next to me.
I hate sitting outside in the summer having a beer or even a spot of lunch, and the selfish plonker on the table next to you lights up. Nothing I can do about it, at least my local has a non smoking section outside. Every smoker I've met says "it's about choice", but I don't get to chose when you start lighting up your cancer sticks on the table next to me.
So how do you explain people addicted to heroin or cocaine, or any other drug? They have all been illegal for as far as I can remember, and have been unavailable to people who have never taken it. but we still have hundreds of thousands (or maybe millions) who do partake!
I hate sitting outside in the summer having a beer or even a spot of lunch, and the selfish plonker on the table next to you lights up. Nothing I can do about it, at least my local has a non smoking section outside. Every smoker I've met says "it's about choice", but I don't get to chose when you start lighting up your cancer sticks on the table next to me.
Funny how non smokers banished smokers to the outdoors to smoke in the rain and then complain because the smokers are outdoors in the summer.
That’s because their empty, almost.Oh and measured air pollution in Scottish pubs dropped by 93%
You have the choice to move and sit somewhere else.
Funny how non smokers banished smokers to the outdoors to smoke in the rain and then complain because the smokers are outdoors in the summer.
Smokers choose to smoke and choose to affect everyone else.You have the choice to move and sit somewhere else.
Funny how non smokers banished smokers to the outdoors to smoke in the rain and then complain because the smokers are outdoors in the summer.
And the gobbledygook award of the year goes to...0.4 ohm kanthal coil in the mongrel RDA with squonk pin on top of a Vandy vape pulse 2 squonk mod. Instant fog bank
Surely if you ban the sale there will be no smoking anywhere?its a filthy habit that needs to be banned
we should ban the sale and ban the smoking outside private houses
Oh yes there will. Tobacco addicts will gather in tobacco dens (like crack dens but cleaner) and indulge their disgusting habit. The police will set up tobacco raids wearing full anticontamination gear and the evil-doers will be paraded for the press.Surely if you ban the sale there will be no smoking anywhere?
Or, they could just be told not to do it where they could harm children.
Or, they could just be told not to do it where they could harm children.